Just Funny Comparison..How they see assasins touchest class.

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

Toughest class*

Check those people that EXIST now in the game.

http://pwcalc.com/e338013f1e075038 Psy <-- 162 def lvl .takes 2K/hit sparked r9 sin zerk damage .1K not zerk /hit .

http://pwcalc.com/38b101dcf687b39c Cleric

http://pwcalc.com/16af7afe44d997c8 Barbarian 32K HP <-- charm this guy show me if possible to kill . TAKES 2K/ hit damage (ZERK) from sparked r9 Sin.

http://pwcalc.com/6967ddc1b6ac5175 assasin ( max ever can get with def lvls )
http://pwcalc.com/5666c2e3d36cad4b assasin with r9 daggers .

Jeremied - Sanctuary

b:dirty That cleric.

StormHydra - Sanctuary

You forgot to factor in HP gained from bloodpaint, which is not ignorable.

And their natural defense skills like stuns/stealth.

Control skills like stun lock contribute more to their survivability than anything else.

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »

You forgot to factor in HP gained from bloodpaint, which is not ignorable.

And their natural defense skills like stuns/stealth.

demon r9 sin hitting 2K max damage on that barbarian that now exists in the game.

2K x0.02 recover hp = 200 hp recovering per sec . This is the BP scaring u .

Decus - Dreamweaver

The issue surrounding assassins being OP'ed is in their ability to evade control skills and their ability to use every one of them as well as stealth mechanics in general.

Longknife - Harshlands

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Toughest class*

Check those people that EXIST now in the game.

http://pwcalc.com/e338013f1e075038 Psy <-- 162 def lvl .takes 2K/hit sparked r9 sin zerk damage .1K not zerk /hit .

http://pwcalc.com/38b101dcf687b39c Cleric

http://pwcalc.com/16af7afe44d997c8 Barbarian 32K HP <-- charm this guy show me if possible to kill . TAKES 2K/ hit damage (ZERK) from sparked r9 Sin.

http://pwcalc.com/6967ddc1b6ac5175 assasin ( max ever can get with def lvls )
http://pwcalc.com/5666c2e3d36cad4b assasin with r9 daggers .

Can we just start off by pointing out that you're showing the two classes that SHOULD BE ABLE TO TO KILL A SIN BECAUSE IT'D BE MASSIVE BULL**** IF THEY COULDN'T?


There we go. Now we can move on to all the ways a sin could kill everything and/or prevent itself from dying to anything. b:pleased

truekossy

Way to play with pwcalc while semi-clueless. Also love how all the other builds are +12 JoSD R9s while the sins are... mismatched gear/armor/weapon


Here, try http://pwcalc.com/470ce3bca5eb33a7 combined with every control skill in the game, ability to avoid control skills from everyone else or make your attacks deal 1 damage at the worst possible times for you, a portable safe zone, always getting the initial attack with the ability to prepare for it leisurely, and being immune to 1-shots.


Assassins are broken in 1v1s because of the combination of all this. Things that SHOULD be able to kill them wind up not being able to due to their mass overcompensation by the devs. In mass PvP, on the other hand, Assassins are ****.

HardToThink - Lost City

Tidal protection. Bbye now, pvp more thanks.

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

truekossy wrote: »

Way to play with pwcalc while semi-clueless. Also love how all the other builds are +12 JoSD R9s while the sins are... mismatched gear/armor/weapon


Here, try http://pwcalc.com/470ce3bca5eb33a7 combined with every control skill in the game, ability to avoid control skills from everyone else or make your attacks deal 1 damage at the worst possible times for you, a portable safe zone, always getting the initial attack with the ability to prepare for it leisurely, and being immune to 1-shots.


Assassins are broken in 1v1s because of the combination of all this. Things that SHOULD be able to kill them wind up not being able to due to their mass overcompensation by the devs. In mass PvP, on the other hand, Assassins are ****.

No ofc i used cleric , barbarian , bm buffs ... which that OP barbarian dont need to buff them again , till 30minutes more . Cause he will not DIE .

