Reset Lvls. 105s-103s back to at least 102.

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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Liba - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Have any of you actually thought about why PW hasn't done this?
    Ill tell you.
    Money.
    Have you noticed that mose people who are abusing the glitch have R8/9 with +10 weapons? :/ Ofc they're not going to perma-ban them, or roll them back to 100. (partically 100, because of the R9 element). PW is just run by greedy fat cats who need a ladder to crawl out their own ****. If they did perma ban, or re-roll their chars after fixing the glitch, there is a chanse that they would quit; meaning that PW would be losing more money. Do you people really think that they'll get rid of their own source of finanace?

    And to all of you who are going to simply comment 'they can't because they can't log kills!' Yes they can. Ever little thing that appears on your screen on PW can be tracked and logged if nessesary, that includes chat, exp, spirit, kills and damage. The reason they ask for screen shots in tickets is to speed up the process.

    So you telling if you are hard CS you are unbanable? And if you are free player you would be banable easily? If this would be true this game is then kind of ****.
    Every 104-105lv. except few 2-3 sins(and elaine mage) are cheaters and glitchers. I don't get it why people don't see it clearly. Only because reason they are these cheaters themself. All I want is justice for every1, regardless of money.
    BTW. You know why USA is so bad economically nowadays? Because their society, all state is just MONEY addicted. They don't recognize what is right and what is wrong. They are just greedy pigs. PWI is clear example of these manners.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So you telling if you are hard CS you are unbanable? And if you are free player you would be banable easily? If this would be true this game is then kind of ****.
    Every 104-105lv. except few 2-3 sins(and elaine mage) are cheaters and glitchers. I don't get it why people don't see it clearly. Only because reason they are these cheaters themself. All I want is justice for every1, regardless of money.
    BTW. You know why USA is so bad economically nowadays? Because their society, all state is just MONEY addicted. They don't recognize what is right and what is wrong. They are just greedy pigs. PWI is clear example of these manners.
    Yes, oh wise sage, it's very clear now, the USA needs to hate money so they can be better economically. It's what's "right". And surely this has everything to do with PWE since CHINA owns it and sets the direction of how this game is developed, and that a significant amount of players that cash shop come from other areas of the world besides the US. Damn that USA for manipulating Chinese companies and the entire world with their greed!

    But don't let a thing like logic stop you from a pointless rant that diverts attention away from the real problems in this game worth discussing.
  • Liba - Heavens Tear
    Liba - Heavens Tear Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So you telling if you are hard CS you are unbanable? And if you are free player you would be banable easily? If this would be true this game is then kind of ****.


    BTW. You know why USA is so bad economically nowadays? Because their society, all state is just MONEY addicted. They don't recognize what is right and what is wrong. They are just greedy pigs. PWI is clear example of these manners.

    1.) yes, the game really is like that. The people who run PWI are money grabbing theives, and i've had friends get accounts back (or bans shortened) by saying that they are planning to R8/9 a char that is on there... very easy and simple.

    and 2.) one of the main reason's for the resession in america is an addiction to hording money, yet also spending what you don't have (e.g. companies giving out 12 months credit, then the person not being able to pay it back...aka, stupid business decisions) Someone should check their facts :)).
    Haters gunna love this ^
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  • Daedallus - Sanctuary
    Daedallus - Sanctuary Posts: 554 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Every 104-105lv. except few 2-3 sins(and elaine mage) are cheaters and glitchers. I don't get it why people don't see it clearly.

    They do see it clearly... unfortunately, they just don't care.

    Fair play means nothing these days, anyway.

    It's all about the coin. Pls introduce a instant lvl 105 badge in the cash shop already. At least it would make the ppl who should enforce the rules save face.
  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So the people that followed Kitamura's guide on how to lvl your way to 105 within a matter of a few days, given it takes an awefull alot of money, time and dedication + energy drink and sugar rushing food to stay awake, should fall under that roll back too ?

    Seriously, there is -hardly- a good way to tell, for someone on the outside without screenshots and coldhard evidence of glitching, to make that decision of a roll back.

    This thread is ****.

    Do you mean this guide? http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=14566801

    Coz yes, thats realistic.
    7 billion coins + 60 days straight (24 hours a day killing oracle) with no sleep will get you 100-105 on oracles.
    Even at 8 hours a day thats 177 days. Yes, this is surely comparable to FC glitching to 105 in a matter of a day or two. Unless there is another guide you are referring to that says how to do something comparable to FC Goonz glitch. Please link it up if so, coz I couldn't find anything else.

