So, FC glitch fixed..

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  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    so effectively the best mob is nurffed because of a glitch you guys have failed to fix? Why don't you just forget about, if the dragoons are no longer worth doing then they glitch doesn't "help" anyone anymore, be what exactly is going to be done about the 200+ 105s we have now? Or are we all SOL? I'm sure they're not going to be punished in a manner sufficient of the exploiting they did.

    In regards to the mobs, this was the solution the developers decided on. As for the exploiters, we're working on it.
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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    BaldwinBoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Goonies left the woods to go to SP as they have nothing else left to do now.

    exactly, they're the ones PKing my alts I'm trying to work on..
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  • Lanova - Dreamweaver
    Lanova - Dreamweaver Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    In regards to the mobs, this was the solution the developers decided on. As for the exploiters, we're working on it.

    Permaban them all to hell! There's nothing right about what they're doing.
  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    then why didn't the devs change the ones that ONLY styren spawns? I mean there are FIFTEEN of them to work with..
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  • Lulznotwar - Lost City
    Lulznotwar - Lost City Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    In regards to the mobs, this was the solution the developers decided on. As for the exploiters, we're working on it.

    the developers decided to make the second half of frost useless? Bloody brilliant. Rather than fixing the bug in the first place, they just nerf exp given from the mobs full stop. Great way to fix an exploit PWE Devs, your laziness and lack of ability to fix your own damn code astounds me
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  • Elstraya - Heavens Tear
    Elstraya - Heavens Tear Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    I don't get why people say there is no easy way to detect the players who abused this glitch. I am sure it is technically possible and would be good to see something done about it...otherwise next time a glitch comes up people will just abuse that one too knowing there will be no repercussions.

    Our EXP along with other data about players is recorded in a relational database (MySQL I think) and they back this database up. So you look at a backup taken before this glitch became popular and compare with players current EXP levels. Any player who had a *massive* jump in EXP in that time period must have been abusing this glitch or a similar one. I am a software developer myself and work with databases day in and day out...if I had access to their data then identifying the cheaters would be a simple task. Wouldn't even need someone who can write code, just a database guy.
  • Nniotora - Lost City
    Nniotora - Lost City Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    b:cry no1 noticed my sarcastic post

    i known ppl that made 20% a day with gv glitch as 101 i kinda dont understand completely why this is a big issue but meh i guess we will see how it goes 2% a day as 104 is kinda slow but rewarding for 10 hours in frost
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  • BaldwinBoy - Dreamweaver
    BaldwinBoy - Dreamweaver Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Much as I'm against glitching so any progress on this is good - perhaps people need to stop living in FC anyway - sad that this game has become about 3 instances:

    FC - Levelling

    Nirvana - Farming once you have levelled in FC

    SP - Pking once you have glitched to 105 in FC and are bored
  • paradox990
    paradox990 Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    To be honest, I don't think people who actually used this glitch to level up should be banned, because it's not their fault, if the instance has some bug, and I'd say as long as it's not fixed, it's only fair to use.
    As for the ones who got money from that, i mean, the ones selling it, those, in my opinion, should be punished.
  • paradox990
    paradox990 Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »
    b:cry no1 noticed my sarcastic post

    i known ppl that made 20% a day with gv glitch as 101 i kinda dont understand completely why this is a big issue but meh i guess we will see how it goes 2% a day as 104 is kinda slow but rewarding for 10 hours in frost

    20% a day? XD
    It gives you an entire level within 1 hour, as I heard of, and comproved, not by myself tho.
  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    paradox990 wrote: »
    To be honest, I don't think people who actually used this glitch to level up should be banned, because it's not their fault, if the instance has some bug, and I'd say as long as it's not fixed, it's only fair to use.
    As for the ones who got money from that, i mean, the ones selling it, those, in my opinion, should be punished.