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

truekossy wrote: »

Way to play with pwcalc while semi-clueless. Also love how all the other builds are +12 JoSD R9s while the sins are... mismatched gear/armor/weapon


Here, try http://pwcalc.com/470ce3bca5eb33a7 combined with every control skill in the game, ability to avoid control skills from everyone else or make your attacks deal 1 damage at the worst possible times for you, a portable safe zone, always getting the initial attack with the ability to prepare for it leisurely, and being immune to 1-shots.


Assassins are broken in 1v1s because of the combination of all this. Things that SHOULD be able to kill them wind up not being able to due to their mass overcompensation by the devs. In mass PvP, on the other hand, Assassins are ****.

More thing ur calculator made with atk lvls ... added nothing to the fact .. 32 atk lvls more
on a barbarian 89% reduce physical damage taken , with 90 def lvl . Is nothing .

HardToThink - Lost City

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

No ofc i used cleric , barbarian , bm buffs ... which that OP barbarian dont need to buff them again , till 30minutes more . Cause he will not DIE .

badazz has that same build and in tw he gets topple'd faster than a domino. b:flower

*except he has 40ishk hp*

Teiw - Sanctuary

to SweetHeart_

If you can come onto Sanctuary and buy rank 8/9, +10 refined weapon for my veno, cleric, or barb... Then I promise I'll stay in PK mode for a week and kill every sin I could possibly find. b:dirty


Heck, get me that gear and I'll take any of those examples you made on o3o.

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »

badazz has that same build and in tw he gets topple'd faster than a domino. b:flower

*except he has 40ishk hp*

LOL really .. maybe cause u talking about many mages r9 's hitting him ..
not physical damage assasin ..

truekossy

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

More thing ur calculator made with atk lvls ... added nothing to the fact .. 32 atk lvls more
on a barbarian 89% reduce physical damage taken , with 90 def lvl . Is nothing .

You're a noob, don't know how to play, or simply don't understand how this game works. That sin will deal about 5.4k damage per second to the barb you built. That's about 7 seconds to take the barb from full HP to 0 if it's uncharmed or 11 seconds if the charm ticks... without counting potential debuffs, crits, GoF procs, or wolf emblem.


Speaking of which, the barb you linked is horrible and just shows you're clueless. You stupidly went for a pure str build for damage, yet you have no dex so your accuracy is **** and you'll be missing all the time or nerfing your damage (the whole point of that much str) due to lack of garnets in the weapon. On top of that, had you been arguing survivability, you could have gone for a vit build and had a bit over 40k HP without much hassle, among other slight changes that I don't feel like explaining but will be obvious to others here who know how to play well and how to build a character.

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

truekossy wrote: »

You're a noob, don't know how to play, or simply don't understand how this game works. That sin will deal about 5.4k damage per second to the barb you built. That's about 7 seconds to take the barb from full HP to 0 if it's uncharmed or 11 seconds if the charm ticks... without counting potential debuffs, crits, GoF procs, or wolf emblem.


Speaking of which, the barb you linked is horrible and just shows you're clueless. You stupidly went for a pure str build for damage, yet you have no dex so your accuracy is **** and you'll be missing all the time or nerfing your damage (the whole point of that much str) due to lack of garnets in the weapon. On top of that, had you been arguing survivability, you could have gone for a vit build and had a bit over 40k HP without much hassle, among other slight changes that I don't feel like explaining but will be obvious to others here who know how to play well and how to build a character.

Fool noob stupid , the damage i said is 100% true .
this is the damage taht sin will do ..
+ i dont give a *** how the stats would be better .
its all about phy resist 89% and 90 def lvls which makes him unbeatable .

a cleric with that def lvl took 3.5K from sparked zerk criticaled hit Max .u want to teach me wht a barbarian with 32K phy def will take ..
shut up for God sake . u KNOW NOTHING.

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

truekossy wrote: »

You're a noob, don't know how to play, or simply don't understand how this game works. That sin will deal about 5.4k damage per second to the barb you built. That's about 7 seconds to take the barb from full HP to 0 if it's uncharmed or 11 seconds if the charm ticks... without counting potential debuffs, crits, GoF procs, or wolf emblem.


