Caster Vana is Amazing thanks pwe

Ceiba - Sanctuary

b:thanks Made several millions from the 2-3 runs I can make from each 100+ alt per day since it was implemented (from 500k up to 1m per run), also is extremely fun unlike the spark-> autoattack->spark->boss dead in 15 seconds usual vana.

I'm no longer playing my sin since caster vana because, even if slower,is wayyyyy more fun, I' like also that every caster of any build is welcome and is not the usual 4aps+-or-no-vana-for-you elitist/racist/classist squad.

Even read that a that a nerf is coming for 5 aps, I dont know if you guys got a new CEO that actually cares about this game or something, but I'm glad that these awaited changes are coming finally.

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary

I'm actually tempted to lvl my veno again just to try out caster vana ^^
As a seeker I have some mag skills, but I doubt I'll be much use in there (except then for the shatter debuffs P:)

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

I can't wait 'till my veno finaly hits 100... This caster thing realy gave me some motivation to lvl... b:pleased

xoltic

Used to heard that making an arcane DDer was a luxury beacuse they couldn't farm nirvana by themselves and were not wlecome in nirvana squads at all, unlike sins/BM/Archers/Barbs that could go aps and do several fast nirvana runs for massive profit and good gears.

With this change someone with a caster character, not only can go to nirvana and farm money/cannys/raptures for themselves, but also can sell this stuff to afford better refines, making arcane DDers convenient.

Very fair change, I want to level my wizard to 100 now.

Cedro - Sanctuary

Went there with 5 other clerics once, b:chuckle was damn fun, was also very fast since 2 were highly refined R9s. ANY kind of squad is possible the only limit is the numbers of talismans per day (1 from npc, 2 from each BH), the drop rate is amazing too, we are getting 6-9 Uncannys and from 1-3 raptures per run.

Minimus_ - Sanctuary

Finally a positive thread. Ye caster Nirvana is fun, decent reward. Ty

Asgardeus - Sanctuary

I still didn't get to try it >.<
Everytime I whispered someone in wc they were like: link weapon. Is it a r9 isntance only or what? lol
If I can't get in with +5 R8 then I dunno b:surrender

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

the game is completely unplayable with out +12 rank 9.
if you run into r9 snobbery, from other squads, form your own, and dont allow or dont require rank 9s

Ceiba - Sanctuary

You will find that kind of people everywhere, not only for this but for BHs and fcc, my suggestion is make your own squad, get a couple of strong friends to come and WC for the rest.

I remember when delta was the instance to do, you would find the same kind of ppl, every WC squad would ask you if you were charmed or not, and what was your base HP, most would refuse to invite you if you were missing the charm or your base HP was low.

There are plenty of jerks in this game, but there are plenty of helpful/fun people too.

yghb

good.... this should stop the qqing about aps, hopefully.

Susamajii - Lost City

There will be mass QQing about APS soon when they nerf it.

All chars will no longer gain chi after triple sparking during the duration of the triple spark.

Assassins will still be able to use chi skills to get their triple back faster but all other APS chars like BMs/EAs/Barbs with claws will be screwed. I love it.

krisnda

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

There will be mass QQing about APS soon when they nerf it.

All chars will no longer gain chi after triple sparking during the duration of the triple spark.

Assassins will still be able to use chi skills to get their triple back faster but all other APS chars like BMs/EAs/Barbs with claws will be screwed. I love it.

^ Pretty much this is going to be whats going to happen. (if the rumors are true)

But i digress, stay on topic guys.

SilverCleric - Lost City

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

There will be mass QQing about APS soon when they nerf it.

All chars will no longer gain chi after triple sparking during the duration of the triple spark.

Assassins will still be able to use chi skills to get their triple back faster but all other APS chars like BMs/EAs/Barbs with claws will be screwed. I love it.

^QFT

SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »

Strange, if PWI has the power to do something like that, why don't they have the power to actually nurf aps to 3.33 sparked? b:sweat

^ And like I ask before above....

Tomoe_ - Sanctuary

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

There will be mass QQing about APS soon when they nerf it.

All chars will no longer gain chi after triple sparking during the duration of the triple spark.

Assassins will still be able to use chi skills to get their triple back faster but all other APS chars like BMs/EAs/Barbs with claws will be screwed. I love it.

so sins wouldn't be affected that much . . since they have massive chi gain skills. . 1 spark gain will be fine but still, given they are aps-oriented toons, chi gain skills with short cooldown are still unfair for the rest of the classes. .