    Exploiting a glitch is a violation of the ToS under User Conduct:

    (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players



    It takes a very specific method to get this particular glitch to work, so the players who engaged in it knew exactly what they were doing.
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  • Nniotora - Lost City
    Nniotora - Lost City Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    paradox990 wrote: »
    20% a day? XD
    It gives you an entire level within 1 hour, as I heard of, and comproved, not by myself tho.

    thats frost i was talking about gv gv cant be completed in 1 hour even glitched it takes 90min minimum as its like 2.5mil exp in 90min
    PS frankie gimme rank9 for Eg after they toke mine away b:cry
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  • Zylor - Harshlands
    Zylor - Harshlands Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Exploiting a glitch is a violation of the ToS under User Conduct:

    (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players



    It takes a very specific method to get this particular glitch to work, so the players who engaged in it knew exactly what they were doing.


    Your right, and I guess that does make sense, but in your opinion, should the ones who got money from it, be punished?
    It's selling a "glitch".
  • BaldwinBoy - Dreamweaver
    BaldwinBoy - Dreamweaver Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    paradox990 wrote: »
    To be honest, I don't think people who actually used this glitch to level up should be banned, because it's not their fault, if the instance has some bug, and I'd say as long as it's not fixed, it's only fair to use.As for the ones who got money from that, i mean, the ones selling it, those, in my opinion, should be punished.


    Let's rephrase this a little:

    To be honest, I don't think burglars who enter and steal from an unlocked house should be sent to jail, because its not their fault, if the house is unlocked, and I'd say as long as it's left open, its only fair to use.

    sigh
  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Zylor - Harshlands wrote: »
    Your right, and I guess that does make sense, but in your opinion, should the ones who got money from it, be punished?
    It's selling a "glitch".



    If they took part in glitching the mob, then they violated the ToS and should face consequences for doing so.
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  • Mitachi - Dreamweaver
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    In regards to the mobs, this was the solution the developers decided on. As for the exploiters, we're working on it.

    How do you plan on finding the people who exploited it?

    LOL BB, and oh my BB you've become a forum troll, look at that post countb:shocked
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  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    How do you plan on finding the people who exploited it?

    LOL BB, and oh my BB you've become a forum troll, look at that post countb:shocked



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  • Zylor - Harshlands
    Zylor - Harshlands Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    BaldwinBoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Let's rephrase this a little:

    To be honest, I don't think burglars who enter and steal from an unlocked house should be sent to jail, because its not their fault, if the house is unlocked, and I'd say as long as it's left open, its only fair to use.

    Well, true, but what I actually "tried" to mean, was, shouldn't the ones who actually "sold it" be punished?
    I mean, it's a even worse infraction.

    And about what you said, using a glitch cannot be compared to stealing an house, and as far as I know, 80% of the server, at least Harshlands, did it, it doesn't seem reasonable banning over half the server.

    And to be honest, even tho i believe Developers and Administration has to decide what to do and such, they let it be for a while.
    It has been done for at least 2 months now, or even more. It was just not public, but I do know a few players who did it 2 months ago, or 3, i don't remember exactly >.<
  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Exploiting a glitch is a violation of the ToS under User Conduct:

    (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players



    It takes a very specific method to get this particular glitch to work, so the players who engaged in it knew exactly what they were doing.
    plenty of glitches the game has that takes unfair advantage over players. and the aforementioned glitch is so known that here's no "unfair advantage" other than how much money you have/who you know (but the same can be said for Rank9, pack items, etc. I'm not getting into that argument). I don't know how many Nixs I see glitching Gouf. Nix it itself glitches a BUNCH, and it has bugs that are unfair to other players, but I don't see those being fixed either.
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  • Mitachi - Dreamweaver
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Swiftly, and in the dark of night.

    frankie's trolling me toob:cry

    Lets say someone used it once?(got like 30% for example) will there punishment be just as bad as the others that abused it to its fullest?
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  • Zylor - Harshlands
    Zylor - Harshlands Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    If they took part in glitching the mob, then they violated the ToS and should face consequences for doing so.

    Ok, fair enough, but to be honest, 80%, if not more, of the server used that glitch, so, alltho it's possible, i cannot imagine more then half server being banned, even if not permanent.
  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    frankie's trolling me toob:cry

    Lets say someone used it once?(got like 30% for example) will there punishment be just as bad as the others that abused it to its fullest?


    It wouldn't.
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  • SkogDyr - Lost City
    SkogDyr - Lost City Posts: 561 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Well now...

    The devs might want to take care about nerfing exp in frost. If they squash the exp too much, Frost will die mighty quick. Oh heck, might as well move the everybody PVP into that dead cave. It will be the only reason to go there if you nerf the exp too much.

