[Announcement] Mysterious Chips & Wraith Officer's Badge being removed from DQ Shop

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Sheshka - Raging Tide wrote: »

So, like I said, there is nothing 'wrong' with it other then that fact that it takes time and that's just not for everyone.

It is wrong!! Because rep was already in CS So I hope they put it there again. Every1 should the same chance to get it. But if they will remove it from CS also I would be max. pissed. Why some1 can have chance to get it and some1 not? If reputation would never in CS it would be different.

Sheshka - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

IT IS WRONG!!! Because rep was already in CS So I hope they put it there again. Every1 should the same chance to get it. But if they will remove it from CS also I would be max. pissed. Why some1 can have chance to get it and some1 not? If reputation would never in CS it would be different.

'Everyone' can already get reputation by doing quests. We just don't all have the option to buy it. It would be nice to have the Badges back. I like them. But it's not that big a deal to have to use quests to get rep. Just more time consuming.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Sheshka - Raging Tide wrote: »

'Everyone' can already get reputation by doing quests. We just don't all have the option to buy it. It would be nice to have the Badges back. I like them. But it's not that big a deal to have to use quests to get rep. Just more time consuming.

For me it's is a big deal because I was just saving money to buy it. No I can so I want the chance to buy it, like others had. Rep means very good armor and weapon.

Cocobelle - Sanctuary

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

For me it's is a big deal because I was just saving money to buy it. No I can so I want the chance to buy it, like others had. Rep means very good armor and weapon.

^ This. Questing takes so long especially in higher levels. The costs for mana/pots just doesn't cut it as well as the time.

Apoth/Meditating does not help at all especially if you want to kill things quickly. b:surrender

earniel

yep that's why they have to keep bringing the general summer's sale back
otherwise it wouldn't be fair for the people who have been saving to get the rep equips and for all the new players

Lanova - Dreamweaver

There's still shops selling rep badges around. Not to mention if they wanted to be "fair" they would have never had any of those things in the cash shop.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Lanova - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There's still shops selling rep badges around. Not to mention if they wanted to be "fair" they would have never had any of those things in the cash shop.

I agree, but damage was done already.

Lanova - Dreamweaver

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I agree, but damage was done already.

Pretty sure cutting the wound deeper rather than healing isn't the right attitude to have but that might be just me.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Lanova - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Pretty sure cutting the wound deeper rather than healing isn't the right attitude to have but that might be just me.

The damage is already SOOO high(R9) that would be better to have at least for every1 obtainable R8. Or we will have 1shot players with super-uber gear R8-R9 on 1 hand and lv100 players with crappy gear without change to get cheap R8 to be competitive to other on another hand. "Nice" perspective.

Amystinia - Archosaur

This is how I see it:

It's all very well taking away one way of obtaining rep badges but in order to make it fair, shouldn't they either reduce the amount of rep you need for next rank or increase the amount of rep you get for completing quests?

I'm working towards 200K rep and have just over 100K rep so far. Without the ability to buy rep badges with DQ points, it's going to take me forever to obtain them. I would point out, however, that I do every quest I'm given (in the year I've been playing, I think I've trashed only 2 or 3 quests and that was only because I needed a quest slot free in an FB) and am not looking for a fast fix to get the required rep, just a fair one.

Lanova - Dreamweaver

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The damage is already SOOO high(R9) that would be better to have at least for every1 obtainable R8. Or we will have 1shot players with super-uber gear R8-R9 on 1 hand and lv100 players with crappy gear without change to get cheap R8 to be competitive to other on another hand. "Nice" perspective.

And why would getting R8 be that much of a major difference than Nirv or TT? Never seen anyone with +12 R8 armor.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Lanova - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And why would getting R8 be that much of a major difference than Nirv or TT? Never seen anyone with +12 R8 armor.

It is huge difference R8 Is much cheaper, Chest robe has -6% channeling, ring is awesome and weapon is better than nirvana with always 2sockets. AND R8 is first step to R9 in future.
BTW I never see any1 with nirvana armor +12 also.

glorfel

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

For me it's is a big deal because I was just saving money to buy it. No I can so I want the chance to buy it, like others had. Rep means very good armor and weapon.

Same for me.

They better bring back the general summer's sale or a lot of people will quit.

Lyrond - Heavens Tear

LOLb:chuckle this game is so hilarious, they must have people brainstorming ways of angering the community, its like they are trying to cause at least one new riot a week lmao b:chuckle

prof

Lanova - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And why would getting R8 be that much of a major difference than Nirv or TT? Never seen anyone with +12 R8 armor.

not too many are bright enough to know just how useful that rank 8 top is. and, you're in a pve server. who +12's gear to kill mobs?