    I don't know Kitamura, but I am taking that guide as a joke. Oh i believe those are real numbers, just that as a point that he did not Oracle to 105 as thats not realistic
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    n they are these cheaters themself. All I want is justice for every1, regardless of money.
    BTW. You know why USA is so bad economically nowadays? Because their society, all state is just MONEY addicted. They don't recognize what is right and what is wrong. They are just greedy pigs. PWI is clear example of these manners.

    Because human are greedy creature and like to talk about bad side of other people ? b:chuckle

    It start with simple thing called family, no more group that follow one leader like a wolf pack.
    " I need a little more money... and my boss was rich... he won't know. "
    " My family need to eat... so i had to steal.. "
    " Why people can do such a horrible thing ? "
    " Does parent this day even giving lesson to their kids ? "
    " Look i am poor and you are rich, you don't know my problems !! "
    " You aren't a follower, **** from this palace... may you burn in *** !! "
    " I just want to get out from here... are you looking for trouble ? "
    " This is wrong, that also wrong... you **** "
    " I am doing this for people of our country, the money is part of the job.. "
    " Does everyone here only have worker mentality ?!! "
    " Look dear, that person will never have big house if he just keep helping people. "
    " Mama, i need to get this tool and daily food for my diet... no matter what. "
    " There always a price for everything.. "

    It's our nature and twisted world, broken rules. b:bye

    People would always found new thing to start war after short peace time.
    People this day always wanted to shape the world and forget that the world isn't for them alone. Other than that are we actually have freedom ? How much desperate are we ?
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  • KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary
    KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    If you had billions of coins to spend then you could get to 105 in a day from level 80 by buying enough FCC green gear. You wouldn't even need billions if you hoarded all the FCC green gear back when they were 100k each. You can decompose each of those into 100 order of blessing worth 4k xp each.
  • TeaI - Dreamweaver
    TeaI - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If you had billions of coins to spend then you could get to 105 in a day from level 80 by buying enough FCC green gear. You wouldn't even need billions if you hoarded all the FCC green gear back when they were 100k each. You can decompose each of those into 100 order of blessing worth 4k xp each.

    What mine just decomps into an armorcore. b:cry
  • KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary
    KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    TeaI - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    What mine just decomps into an armorcore. b:cry

    Take that to a Martial Arts Master to get XP.
  • Ois - Lost City
    Ois - Lost City Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    The GMs/Devs/Frankie/Whoever is in charge will never do anything about the levels gained. The Dragoon glitch needed to be fixed but in fixing it they broke the game even more. Now there are people that are at a basically unobtainable level and there is no way to catch up to them in level any time soon realistically.

    I really don't know why I keep playing this game...it's a complete joke.
  • TeaI - Dreamweaver
    TeaI - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Take that to a Martial Arts Master to get XP.

    I never knew that lol b:surrender. But you could just sell the armor for 1mil coins and then buy a couple FC heads and get more exp for your coin.
  • AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary
    AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary Posts: 555 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Do you have link on this guide? Because as I know he was doing it couple months. So?

    The one below here, and as i also said, "given it takes an awefull alot of money, time and dedication + energy drink and sugar rushing food to stay awake."
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Do you mean this guide? http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=14566801

    Coz yes, thats realistic.
    7 billion coins + 60 days straight (24 hours a day killing oracle) with no sleep will get you 100-105 on oracles.
    Even at 8 hours a day thats 177 days. Yes, this is surely comparable to FC glitching to 105 in a matter of a day or two. Unless there is another guide you are referring to that says how to do something comparable to FC Goonz glitch. Please link it up if so, coz I couldn't find anything else.

    I don't know Kitamura, but I am taking that guide as a joke. Oh i believe those are real numbers, just that as a point that he did not Oracle to 105 as thats not realistic

    How is that realistic? For all you know someone Oracled their way up to 105 using -that- exact method, mixing in a couple of fcc's and nirvana's here and there to fund this speed rush to 105 and you saying they are just as bad as a glitcher ?

    Next to that, whether or not he actually used this method is irrelivant, i gave you this example to further explain the rash and harsh nature you want to fund this roll back on.
    Oracles have been in the game for how long now? So by your method i should deserve a rollback because i may have used 10 or 20 oracles just to keel me over those 3 or 4% ?
    fact remains, NO ONE without cold hard evidence or screenshots of them actually admitting to glitch goons/ actually in the act of said glitch, can say "You deserve a rollback because you lvled up too fast".

    Put on a blindfold, grab some women by the chest and see who got the bigger chest and who spent most of their time in a bathroom hogging the toilet paper. i think you'll find out after it's too late.