Speaking of which, the barb you linked is horrible and just shows you're clueless. You stupidly went for a pure str build for damage, yet you have no dex so your accuracy is **** and you'll be missing all the time or nerfing your damage (the whole point of that much str) due to lack of garnets in the weapon. On top of that, had you been arguing survivability, you could have gone for a vit build and had a bit over 40k HP without much hassle, among other slight changes that I don't feel like explaining but will be obvious to others here who know how to play well and how to build a character.

+ u want a barbarian to stand 11 sec making nothing ?
Invote works under emoblization . 90% reduce damage taken .

more ? ○Roar : Demon version returns 100% physical damage taken to the attacker
for 10 seconds.

more ? genie skills AD 6 sec , Expel 8 sec .

more ? IG

with a pool of 32K hp and Charm .. GTFO .

HardToThink - Lost City

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

+ u want a barbarian to stand 11 sec making nothing ?
Invote works under emoblization . 90% reduce damage taken .

more ? ○Roar : Demon version returns 100% physical damage taken to the attacker
for 10 seconds.

more ? genie skills AD 6 sec , Expel 8 sec .

more ? IG

with a pool of 32K hp and Charm .. GTFO .

tidal,protection

truekossy

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Fool noob stupid , the damage i said is 100% true .
this is the damage taht sin will do ..
+ i dont give a *** how the stats would be better .
its all about phy resist 89% and 90 def lvls which makes him unbeatable .

a cleric with that def lvl took 3.5K from sparked zerk criticaled hit Max .u want to teach me wht a barbarian with 32K phy def will take ..
shut up for God sake . u KNOW NOTHING.

Mmkays, dumb troll, since you know so much, here's a challenge for ya.

Go ahead and calculate the raw DPS of the sin I linked. Done? Now divide that by four to represent PvP damage reduction. Finished that? Now subtract 89$ of that value to represent that Barb's phys defense. Now post the results. Oh wait, you're too stupid to do any of that or you'd have already realized my above post was true. Oh and if a cleric with that defense level takes 3.5k damage from a serk crit, imagine that cleric taking that same damage... oh... say... FOUR TIMES A SECOND. That's 14k damage in a second in case you're too stupid to do the math. That's enough to take out that cleric VERY quickly and the time I gave doesn't even consider serks, crits, wolf emblem (which increases crit damage) or potential p.def debuffs.

Oh and the fact that your barb has so many areas it can be improved? Pretty much annihilates any credibility you have in this thread.


Funny how the noob who doesn't even have a SINGLE character above level 60 can claim someone else with vastly more experience and knowledge in every way doesn't know anything. Seriously, go learn how the game works before making yourself look like an even bigger moron. Stupid dumbass.

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

truekossy wrote: »

Mmkays, dumb troll, since you know so much, here's a challenge for ya.

Go ahead and calculate the raw DPS of the sin I linked. Done? Now divide that by four to represent PvP damage reduction. Finished that? Now subtract 89$ of that value to represent that Barb's phys defense. Now post the results. Oh wait, you're too stupid to do any of that or you'd have already realized my above post was true. Oh and if a cleric with that defense level takes 3.5k damage from a serk crit, imagine that cleric taking that same damage... oh... say... FOUR TIMES A SECOND. That's 14k damage in a second in case you're too stupid to do the math. That's enough to take out that cleric VERY quickly and the time I gave doesn't even consider serks, crits, wolf emblem (which increases crit damage) or potential p.def debuffs.

Oh and the fact that your barb has so many areas it can be improved? Pretty much annihilates any credibility you have in this thread.


Funny how the noob who doesn't even have a SINGLE character above level 60 can claim someone else with vastly more experience and knowledge in every way doesn't know anything. Seriously, go learn how the game works before making yourself look like an even bigger moron. Stupid dumbass.

i dont even have to tell u how many character 100+ i have on other account .

u noob the barbarian will not die , thats it .

Evict - Heavens Tear

HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »

tidal,protection

Too bad it doesn't stop a Sin getting ***** in the *** by 12 R9 Archers in TW.

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »

tidal,protection

u smart answering me that the sin will use Tidal protection .

( Skill ○Tidal Protection
Increases your chance to avoid negative status effects by 50%.
Lasts 60 seconds.

Tidal Protection shares a 90 second cooldown with Focused Mind.

