100 build comparison -Simple straight up opinion

FiveAps - Dreamweaver

Hi guys,

Here's my dilemma: at 100 I will start farming stuff. What exactly? dunno, depends what I can do. Fc for one, Nirv if I find any squads, TT in duo with a cleric...I'm gonna try everything.

So, here are the 2 builds what I called DAY1 builds when I reach 100 (hopefully before week-end):

3.33 aps http://pwcalc.com/a498e2e2f5ec7d33

2.8 aps http://pwcalc.com/0131db51400f58c1

yes, with the exception of TT99 necklace I have all the gear in the builds


what would be your choice if you'd be in my shoes?

keep in mind, I have orbs saved to +10 the wep, I just don't wanna go blindly in doing it for R8 (which was my original plan). Taking the 2.8 aps build to 4 aps with nirv daggs looks more smexy.

shoot your opinions and reasoning backing them up!

Pytharia - Lost City

I'd go with Build 1. But you mentioned you have all that gear except the TT necklace. You will definitely end up getting it for max DPS. But if you're in a situation when you need better defence switch to the cube/warsong if you already have it.

Also don't +10 your R8 daggers if you plan on getting better ones any time in the near future. I'd +10 them if you won't get new daggers for another few months. With the orb sale It's really cheap to get +12 now.

Okeano - Harshlands

If you are getting those in build 2 just for phy def, you might as well use the money saved from buying cube and warsong belt to refine up the Lionhearts more. You'll heal for 16.5% more and that should be a fair trade off for the lost of max HP from not having a cube.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

ok, let me say it again:
I have all the gear in the builds already, except the TT99 neck and obviously the rank8 parts because I'm not 100 yet.
I do not save anything by not buying sh]t and I don't want to sell anything bc I have a few alts enjoying the benefits of that gear.

Yes, TT99 makes sense in the event of getting G13 - that way I'm going to be 5 aps.
First priority for me is to get that g13... is it worth to get the TT99 now and go up to 3.33 or I'll be better of with more survival but less dps putting those 20 mil towards buying raps and just jump from 2.8 to 5 once I get the G13?

valid argument from Pytharia, if I have the neck I can change based on circumstance...

Pytharia - Lost City

If you plan on farming I would suggest you get TT99 necklace for better DPS and you always have the cube necklace for a little better survivability if you ever need it. If you don't farm your gear, or farm the cash/nirvana for your gear then it's up to you if you want to get the daggers first.

Also I should add make sure you're sure you want G13 daggers before you get them, I'm not saying it's bad, just know your options, but I'm sure you know that already.

Okeano - Harshlands

Right... somehow I missed the bright red text.

You aren't losing too much phy def, so your trade off is more self healing vs more max HP. Phy damage comes in constant dps, so your less phy resistance should be made up by more self healing. Having the phy cube neck give you a bit more buffer to spike damage, but overall doesn't really help a whole lot. For more survivability against spike magical damage from bosses in TTs, you'll need to look at magical ornaments anyways.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

1. Get Nirvana leggings
2. Sell the tome
3. Buy G13 Nirvana
4. Have 5 aps

There you go.

And wtf is up with the Rank 8 boots?

There's really no need to ask the same things over and over again.

If you don't need the appeal of 3.33+ APS to get into Nirvana squads, then you can pretty much do whatever. If you do need it, then you prioritize getting there in the cheapest possible way.

Faarimal - Lost City

um based on those 2 options i would go for the 2nd one but switch the psy belt for a mag one for pk, unless u dont pk in which case keep both psy orns, but other wise u need the NV legs and g13 daggs.

another option u COULD do but would cost more money but is alot better, would be too

1) get the NV LA hat

2)the NV legs

3) NV daggs

now heres the nice part 4) get the LUNAR NV wrists and feet..so now u get +10 attack lv from the nv set bonuses

along with this keep the cube/warsoul orns, but dropping u to 4 aps, but now u have much more survivability and nice gear

i know this was much more than what u were looking for but my 2 cents

ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver

here's what I would do. sell the love tome, get a pan gu, use the extra 180 mil to get TT99 neck and boots, and 2nd cast those legs.

ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver

And dont listen to these kids, unless g13 is endgame to you, keep r8. If you plan on going r9 then don't bother with g13.

