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PhantomThief - Archosaur

I was planning out my Assassin's endgame gear and was hoping to get some criticism on my build.

A few things:

1. I'm Sage.

2. I put a few points in vit by accident at a lower level and a few too many str points by a miscalculation on my part. I plan on restating these eventually, but for now, they're staying.

3. I don't have the funds to go r9, so please take that into consideration.

Here's my planned build: http://pwcalc.com/fa4fa8aae03709cb

Any suggestions are welcome.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Well, you only need 95 Str, and 5 vit...

But my 92 Sin with 90 base Vit has more HP and better PDef and MDef. b:shutup

If you're really going for survivability you need more refines, or, you need to put some more vit in.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, you only need 95 Str, and 5 vit...

But my 92 Sin with 90 base Vit has more HP and better PDef and MDef. b:shutup

If you're really going for survivability you need more refines, or, you need to put some more vit in.

Well considering that 15/18 sockets are DoTs and refines at a maximum of +5, that's a pretty good amount of HP.

As for improvements, there isn't much to do, at least cheaply. You could replace the Attendance Ring with a Seal of Eternal Solitude or Sign of Frost: Chaos.

Other than that, pretty much just the refines.

But it's a pretty solid setup.

PhantomThief - Archosaur

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well considering that 15/18 sockets are DoTs and refines at a maximum of +5, that's a pretty good amount of HP.

As for improvements, there isn't much to do, at least cheaply. You could replace the Attendance Ring with a Seal of Eternal Solitude or Sign of Frost: Chaos.

Other than that, pretty much just the refines.

But it's a pretty solid setup.

Thanks for the input =D

Glad to know I'm not totally off base here lol

Kagizyu - Heavens Tear

Imo, If you got the funds to do that sharding, you got money to refine more. I'd refine the daggers more first just so its easier to farm the rest when you run out of money.

Lunar ring over attendance b:laugh

But so far the build is nice.

PhantomThief - Archosaur

Kagizyu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Imo, If you got the funds to do that sharding, you got money to refine more. I'd refine the daggers more first just so its easier to farm the rest when you run out of money.

Lunar ring over attendance b:laugh

But so far the build is nice.

You're probably right xD, but I like to keep my refines low when I'm planning a build.

On that note...

Compared to the first build, what do you guys think of this one?

http://pwcalc.com/e55e094a8a92bd16

I changed the ring as suggested and changed the armor shards to citrines.

I'm trying to figure out what's going to give me more survive-ability in PvE (farming Nirv, TT, duoing FC, that kind of stuff) and TW.

Again, any suggestions are appreciated.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Kagizyu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Imo, If you got the funds to do that sharding, you got money to refine more. I'd refine the daggers more first just so its easier to farm the rest when you run out of money.

Lunar ring over attendance b:laugh

But so far the build is nice.

Um, the build he posted has a DPS of 95,497. If you remove the DoTs and refine the daggers, you end up with a +9 Dagger being equal to his set up. And for comparison, a friend of mine, who's a 5 aps fistBM with +10 Deicide would have about 110k DPS.

So I think he already has enough DPS for a while.

If anything, I'd start by getting a +10 on those leggings, then a +10 on the helm. Because those are higher grade than the others and therefore get more life. Especially since +7, +8, +9 and +10 all have pretty much the same cost.

You're probably right xD, but I like to keep my refines low when I'm planning a build.

On that note...

Compared to the first build, what do you guys think of this one?

http://pwcalc.com/e55e094a8a92bd16

I changed the ring as suggested and changed the armor shards to citrines.

I'm trying to figure out what's going to give me more survive-ability in PvE (farming Nirv, TT, duoing FC, that kind of stuff) and TW.

Again, any suggestions are appreciated.

Why Incomparable shards? They cost about 17.5m coins each, which isn't much lower than a Citrine Gem, but a Citrine Gem has a lot more life. And unless that is your final plan, you shouldn't be putting that much money into the shards.

And btw, the DoT thing works. I know fellow sages who went with DoTs and they say it worked.

Empu - Sanctuary

I like your first build better. 5.7k hp with close to 4k phys def is good enough to tank most bosses as sage, and even solo quite a bit. Like said before, lunar ring is really good for extra defence (also refines better on phys def then attendance ring). But that's just a tiny detail. You got a good setup to build on, and who knows you might end up with r9 anyway lol. You will probably graduately up the refines of your weap, then armor and ornaments, during future orb sales.

About the restat you mentioned : take a look at the vana hat, and wether you would want to get that (or decide you don't think it's worth the funds). If you do want to get that hat, best would be to get it and restat your str after.

Razorburn - Dreamweaver

The dot is nice regardless of cultivation, however having less than 10klife is going to get you killed farming anything worth farming. Well you could probably get away with having 8 k ish in nirvana, but not tt 3rd acts.

Empu - Sanctuary

Razorburn - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The dot is nice regardless of cultivation, however having less than 10klife is going to get you killed farming anything worth farming. Well you could probably get away with having 8 k ish in nirvana, but not tt 3rd acts.

You must be demon. 5.5k is more then enough to tank vana and stay alive with some crab meat if cleric dies. Myself, with 8.4k hp, can solo 3-3 (except the last armageddon boss) perfectly well.

PhantomThief - Archosaur

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why Incomparable shards? They cost about 17.5m coins each, which isn't much lower than a Citrine Gem, but a Citrine Gem has a lot more life. And unless that is your final plan, you shouldn't be putting that much money into the shards.