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It is huge difference R8 Is much cheaper, Chest robe has -6% channeling, ring is awesome and weapon is better than nirvana with always 2sockets. AND R8 is first step to R9 in future.
BTW I never see any1 with nirvana armor +12 also.

you're blind or ht is slacking severely. nirvana is only bested by rank 9(on certain pieces).

b:bye

tatakairyu

Nirvana beat R8..... for now anyway. Not to mention how much easier it is to get when they have sales anyway.

Lanova - Dreamweaver

prof wrote: »

not too many are bright enough to know just how useful that rank 8 top is. and, you're in a pve server. who +12's gear to kill mobs?

Well the top is the only exception there are other rings available. And as for the refine thing, entire factions granted they do TW frequently its not all they do (also pay attention to wc about nirv squads.)

Not that most of this matters. PWI has been so diluted from what it was originally people can't even see what type of game it was before the Botocalypse. Grinding. Nothing about the essence of the game points to handing out welfare armor/weps to people that don't want to work for it. And if what is being said about the devs being mad at how many people with R9 on PWI is true can't say their feelings are much far off. I don't know I think it looks really bad that its just primarily American based servers having these kind of disputes. Goon glitch, rank sales, orb sales, pack sales and most people root for it and are happy for it... If the roots of a plant aren't watered its going to die. Meh its your money I guess you decide if its really worth it.

Wonder what the new item will be :O

Yalagen - Sanctuary

I recently read an article in a game developer website about MMO economy. It was very interesting and at the end stated that PWI (or at least the Forsaken World game) had the best economy of any F2P MMO out there. This has to do with allowing players who do not have a lot of time to play, but have enough money to buy items in the cash shop, to simply spend the money to buy up their rank gears and get items to help them lvl faster. And if you read the original post carefully it states that they are only getting rid of "some ways" to get rep, which means that they will keep the sales.

I personally don't have a lot of time or money to spend on this game. So I have spent 3 years and about $50 getting one char to lvl 72 with just enough rep to get my R5, and 2 alts to lvl 45-50ish range. When I had the chance I would grind for DQ (normally while doing the 1-man-army quests for 3 rep) and be able to get enough DQ drops for 1k DQ points in about an hour. So I would be able to get anywhere from 28 to 31 rep an hour (with spending 1k DQ on rep badges) And given that with my schedule I was only able to log in for about 4 hours a week I was only getting on average about 100 rep a week...which would mean that I would have to do that for at least 2 or 3 years at that pace to get the rep I needed for R9, not to mention the chips and tokens needed. On top of that every person that I met that was lower lvl than me would end up passing me in lvls in a week or 2, so I never had the chance to help with fbs to gain rep that way.

If rank gear is suppose to be that important in this game then the devs should be working on a way to make it more obtainable, preferably by making the repeatable quests give some more rep or lowering rep cost for rank. I would be happy with 10 rep per quest minimum, at least then I would feel better about setting a goal, and it would stimulate me to spend some money on the game if and when I get the extra cash. I would rather spend money on a game that treats me good than a game that is starting to feel like it will not help the customer unless they are paying.

I have no problem grinding out for everything, in fact I would love it if there was a way to get at least 1 star orbs from quests or npc merch, even if it costs 1 mil coins it would allow the free players to feel appreciated and would probably get more of them to spend at least some money when they have extra.

raccoona

well its time to give pwi a rest the chinese devs want all to pay for everything and will keep ****** peeps till they just kill the game .Its a Shame they are so greedy they have taken all the enjoyment from a game that was fun a few years ago but is just a lame money grab each week .Well i for one say Fu ck China! you will never see another dime from me.Time to go back to ps3 and just buy a game play it and not worry about it.Maybe i can find a game on the internet that isnt developed by slow chinese with absolutely not one creative bone in their collective *****.love you pwi just hate the devs and their lame masters and sad *** sad sack gms and yes men.hope the game dies and goes broke when peeps finally take enough of their sh it.later days

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

This hardly changes anything. Farming nirv/TT and buying gold to buy rep during a sale is much more efficient than using DQ points.

Hell, it's more efficient even without a rep sale.

TolanSky - Heavens Tear

Sheshka - Raging Tide wrote: »

So, like I said, there is nothing 'wrong' with it other then that fact that it takes time and that's just not for everyone.

by years he means somewhere in the ballpark of a decade... for example doing the highest level Reputation Solo Quests repeatedly and starting with a rep of 0 it would take 12 years of non-stop questing for 24 hours a day straight every day and completing those quests each within a single hours time in order to achieve rank 9.

Assuming you add in every single quest aside from the solo job quests that could possibly increase your reputation, then you might cut off a few years (1 to 3), or drop the amount of time you have to spend doing these quests each day from 24 hours per day to maybe 14 hours per day. Though you would still have to spend the time to do the non-Solo Job Quests as well as doing the Solo Job Quests, so not much time is saved either way.