Vancore - Sanctuary

caster vana is great if you know what your doing it takes 20min, and all the bosses are harder so much more fun than the aps spark/auto att fest that is classic vana

Decus - Dreamweaver

Stop calling it Vana! This is PWI not Wheel of Fortune! b:angry

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

Vancore - Sanctuary wrote: »

caster vana is great if you know what your doing it takes 20min, and all the bosses are harder so much more fun than the aps spark/auto att fest that is classic vana

yes. instead its spam your F keys till ur fingers cramp. much betterb:victory

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Stop calling it Vana! This is PWI not Wheel of Fortune! b:angry

I gave up on that. People on HT also call it "Narnia" and "rana". I don't get why the cutesy nicknames.

Anyhow, I agree with the sentiments of the OP. I watched as my wife did caster Nirvana and the squad wiped so many times on the last boss. The main prob casters are gonna run into there is hellacious AOE, as well as not having enough HP. However, it looked like they all had quite a fun time. I really wish PW would keep doing content that challenges people like that, even though I know ongoing content for this game is now pretty much an exercise of futility.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

ok about aps its a nice thing to do i am now going aps cos ppl will hate aps now.

anyways about that i still think devs are not done with the whole aps thing once the no chi gain is done i am sure they will fix sin chi gain to normal classes gain so just wait a bit.

reason to my belief is fishies are not the new toys anymore EG are i am sure they will give
EG the spot light from this aps thingy.

why u ask.

cos if i was dev if i make a new toy why work on older toys and as u can see old classes havent hade un update in a long time if ever only nerf.

so i think the fishies turn to feel in the shadow with the ather three classes.


anyways this is what i think u can agree or not agree.

KuriWrath REC barb barb soldier lol come join our barb factionb:chuckle

Empu - Sanctuary

Ceiba - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:thanks Made several millions from the 2-3 runs I can make from each 100+ alt per day since it was implemented (from 500k up to 1m per run), also is extremely fun unlike the spark-> autoattack->spark->boss dead in 15 seconds usual vana.

b:pleased Agree with you there, caster vana is more fun then normal. Maybe just cause it's new and all, but it's more challenging for sure.

Ceiba - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm no longer playing my sin since caster vana because, even if slower,is wayyyyy more fun, I' like also that every caster of any build is welcome and is not the usual 4aps+-or-no-vana-for-you elitist/racist/classist squad.

This is absolutely not my experience with it, and I'm on same server as you. From day 1, I've been asked for weapon link by wc squad. Btw, my caster character is a cleric... b:shocked Not like I was there to DD anyway. Seems to me caster vana is going to the same elitist snobism as normal vana.

Ceiba - Sanctuary wrote: »

Even read that a that a nerf is coming for 5 aps, I dont know if you guys got a new CEO that actually cares about this game or something, but I'm glad that these awaited changes are coming finally.

This last patch actually gave me that hope too. The ring feature is actually not overpowered or horribly overexpensive like the rune thing, they fixed map, rumor going they fixed goons, and a sign of care about the aps problem. I was actually pleased to see all that, gives hope they will actually rebalance things ingame.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is absolutely not my experience with it, and I'm on same server as you. From day 1, I've been asked for weapon link by wc squad. Btw, my caster character is a cleric... b:shocked Not like I was there to DD anyway. Seems to me caster vana is going to the same elitist snobism as normal vana.

Wouldn't expect anything less from the players of this game. You have to realize that the people who do caster nirvanas are the same ones doing the normal ones. It's kinda expected that they, having already grown into the whole elitist mold, would repeat the same thing.

And just because it's caster nirvana does not mean they'll take anyone who wants to go.

This last patch actually gave me that hope too. The ring feature is actually not overpowered or horribly overexpensive like the rune thing, they fixed map, rumor going they fixed goons, and a sign of care about the aps problem. I was actually pleased to see all that, gives hope they will actually rebalance things ingame.

Well yes, the ring feature is nice. It's permanent, so the slightly high cost isn't a downside like it was with runes.

The fixed map was nice. And the whole new "how to get to here" thing on the map is also cool.

As for the APS problem, I don't know. They COULD just adjust the DPH in some way. Personally I don't mind whatever happens to 3.33-5 aps, since I'm a Sage, but it would suck majorly for anyone with lower APS, much more so than the higher APS folk.