    That method aint going to work.
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  • Hideori - Lost City
    Hideori - Lost City Posts: 530 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Liba - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    1.) yes, the game really is like that. The people who run PWI are money grabbing theives, and i've had friends get accounts back (or bans shortened) by saying that they are planning to R8/9 a char that is on there... very easy and simple.


    even if so, I can tolerate that. It may sound crazy, but for somebody this game is business. and they run this game for money, not because of kind heart. the problem I see here is that GMs/devs/whatever doesint make this game worth those moneys. bunch of bugs, unbalanced clases, idiotic rules instead of mechanical prevention, sh**y updates, no bug fix, fashion/motorbikes, ruberbanding, etc. = cheap game. thats why I hate this game. if not all these problems I'd gladly spend my moneys on this game, why not... but not on a game like it is now.
  • Tsukyini - Raging Tide
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide Posts: 1,766 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »
    fact remains, NO ONE without cold hard evidence or screenshots of them actually admitting to glitch goons/ actually in the act of said glitch, can say "You deserve a rollback because you lvled up too fast".
    .

    Blizzard doesn't even accept screenshots as proof of any evidence of wrongdoing or what have you, for a couple reasons. First, people can say they've done lots of things without having actually done them. Second, it's not that hard to photoshop a screenshot. Third, the game logs contain every bit of information on everything their characters have done. The truth is in the logs. If, say, the dragoons that spawn from the third boss have a different ID from the ones later in the instance, GMs would only need to look for people killing more than two of those dragoons in any given instance run.

    If that sort of information is not actually logged.... well, that's on the Chinese developers' heads.

    This isn't even really about "QQ so many level 105s". It's about how much the rules actually matter. Inaction against the people using the glitch without people submitting screenshots just sort of shows that they won't take action against people breaking the rules unless someone actually brings it to their attention. Even when they do take action, the punishment is laughable and not really a deterrent to anyone.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: The best thing for PWE to do would be to declare use of the glitch as legal. That way no one is left out, everyone can choose to use it or not use it, and it wipes PWE's hands of any responsibility on the matter.
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  • AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary
    AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary Posts: 555 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Blizzard doesn't even accept screenshots as proof of any evidence of wrongdoing or what have you, for a couple reasons. First, people can say they've done lots of things without having actually done them. Second, it's not that hard to photoshop a screenshot. Third, the game logs contain every bit of information on everything their characters have done. The truth is in the logs. If, say, the dragoons that spawn from the third boss have a different ID from the ones later in the instance, GMs would only need to look for people killing more than two of those dragoons in any given instance run.

    If that sort of information is not actually logged.... well, that's on the Chinese developers' heads.

    This isn't even really about "QQ so many level 105s". It's about how much the rules actually matter. Inaction against the people using the glitch without people submitting screenshots just sort of shows that they won't take action against people breaking the rules unless someone actually brings it to their attention. Even when they do take action, the punishment is laughable and not really a deterrent to anyone.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: The best thing for PWE to do would be to declare use of the glitch as legal. That way no one is left out, everyone can choose to use it or not use it, and it wipes PWE's hands of any responsibility on the matter.

    I get that, just merely disputing the fact that such a harsh rollback takes more than just a log of exp gain/look at a rankings page etc.

    If i were to be as lifeless as i sometimes wished to be, i could of been 105 a year ago.
    cause if i really put in the effort, farming, merching, grinding, hypering and normal FCC runs, it can be done. I'm talking extremes here, but getting to 105 without actually cashshopping 99% of it and or putting in more time you'll ever put into anything, is (without this glitch) pretty damn long.
    Not advertising this glitch tho, mind you.

    But w/e, it all still boils down to the Calimero effect, "it's an injustice. They're so big and I'm so little".
    All you need is something to believe in. -Solar_one. <-- <3 mah snoockums, mah hubby, mah eberyfing. :3

    Lag; You think yours is bad ? It took Jesus 3 days to Respawn !
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  • Tsukyini - Raging Tide
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide Posts: 1,766 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I get that, just merely disputing the fact that such a harsh rollback takes more than just a log of exp gain/look at a rankings page etc.

    I completely agree that just an amount of exp gain/movement on the rankings page is not enough evidence for anything. The logs showing how the exp was gained (more dragoon kills than should be possible in a legit FC run, oracles, orders of blessing, grinding, questing, to name a few ways) is what they would need to look at.

    Also I don't think a rollback would be a solution. They're saying that using the glitch is a bannable offense, so they should ban the people who did it. Not temporarily suspend, but actually ban.

    This is of course only if PWE wants to actually assert its authority and show that they make the rules and that rule breakers will be punished.