And btw, the DoT thing works. I know fellow sages who went with DoTs and they say it worked.

I used Incomparable because I thought they'd be easier to get. but I guess I'm really off base lol.

Thanks for the DoT tip. I wasn't sure If it would make me too squishy to do some of the things I have planned or not.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like your first build better. 5.7k hp with close to 4k phys def is good enough to tank most bosses as sage, and even solo quite a bit. Like said before, lunar ring is really good for extra defence (also refines better on phys def then attendance ring). But that's just a tiny detail. You got a good setup to build on, and who knows you might end up with r9 anyway lol. You will probably graduately up the refines of your weap, then armor and ornaments, during future orb sales.

About the restat you mentioned : take a look at the vana hat, and wether you would want to get that (or decide you don't think it's worth the funds). If you do want to get that hat, best would be to get it and restat your str after.

Thanks for the advice. Like I said above, I was a bit worried I'd be to squishy to do some of what I have planned.

I'll take a look at the helm you mentioned. If I remember correctly, it takes less str, which would let me move more of it into dex.

EDIT: I took a look at the Nirv helm, factored in the restat, and here's the build changes:

http://pwcalc.com/ca46f4716d6792ea

I have slightly less HP, 25 less base str, and an increase in atk and crit.

From what I'm seeing, I think I'll get the first build I posted, then get the hat and restat to fit it.

X_x That's going to be a lot of uncannies though.

Empu - Sanctuary

PhantomThief - Archosaur wrote: »

I used Incomparable because I thought they'd be easier to get. but I guess I'm really off base lol.

Thanks for the DoT tip. I wasn't sure If it would make me too squishy to do some of the things I have planned or not


Thanks for the advice. Like I said above, I was a bit worried I'd be to squishy to do some of what I have planned.

I'll take a look at the helm you mentioned. If I remember correctly, it takes less str, which would let me move more of it into dex.

EDIT: I took a look at the Nirv helm, factored in the restat, and here's the build changes:

http://pwcalc.com/ca46f4716d6792ea

I have slightly less HP, 25 less base str, and an increase in atk and crit.

From what I'm seeing, I think I'll get the first build I posted, then get the hat and restat to fit it.

X_x That's going to be a lot of uncannies though.

Incomparables have to be made, while citrine gems come from packs. Just like flawless are cheaper thanks to the drops in fcc/vana and tokens then making them from average shards.

Btw, I am one of the fellow sage sins sharded with DoT. I consider that on the long run, DoT is the ultimate shard for a sage sin (pve wise at least). Imo, making a sage sin with a vitstone/JoSD build would result in too much survivability. If you can solo 3-3 as a sage sin with +10 on armors, having it filled with vit/def would be a waste. The att lvls will make things faster, and make you more wanted in things like vana. Since a normal person won't shard an armor with vit stones, JoSD or even citrine gems, just as temporary shards and to replace them once armor reaches higher refines, I think going DoT right away is the best choise for long term.

With the posted build, you will do fine tanking vana, and won't need spam heals (you could do it clericless if you have sage bp and crab meat for some of the harder hitting bosses). You will be able to solo (considering with barb/cleric/bm buffs) up to 2-2 I think, and probably 2-3 except ape and ae. You can consider sharding your armor temporarely with flawless citrines, to solo easier while you get refines further up. It will help you solo, but will make you less wanted for vana.

Some consider the hat is not worth the cost, others do. At high refines it will start to give slightly better hp, and better adds. I just think it's better to decide wether you want to get it eventually or if you're not interested. Since you need a restat, better do it good in 1 time.

PhantomThief - Archosaur

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Incomparables have to be made, while citrine gems come from packs. Just like flawless are cheaper thanks to the drops in fcc/vana and tokens then making them from average shards.

Btw, I am one of the fellow sage sins sharded with DoT. I consider that on the long run, DoT is the ultimate shard for a sage sin (pve wise at least). Imo, making a sage sin with a vitstone/JoSD build would result in too much survivability. If you can solo 3-3 as a sage sin with +10 on armors, having it filled with vit/def would be a waste. The att lvls will make things faster, and make you more wanted in things like vana. Since a normal person won't shard an armor with vit stones, JoSD or even citrine gems, just as temporary shards and to replace them once armor reaches higher refines, I think going DoT right away is the best choise for long term.

With the posted build, you will do fine tanking vana, and won't need spam heals (you could do it clericless if you have sage bp and crab meat for some of the harder hitting bosses). You will be able to solo (considering with barb/cleric/bm buffs) up to 2-2 I think, and probably 2-3 except ape and ae. You can consider sharding your armor temporarely with flawless citrines, to solo easier while you get refines further up. It will help you solo, but will make you less wanted for vana.

Some consider the hat is not worth the cost, others do. At high refines it will start to give slightly better hp, and better adds. I just think it's better to decide wether you want to get it eventually or if you're not interested. Since you need a restat, better do it good in 1 time.

Thanks for the help. I think I've got everything ironed out now =D

Also, Sage BP is the sexiest skill on Earth xD It has made me so much more durable.

Kagizyu - Heavens Tear

PhantomThief - Archosaur wrote: »

Thanks for the help. I think I've got everything ironed out now =D

Also, Sage BP is the sexiest skill on Earth xD It has made me so much more durable.

Yes. It. Is.