Abstractive - Archosaur

I can see it now:


Random wizard:

"LF or making Nirvana caster squad, PM -chan and magic sword. -70 % chan or GTFO !!"

It's gonna be the new craze.

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

You guys are so gullable (idk if spelt right) they will never nerf aps, the day pwi nerfs aps is the day the game dies for good. Idk why you all complain about aps, without aps the tt market would be dead, the canny market would be dead. Aps makes farming easier its a good thing in pve. If you have the time to QQ about aps then us that time to make friends with aps. I always have a squad for nirvy i dont see how you guys have a problem. My squad consists of cleric which is me, 2 sins, a bm, veno and lucky caster. Get off your *** and start trying.

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver

Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You guys are so gullable (idk if spelt right) they will never nerf aps, the day pwi nerfs aps is the day the game dies for good. Idk why you all complain about aps, without aps the tt market would be dead, the canny market would be dead. Aps makes farming easier its a good thing in pve. If you have the time to QQ about aps then us that time to make friends with aps. I always have a squad for nirvy i dont see how you guys have a problem. My squad consists of cleric which is me, 2 sins, a bm, veno and lucky caster. Get off your *** and start trying.

Good, that now "lucky" caster and even casters can go to Nirvana without Assassins and without "trying".

About "game dies for good" : I remember old days without free 5APS or Tideborn addition. No problems for game.

Susamajii - Lost City

Abstractive - Archosaur wrote: »

I can see it now:


Random wizard:

"LF or making Nirvana caster squad, PM -chan and magic sword. -70 % chan or GTFO !!"

It's gonna be the new craze.

If only channeling wasn't capped at 30%.

Which always made me wonder why they capped channeling so low but not APS.

Empu - Sanctuary

I actually kinda think it will become "pm weapon link and hp". But we'll see b:chuckle Doesn't change that the instance is fun, and I love they put it in.

Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You guys are so gullable (idk if spelt right) they will never nerf aps, the day pwi nerfs aps is the day the game dies for good. Idk why you all complain about aps, without aps the tt market would be dead, the canny market would be dead. Aps makes farming easier its a good thing in pve. If you have the time to QQ about aps then us that time to make friends with aps. I always have a squad for nirvy i dont see how you guys have a problem. My squad consists of cleric which is me, 2 sins, a bm, veno and lucky caster. Get off your *** and start trying.

This kind of reasoning always makes me laugh. Aps has become so freaking overrated, that ppl think it's actually the aps that makes that makes TT or vana fast. News-flash, that's +10 r8 weapons being the average. You really think permaspark is that important when you kill thinks within 20sec anyways? Ohhh, your lucky caster is cause he/she has 99 key quest right?

Want to hear something funny, with a not-aps barb, it's almost impossible to get a squad. With a good geared cleric (5.8k hp, good def and hp charm, meaning I won't die on some explosion or random aggro, and even lvl11 revive and debuffs), I got to do my best to find a squad. On my sin, last night, I got on and within 2 min I had 6 squads to pick from. All of them would have been 5 to 10min squads, you know, the kind of squad that you will never see as a cleric. Plz tell me, if classes don't matter, why I notice such a difference on my 3 lvl100 toons, that are all 3 well geared with majority of their lvl11 skills?

Caster vana is a great thing by itself, and that they actually made it a fun instance with decent droprate is even better.

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I actually kinda think it will become "pm weapon link and hp". But we'll see b:chuckle Doesn't change that the instance is fun, and I love they put it in.



This kind of reasoning always makes me laugh. Aps has become so freaking overrated, that ppl think it's actually the aps that makes that makes TT or vana fast. News-flash, that's +10 r8 weapons being the average. You really think permaspark is that important when you kill thinks within 20sec anyways? Ohhh, your lucky caster is cause he/she has 99 key quest right?

Want to hear something funny, with a not-aps barb, it's almost impossible to get a squad. With a good geared cleric (5.8k hp, good def and hp charm, meaning I won't die on some explosion or random aggro, and even lvl11 revive and debuffs), I got to do my best to find a squad. On my sin, last night, I got on and within 2 min I had 6 squads to pick from. All of them would have been 5 to 10min squads, you know, the kind of squad that you will never see as a cleric. Plz tell me, if classes don't matter, why I notice such a difference on my 3 lvl100 toons, that are all 3 well geared with majority of their lvl11 skills?