Simply put, relying solely upon the quests to earn you rank 9 is impossibly time consuming and would take longer than anyone has the time to even consider putting into practical effect.

Aowenn - Archosaur

So yet again, pwi **** us over. Some of us were actually trying to work towards their rank gear. What you going to do now? Sell them in boutique? wouldn't surprise me in the slightest

TolanSky - Heavens Tear

Aowenn - Archosaur wrote: »

So yet again, pwi **** us over. Some of us were actually trying to work towards their rank gear. What you going to do now? Sell them in boutique? wouldn't surprise me in the slightest

please note that nothing in the announcement indicates that the cash shop will never be selling Reputation Items, or Mysterious Chips in the future.

What they were cut from was the section of this very website that sells them to people who have been merchanting Dragon Quest Items of level 31 or higher for the purpose of gaining Reward Points.

The Boutique (Cash Shop) is actually where I would wager most people with Rank 9 Gear ended up getting their Reputation Items.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Aowenn - Archosaur wrote: »

So yet again, pwi **** us over. Some of us were actually trying to work towards their rank gear. What you going to do now? Sell them in boutique? wouldn't surprise me in the slightest

Oh look, an uninformed bandwaggoner.
She knows she's supposed to be mad, but she doesn't know why.

Fyi, as Tolan already said, "trying to work towards" your rank gear would take years. Even with DQ points, you're looking at a few years of mindless grinding to get something you could of got from the boutique in 2 minutes.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

"Looks at the untradeable dyes." >.>

"hides in corner silently" .................

jimbillybob46310

I remember a post that said china was verry unhappy at our numbers of r9 player.
Removing ways for NON-CSers to get their rank is another way to give the rich a huge advantage in PWI. Also in was also posted that a GM on LC stated that rep sales and free ways to optain rep were being cut out. IMO this is probably true with china so unhappy about our r9s and the lvl of our refines.
SO once again if you were lucky(rich) enough to get your gear before now, your good.
Its the rest of us that are now screwed. We had less than a snowballs chance in HELL of keeping up before, but now FORGET IT.
IDK about servers other than HT, but the untouchable r9 +10s are now all +12 and PvP and TW are just a joke now.

glorfel

That's why they can't stop the general summer's sales.
Unless they want to kill the game and make most people quit.

Bring back the General summer's sales b:angry

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

Oh look, an uninformed bandwaggoner.
She knows she's supposed to be mad, but she doesn't know why.

Fyi, as Tolan already said, "trying to work towards" your rank gear would take years. Even with DQ points, you're looking at a few years of mindless grinding to get something you could of got from the boutique in 2 minutes.

well its better to know you grinded for it than to just buy a shortcut towards it. In 3 months i farmed 100k rep. And by farm i mean doing fb's. Theres no point to fb's anymore.

Antheroz - Harshlands

well you have said almost everything
adding to the point of "Theres no point to this anymore..."
Almost 100% of the stuff in the game is now a theres no point to it anymore....
Can u guys review what u do in this game?
u go and make quests .... theres no point in that anymore, what for anyways?
u go and do fbs, ... theres no point in that anymore, unless ur own towards ur culti... and that only to be able to get skills
u go and join a faction, theres no point in that anymore ....
u go and do events, and really theres no point in that anymore, boutique killed all events, the prizes and/or rewards are laughable
u go and do errr, what, tw? theres no point in that anymore, a lot of 103 to 105 r9 +12, unless ur one of them, (And Im not) ur dead
u go and do.... what? PvP? same reasoning as previous point ....
u need to get rep? u have to buy it, or ull spend ur life playing this game
u need to get rank gear? u have to buy it, same .... as before
u need to lvl? go do the fc g...., no1 does a different stuff anymore
u need to get online to chat with friends and try a good time? hell u can do that here, but u also have a lot of different options...
u like this game? well, u can stick a while here like me, but liking this game wont stop it from dying anyways ....

and please, I lol at this "Chinese people mad about the amount of R9s and refine level in our version"
hell as if taking items away from DQ rewards could possibly stop that, they get it from boutique, not from DQ
so Im guessing to level things out, they will introduce a higher rank, recasts for actual ranks, or even maybe open the higher levels now, they just saw a lot of people already reached to lvl cap.... to just give more oportunities to the ones that already are at the top
anyways, I lol at all of this, it will be fun to see them try to fix the mess they caused, (And that I know they cant possibly fix) but I also bet they will cause a greater one ... b:chuckle
......ijs b:sweat

TolanSky - Heavens Tear

just to expound, based on what I understand, didn't the American Team lose to the Chinese Team in the PWIC Tournament, despite the fact that the majority of the Chinese Team did not have rank 9 Gear, and the American Team did? Doesn't this sort of imply that just because one has rank 9 Gear does not mean that they are uber elite individuals capable of beating people who actually know how to play their classes?