Damage Evasion is increased by 10%.)

iam talking about the barbarian how he will not Die .


Anyway ill stop answering , seems no one of those experianced more than TT99 or r8
to know wht we talking about here .

truekossy

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

i dont even have to tell u how many character 100+ i have on other account .

u noob the barbarian will not die , thats it .

And in this day and age, that tells me you're an even bigger noob than I initially expected. Have fun hypering new chars to 100 without having a clue how the hell they work, moron.

Oh and,

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

+ u want a barbarian to stand 11 sec making nothing ?
Invote works under emoblization . 90% reduce damage taken .

more ? ○Roar : Demon version returns 100% physical damage taken to the attacker
for 10 seconds.

more ? genie skills AD 6 sec , Expel 8 sec .

more ? IG

with a pool of 32K hp and Charm .. GTFO .

1: Sin gets first hit and I gave worst case scenario for the sin's damage (never crits, never serks, never serk/crits, doesn't debuff). If I were to take those into account, it would be less than 7 seconds for a ticked charm/uncharmed and 10 seconds or less for an unticked charm. Oh and we're assuming said charm doesn't glitch and not tick due to taking too much damage too fast for the charm to realize it should tick.
2: Invoke doesn't work while stunned, slept, or hit with occult ice. Also 2 spark cost and 30 second cooldown. Plenty of time for a sin to get around it and R9+12 sins HAVE been seen chewing through invoked barbs before. Go look for videos on youtube.
3: Demon roar doesn't work in open PK, idiot. Oh and if it's a demon, you'd have to drop some of those defenses you keep calling invincible.
3: AD? Won't outlast stun and will leave your genie with nothing to save you while the sin instantly tries again. Expel? It's called condensed thorn -> laugh
4: IG? Awesome idea. Let's stun ourselves so the sin can force stealth or stand there waiting around and then attack immediately while apoth is on cooldown!


Are you really this stupid? You're like a new Yulk or something.

Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Too bad it doesn't stop a Sin getting ***** in the *** by 12 R9 Archers in TW.

Sins, in my TW? Get your butt back in stealth to watch what's going on and report to me! b:angry

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

truekossy wrote: »

And in this day and age, that tells me you're an even bigger noob than I initially expected. Have fun hypering new chars to 100 without having a clue how the hell they work, moron.

Oh and,

1: Sin gets first hit and I gave worst case scenario for the sin's damage (never crits, never serks, never serk/crits, doesn't debuff). If I were to take those into account, it would be less than 7 seconds for a ticked charm/uncharmed and 10 seconds or less for an unticked charm. Oh and we're assuming said charm doesn't glitch and not tick due to taking too much damage too fast for the charm to realize it should tick.
2: Invoke doesn't work while stunned, slept, or hit with occult ice. Also 2 spark cost and 30 second cooldown. Plenty of time for a sin to get around it and R9+12 sins HAVE been seen chewing through invoked barbs before. Go look for videos on youtube.
3: Demon roar doesn't work in open PK, idiot. Oh and if it's a demon, you'd have to drop some of those defenses you keep calling invincible.
3: AD? Won't outlast stun and will leave your genie with nothing to save you while the sin instantly tries again. Expel? It's called condensed thorn -> laugh
4: IG? Awesome idea. Let's stun ourselves so the sin can force stealth or stand there waiting around and then attack immediately while apoth is on cooldown!


Are you really this stupid? You're like a new Yulk or something.





Sins, in my TW? Get your butt back in stealth to watch what's going on and report to me! b:angry

ill not explain to u how the barbarian will work them out, i dont play the barb.
but the damage is soo low , the barbarian will not get affected. i seen the damage on the barbarian with such half that gear .

Anyway ... seems endless discusion with u . u have ur opinion keep it to ur self.
goodluck someday u will experiance wht iam saying .

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear

OP is so funny.Are you the offspring of Yulk?

truekossy

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

OP is so funny.Are you the offspring of Yulk?

Considering how OP is unable to actually even respond to arguments and has to resort to the classic "it r right cuz i sed so huuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr" BS, I'd have to say the OP is a slightly lower level than Yulk was most of the time.