Razorburn - Dreamweaver

Just +12 your weapon....win

Okeano - Harshlands

For what it's worth, the 31 attack on the Lionheart necklace adds to your weapon damage, so it's multiplied by 5 times when you demon spark. On my BM it adds 270 more damage during spark. 155 of that is 500% of 31 added by spark, 115 is the 31 multiplied by my STR, (1+292/150+.75)*31, added to my base damage. As a Sin, you probably gain 300 damage total from the necklace when you triple spark.

Empu - Sanctuary

What is the idea behind ashura wrists + leggings and r8 boots?

Besides that, I'd go for the lionheart build, the hp/def added by warsong/cube is not really enough to make a real difference imo. At least, not at the refines and aps in the builds presented

FiveAps - Dreamweaver

well, lets go through this exercise again:
I have the gear in the builds above. I don't have to buy anything and for sure I don't want to sell anything, especially the tome, as I said before I'm using this gear on a couple of diff chars.
Anyway, since yesterday evening the topic is obsolete, I sold my BMs deicide and I easily have enough coins now to buy the raps for G13. That will take me to 5 aps without anything else.

what's the problem with R8 boots? better than the 3* i have right now, cost 1 mil, bring some decent stats and I can keep them until I cast the pants and switch them for TT99 to get back the interval bonus. Where's the problem in that?

and please, when ppl are asking for something, try to give the advice they ask for. I specified in the first post, the builds were DAY1 of 100 (which will be tonight if all is good). Of course, I'm not effing dumb not to think at 2nd cast pants or other nirv combos for set bonuses (cape, hat, etc). Some of you tried to help and I thank you for that. Some , as always, just trolling with copy/paste: get that, that , refine that. Then you ask why all these topics again? ... well, maybe because you're responding to something the OP didn't ask, did that ever crossed your mind?

Thanks again for help (in all honesty some posts did help) and see you guys around.

gl hf gg

Empu - Sanctuary

Well, maybe ppl trying to tell you too look a bet better into r8 boots, cause they are NOT 1mil, ijs.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/21031

Idk why even bother, since you just want to know which build others would prefer.

FiveAps - Dreamweaver

ok, not 1 mil, the boots are 4 mil.
still a good replacement of TT99 until I really need them/really would help with the build. yup, 4 mil dropped into a dead end gear, true, but for a while they will serve me well. Is it worth it? for me, yeah, if you wanna pick your nose about it then no, sure, they're not worth it. Ppl drop more in TT80 gold gear or even worse TT90 gold. Why? because in some cases it's worth it. Not a general consensus? who cares. For that person the investment is ok and he has better stats asap.

Empu - Sanctuary

Well, ashura boots + wrists with r8 leggings is cheaper. If you got any other reason for your setup with the r8 boots, sure. I just think it's strange and wondered why...

FiveAps - Dreamweaver

I know it might be cheaper to get boots+sleeves.
But I already have the sleeves and pants from my BM. Would make any sense in this world to get boots before recasting pants? for what? farming 250 uncannies will take a while, during that time I'll get 1 crit 7 dex and 8 vit from r8(if I remember the stats correctly). All that for 4 mil. TT99 boots are just 20 mil the gold mats.
That's what I've said about x times to far, I have all the gear in those two builds already, except the R8 part. It's not a matter of getting any of that gear and wasn't ever.
This is why I also said that ppl give advice without listening what type of advice is asked. If you go to doctor with a flu and terrible headache would you like instead to get a x-ray of your foot cause you look like limping a bit?
I fail to see why ppl ignore even parts that I highlighted in red in my posts. Maybe ppl are just posting for the count...dunno really.

Empu - Sanctuary

Lolz at that reaction.

I gave you my opinion on which build, without modifications. But I thought it was a good thing to get your attention to the boots, cause it's a strange choice and at least 99% of the sins, including you appearantly, have no idea about the wedding candy part. Is it that bad to put something to someones attention, cause it might be a misjudgement? To get to your doctors example, the doctor should ask why you are limping. That's all I did about the boots, ask if put them with a reason or just cause you picked any random 95+ light footwear. Seems there is a reason too it, so I'll shut up and not give a, imo just as good but cheaper, option you also have.

Gl getting to 100.