    I don't actually want to see people banned for this, as I can completely sympathize with people who have done it. I'd rather just see PWE declare it legal.
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  • Barunaa - Heavens Tear
    Barunaa - Heavens Tear Posts: 420 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ok i just want my mystic 101 obviously nothing is being done. anyone on HT want to help me with thatb:cute
  • Liba - Heavens Tear
    Liba - Heavens Tear Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Hideori - Lost City wrote: »
    even if so, I can tolerate that. It may sound crazy, but for somebody this game is business. and they run this game for money, not because of kind heart. the problem I see here is that GMs/devs/whatever doesint make this game worth those moneys. bunch of bugs, unbalanced clases, idiotic rules instead of mechanical prevention, sh**y updates, no bug fix, fashion/motorbikes, ruberbanding, etc. = cheap game. thats why I hate this game. if not all these problems I'd gladly spend my moneys on this game, why not... but not on a game like it is now.


    If they were actually planning on running this game as a true business, they would have to take in to account a very large aspect for a F2P MMO; customer satisfaction. If your customers have nothing binding them to the game (an investment) then they have no reason to stay if they do not find the game up to their customer needs. If the customer has a problem, it should be dealt with swiftly and with the upmost importance. Why? Repeat purchase. Repeat purchase of gold is what keeps PW spinning, without it, and customer satisfaction there would be no game at all, end of.
    Haters gunna love this ^
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  • Biatch_ - Harshlands
    Biatch_ - Harshlands Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    sry, but no one cares if u spent 1 year+ getting to lvl 100 before hypers/bh/fc/etc. its all about now where u can do this **** glitch and get there in a matter of days.

    also lvls passed 101 WILL eventually matter once they implement rank 10 for the 105s. and its only a matter of time before they do that. once that day comes everyone is going to QQ at the 200+ 105s that will automatically have rank 10 from day 1 all because they spent a week or 2 in order to get to 105 where as everyone else will have to grind for 3-6 months in order to reach 105.

    b:laughLOL at those who lvled to 100-102 without hypers/bh/fc/glitch ..its 2011 things change get use to it or GTFO
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    Thanx Jean for the siggib:kiss
  • Daedallus - Sanctuary
    Daedallus - Sanctuary Posts: 554 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »
    This isn't even really about "QQ so many level 105s". It's about how much the rules actually matter.

    QFT...

    Come on PWI, are rules meant to be broken?
  • Monsieur - Lothranis
    Monsieur - Lothranis Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    if the rule about banning whoever used dragoonz glitch to lvl is set into effect, ALL THE PEOPLE IN LOTHRANIS SERVER WILL GET BANNED..hahahhaa
  • TrueHarmony - Archosaur
    TrueHarmony - Archosaur Posts: 332 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ****_ - Harshlands wrote: »
    b:laughLOL at those who lvled to 100-102 without hypers/bh/fc/glitch ..its 2011 things change get use to it or GTFO

    EHhhh i only agree with that partly, bhs, hypers and fc sure but people who don't exploit a infinite loop coding error are to be laughed at? I don't know why people abuse dragoon glitch at all, a normal full fc run is worth like 15% @.@ and you can get a sexy free ring too
    Yeah my sig doesn't match my name...i would say im being all clever and trying to confuse people...but im really just too lazy to make a new one
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  • Nakairu - Archosaur
    Nakairu - Archosaur Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    wait, so was the glitch fixed? If so, thats bs....totally unfair that there are people who took advantage of the glitch and are getting away with it. If I knew they weren't going after people who abused the glitch, I would have done the same thing!

    Bring back the glitch!
  • Blancheneige - Heavens Tear
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,494 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    The main problem is not the glitch itself, but the unreasonable length of time it took them to fix it.

    Really, if a bug like that was found on a well managed game, it would have been fixed in a matter of hours, and those abusing it would have been rolled back to their original levels at least.

    But since PW is not a well managed game, the bug abusers abused the glitch freely, and they'll get away with it.

    The only fair solution would have been to not fix it. Let's face it, it became a game feature...
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    Thanks Brit for the sig b:laugh
  • Barber - Heavens Tear
    Barber - Heavens Tear Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    wait im 103 and ive nvr even used hypers you need to get the lvl you pick right. getting to 103 is easy to get without cheating

    they should be able to check the logs somehow and tell who was getting lvls so frigging fast


    If ya made more than 1 lvl in less than a week after reaching 100 then you used the glitch, reset to lvl one :D

    bans dont frigging work, the people enjoy the 3 day vacations and come back bragging how they got caught...and laugh at the gm's for doing it to them
    Barbarian(Barber)=104
    Cleric(MysticFrost)=104
    BM(TooCold)=104
    Seeker(TiltedKilt)=104
    Assassin(Spongeworthy)=104
    Veno(UnZipped)=103

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