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

truekossy wrote: »

Considering how OP is unable to actually even respond to arguments and has to resort to the classic "it r right cuz i sed so huuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr" BS, I'd have to say the OP is a slightly lower level than Yulk was most of the time.

Mauhahaha lets laugh for him O.o

look nab should i explain how u and many are sick ?whts ur psyco problems ?

Considering Sin is the best class and invincible .. thats all cause of assasins came to game late , making the highest damage . using Stealth . solo'ing things .

u and many others just fcken jelious from sins ability they can DD more and farm faster + some awsome skills.


everyone had old characters wants To HATE . its simply ur psyicology problem .

u dont want and will never accept to admit tht any class with +20 refine "if exists" will be more op than sin's .

i posted psy's and barbarian's gear that now exists with some players in the game.
u have to understand its invincible against sin's . the damage i said is 100% true .

truekossy

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm an idiot.

Pardon me while I disregard your asinine babble. b:bye

CessiI - Dreamweaver

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Mauhahaha lets laugh for him O.o

look nab should i explain how u and many are sick ?whts ur psyco problems ?

Considering Sin is the best class and invincible .. thats all cause of assasins came to game late , making the highest damage . using Stealth . solo'ing things .

u and many others just fcken jelious from sins ability they can DD more and farm faster + some awsome skills.


everyone had old characters wants To HATE . its simply ur psyicology problem .

u dont want and will never accept to admit tht any class with +20 refine "if exists" will be more op than sin's .

i posted psy's and barbarian's gear that now exists with some players in the game.
u have to understand its invincible against sin's . the damage i said is 100% true .

you are so stupid seriously,

the sin does not even HAVE to be rank 9 to absolutely **** those examples you gave.

simple PW calc stats dont say SJIT,

go make a nub cleric on harshlands or lost city and stand at the west gate for a few hours

then you will see who will be *touchest* class.

and for the faster farming and soloing part.. you honestly think a DD class with freakin LA armor should be able to solo everything and heal itself while doing so?

i have a barb, its at 27k HP, and your 2k per hit may sound low for you, but those 2k per hits are 4x per second, making it 8k in 1 second gone,

now simple math, 8k gone every second, how long will the barb live? and if you find the aweser with your small brain.... then tell me what chance any other class will have if a barb dies that fast

HardToThink - Lost City

Pvp speaking I think the only op sin skill is tidal protection tbh. Without it most sins are candy(Some rank 9's like pureheart and satspy to), even for me as a wiz.

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide

CessiI - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you are so stupid seriously,

the sin does not even HAVE to be rank 9 to absolutely **** those examples you gave.

simple PW calc stats dont say SJIT,

go make a nub cleric on harshlands or lost city and stand at the west gate for a few hours

then you will see who will be *touchest* class.

and for the faster farming and soloing part.. you honestly think a DD class with freakin LA armor should be able to solo everything and heal itself while doing so?

i have a barb, its at 27k HP, and your 2k per hit may sound low for you, but those 2k per hits are 4x per second, making it 8k in 1 second gone,

now simple math, 8k gone every second, how long will the barb live? and if you find the aweser with your small brain.... then tell me what chance any other class will have if a barb dies that fast

i said ill not answer nabs , who never experianced more than r8 or TT99 .trying to put WRONG info here .

but let me tell u the 2K is criticaled +zerk
which means thats the max damage.

r9 have 39% chance to to zerk. 38-39% chance to crit . means:
this OP thing called sin with his max daggers +12 will be making 500-1000-2000 damages on this poor barbarian u trying to defend.

barbarian got his own skills , and this +12 one with full JsD sharded .. is a ROCK !

HardToThink - Lost City

SweetHeart_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

i said ill not answer nabs , who never experianced more than r8 or TT99 .trying to put WRONG info here .

but let me tell u the 2K is criticaled +zerk
which means thats the max damage.

r9 have 39% chance to to zerk. 38-39% chance to crit . means:
this OP thing called sin with his max daggers +12 will be making 500-1000-2000 damages on this poor barbarian u trying to defend.

barbarian got his own skills , and this +12 one with full JsD sharded .. is a ROCK !

Oh, you said you have a few 100+'s. Do any of them happen to be on lc?