Caster vana is a great thing by itself, and that they actually made it a fun instance with decent droprate is even better.

Let me tell you. Im with a faction that balances squads. We include everyone no matter what their class. I spend half my 2x time farming golds for free for my faction and the other half farming nirvy. Dont just assume that this is how i work. I farmed all my gear with my faction vice versa. Learn to network then you'll get squads. I've said aps made things go faster. Make your choice, a 2hr tt or a 30min one.

Empu - Sanctuary

Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Let me tell you. Im with a faction that balances squads. We include everyone no matter what their class. I spend half my 2x time farming golds for free for my faction and the other half farming nirvy. Dont just assume that this is how i work. I farmed all my gear with my faction vice versa. Learn to network then you'll get squads. I've said aps made things go faster. Make your choice, a 2hr tt or a 30min one.

You're either blind or naif. Besides, unless some major schizophrenia from my side, it doesn't make sence my sin has networking skills, and my barb not at all.

Anyway, I don't think you get it :
-I'm a sin
-I can solo any TT in the same time as you do with your squad, if not faster
-I have no problem getting squads for vana, since I'm instand spammed for it when logging on
-I am not even "aps", since I'm sage and have 2.86 aps. Yet I outdamage the fast majority of the 5 aps miracle DD. Plz don't tell me it's just aps that makes TT go fast.
-Any fix like suggested would greatly reduce my own capacity to farm 3-3 on my own, yet I'm in favor of a nerf. I am on first line to see how broken the game has become.
-I think this caster vana is great, because I'm aware of class discrimination. The regular "get yourself friend" or "find a faction" is just negating reality of the game state atm. Besides, I want to take casters on squad because they are usefull in squad, not out of charity.

LadyBats - Archosaur wrote: »

Its the aps lol...go do a nirvana with all sage sins using chill of the deep so their aps are 1/sec even if they all had +12 r8 a group of demon sins with 4 aps perma sparked +10 would run circles arround the first squad, not to mention the fact that the 1 aps squad would NEED a cleric and 4 aps could do without thanks to 4 blood paints per sec.

Since I'm a sage sin, I think I know better what it does then you actually. Especially your bp argument shows you don't know what you're saying. Try out normal vana with several wizzards/psys with +10 r8 weapons, instead of some aps DD with deicides +3. Or make your 4 aps +10 r8 sins into 5 aps with g13 vana and +3 refines. High refines matter a lot, way more then aps. Anyway you turn it, with todays average gear, there won't be 2h+ TT like before.

Magna - Harshlands

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

If only channeling wasn't capped at 30%.

Which always made me wonder why they capped channeling so low but not APS.

Since when?

Channeling is capped at -99%. With -100% or more, channeling rolls back to -90%.

Of course, the reason why -channeling isn't ridiculous like -interval is because it doesn't reduce cast time. It's also a lot harder to get -channeling in very large amounts.

Ikarium - Dreamweaver

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »

About "game dies for good" : I remember old days without free 5APS or Tideborn addition. No problems for game.

So....you remember 2 hour TT squads? And in said squads, after 2 hours, as low level DD you may be lucky to get a green mat or 2 that you didn't even want or need.
The QQing was just as exisant tho. Barbs taking all good mats for 'repairs'. And OMFG the crying over Herc Venos who could solo.

Yes, the game was fine (and still had major QQ from players) before all of this was introduced........but the majority of the playerbase who even rememebrs those days...would you really want to go back to that?
Alot of the people playing now don't know what it was like before 5aps/Tideborn.

So, yes thats how it was, but the game has fundamentally changed in the last 2 years, and no, there is no going back. PWE didn't make near the money from the cashshop then as they do now from the rush to perma-sparking.


Caster Nirvana, while a very good thing, also serves to reenforce the point that its not the gear, the game, the instance, or even the company behind the game that hinders and excludes other players. Its the players themselves. The elitist Caster squads (who were once excluded) who are now looking for +10/12 gear only proves this.

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So....you remember 2 hour TT squads? And in said squads, after 2 hours, as low level DD you may be lucky to get a green mat or 2 that you didn't even want or need...

Yea, I remember it.

Tank - > Cleric - > Other characters - this was sequence of items distribution between squad members of TT(old HH) squad.

This was before.

And same is now, as I think (at each random squad).

I had been at TT once only, because it was useless for DD.

Same is now.

Nirvana (casters only) is very good instance to try at high levels.

I mean for casters.