    I can't see the goonies getting any punishment. All those people who spend tons of money? Ever hear of don't bite the hand that feeds ya? Let's say they can prove 500 ppl gooned some lvls. That's 500 (mostly cashshoppers) that will ragequit if they get punished. Many heavy CSers spend $1000 a month... (going on knowledge from personal interactions) If PWE decided to slap them with a lvl nerf or long ban, that's $500k a month gone. That's not gonna happen.

    And don't you find it strange that our home-grown PW team, the ones that control prices and sales in-game, pushed rep, medals, hypers, and raised the CS price of charms when the goon-swoon became general knowledge? To us "thinking-folk", it seems like PWE decided to milk this cash cow for all it was worth. Bravo marketing department!!! You win the MMORPG Award for best sucking the funds out of your players Award.

    Shall we review?
    GV glitch + hypers + charms = cash (but then tomes became too cheap and easy so... NERF IT)
    Goon glitch + hypers + charms +r9 = cash (but then endgame 105's aren't spending more money so... NERF IT)

    NV + APS + charms = cash (but.... any bets what's coming down the road kids?)

    I do not blame the mods...
    I do not blame the GM (except for poor communication)
    However, I do blame PWE's Marketing Department and those who answer to the head cheeser.

    Bravo PWE!
    But, now that your player base knows of this....

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  • Zylor - Harshlands
    Zylor - Harshlands Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    So will players be punished based on the time they spent doing it / experience won?
  • Kremia - Lost City
    Kremia - Lost City Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Swiftly, and in the dark of night.

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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    It wouldn't.

    Did they nerf all goonz in FC or did they switch it to a new goon just for that boss? If they nerfed the mob that's also at the end then I'm sorry frankie but i'd start to worry about job security. b:cry
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  • Zylor - Harshlands
    Zylor - Harshlands Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Did they nerf all goonz in FC or did they switch it to a new goon just for that boss? If they nerfed the mob that's also at the end then I'm sorry frankie but i'd start to worry about job security. b:cry

    They probably created another exact mosnter, but with a diferent ID, to replace the one taht spawns for the "task/event" at the boss you can glitch at.
  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Swiftly, and in the dark of night.
    let's hope..
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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Zylor - Harshlands wrote: »
    They probably created another exact mosnter, but with a diferent ID, to replace the one taht spawns for the "task/event" at the boss you can glitch at.
    15902 Glacix Dragoon	Y	89	Wood, weak Metal	125860	1609	331
15911 Glacix Dragoon	Y	89	Wood, weak Metal	524415	4470	920
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	125860	1609	331
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	125860	1609	331
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	125860	1609	331
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	125860	1609	331
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	125860	1609	331
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	524415	4470	920
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	524415	4470	920
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	524415	4470	920
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	524415	4470	920
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	524415	4470	920
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	524415	4470	920
Glacix Dragoon	-	89	Wood, weak Metal	125860	1609	331
Glacix Dragoon	-	88	Water, weak Earth	251720	10648	2195

    etc etc.. there's 15 of them with different IDs, but only THEY can check what mobs are spawning in the instance against Styren. I think WE can use tools to check Styren, but we can't check frost itself
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  • LiquidAcid - Lost City
    LiquidAcid - Lost City Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    It's a give an take situation for the GM's, lets be honest it would be hard to remove the glitch for the plain reason that the only class that will 105 regardless would sins. Why, because of stealth. Even in dungeons such as Sea of Torment any squad can do it wined in an hour. Any sin that can stealth can solo it 25 minutes unwined. Also, the people that have exploited FFC are people that will reach 101 and will want to purchase Rank9 for their chars. Why remove something that will give you large of amounts of income. I'm not saying that abusing this is good but what people need to realize is that the only whay this game still stays alive is because some people pay to get ahead. Maybe if stead of complaining that people are abusing this look at it that people found something entertaining to do since there is much in game to do. Before anyone starts saying, "oh, this guys 102 he abused FFC." TBH I found about that when I was 101 and at 90% from doing regular frost, mq's and dailies. Just give frankey a break and enjoy the game, I'm sure they will sort things out later.
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