To all mods and or flaming monkeys. this is a formal request.

Wolfenblood - Harshlands

Attention All mods.
I wolfenblood of the harshlands server have a question for the makers of PWI.
Is it possible to touch up the various patchy areas of the game?

During my travels through perfect world I have found various glitches that have had a nasty habit of coming to my attention at the wrong times while I wander.
For instance when you jump off of various high points in the game you have a landing on air glitch that prevents you from moving unless you use town portal to escape the glitch in question.

Among these there are probably a few graphical glitches in the game that occasionally pop up but this one in particular has prevented me from enjoying whimsical traveling.
It is especially bad at dragons end and can be found in the high mountainous areas west of the frozen sea.

What I want to know is if you guys can begin touching up the many small inconvenient bugs that appear to remain prevalent in this game.
It annoys me to no end and because it is so minor a thing it should be generally easy to clean up no?

I am going to have a poll done on this thread so as to ascertain whether or not the other players feel the same as I do about this.
So please, could you guys do some graphical tidying for us measly players?
Just some touch ups would be nice to see. And maybe a few graphical add ins to the old areas like the city of the lost so that they may match the beauty of the new realm of the earth guard.
Thank you!

LilNai - Harshlands

I dont know anyone who wouldnt like to see the game fixed up like that, but PWE is a bunch of **** and refuse to let it happen. Sorry.

Ligeia - Harshlands

It's like watching a child write a letter to Santa.

Wolfenblood - Harshlands

Ligeia - Harshlands wrote: »

It's like watching a child write a letter to Santa.

Not only that! He actually thinks santa exists!b:victoryb:victoryb:victory

Eoria - Harshlands

Ligeia is Santa! PM him for presents!

Or coal if you've been a bad boy or girl... b:surrender

chaoticshelly

Many of the glitches you've mentioned and will mention in the future have been around since the game was released for open beta in 2008.

There have been no attempt to fix these glitches, despite the community requesting it multiple times. However, that is due to the fact that the US team doesn't perform any coding and adjusting of the game and the responsibility alone is of the Chinese dev team, and I've heard rumors that the original team is no longer employed by PW Beijing which makes it difficult for the current team to fix these initially made glitches.

That said it doesn't mean they shouldn't fix these, it simply means the chances are slim or these "minor" glitches being fixed any time soon.

I'm sorry I can't be of much use here, but mods are players like yourself, and we don't have a lot of information about what is going on in PWE except for special cases.

Aizza - Harshlands

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

I've heard rumors that the original team is no longer employed by PW Beijing which makes it difficult for the current team to fix these initially made glitches.

Any good programmer leaves documentation so their work can be adjusted at later dates -by other programmers > since technology does evolve (or... irritating bugs are found).

So I do not consider this a valid excuse for them to bring to us. Unless of course, it was their intent on this being a short-lived-get-the-$$$-while-the-getting-is-good version?

Wolfenblood - Harshlands

Fear not!
I'm certain that this 30 day poll will at the very least raise awareness of the problem in question.

After all this game has a great amount of quality to it!
It would be a shame not to tidy up the game just a little!
these things are minor so it should be fixable.

I'm just trying to point out that while it may be common it is STILL a problem that impedes gameplay to an extent. so there should be somebody there to gauge just how players feel about it, no?

so vote, and enjoy the conversation in this poll!
b:victoryb:victoryb:victoryb:victory

Crescendia - Harshlands

look how many people DO care, it's sad

tfi3f

Aizza - Harshlands wrote: »

Any good programmer leaves documentation so their work can be adjusted at later dates -by other programmers > since technology does evolve (or... irritating bugs are found).

So I do not consider this a valid excuse for them to bring to us. Unless of course, it was their intent on this being a short-lived-get-the-$$$-while-the-getting-is-good version?

The formalization of documentation with things like UML and the burden of a design model in modern programming environments causes people to be reluctant to document code. Source code comments should suffice with a .txt file in every folder describing what source files will be found there, and a high level documentation file in the root of the source tree detailing logical design principles and directory layout.

Modern IT courses try very hard to adapt programming to become an engineering disciple (labeling it "Software Development", and trying to make programmers care about the business' processes etc). Problem is that programmers already have to deal with frustrating non-technical users and their "I-already-know" attitudes, and then the usually uninformed product specifications, along with the obligatory need to produce regular prototypes and deliverables for management to see.

Users always change their usability requirements mid-development.

"But you all specified that you want a form here, and that the menu must do X, and foo, bar, grep".

"Yea, but I didn't think it would actually look like this."

"We drew out a prototype for you."

"Yea, but this isn't what I wanted. Let's try X"

Projects always run up close to deadlines and past due to changing user requirments, etc. If you have to constantly change the code in the sourcebase, then commenting becomes retardedly tiresome. Last week you wrote code for the UI and it involved drawing windows at X, Y, and Z. The user decided that's "not what he thought it would look like". Today you change it, and then next week you have to rewrite the code again.

Honestly, documentation isn't as easy as it should be. Additionally, an experienced team of programmers will produce neat code regardless of actual commenting, so another experienced team will easily be able to grep the sourcebase. I think the problem with PW is simply bad original coding, leading to subsequent unmanageable source code.

Aizza - Harshlands

tfi3f wrote: »

The formalization of documentation with things like UML and the burden of a design model in modern programming environments causes people to be reluctant to document code. Source code comments should suffice with a .txt file in every folder describing what source files will be found there, and a high level documentation file in the root of the source tree detailing logical design principles and directory layout..

My policy for my web developers is that no application, script, or any type of interactive interface will go live until it has been tested, and full documentation exists. Documentation is also built into our project timelines.

Each time a script/programming change is required, there is also a trail of documentation and signoffs for testing as well as a rollback plan.

Honestly there is no excuse for not having documentation.... and it is necessary, say for example there is a conversion in the language or a hole discovered, you would have to know where you are using that specific string, in order to go back and rewrite it.

Unless, you only meant for this application/program to have a specific life and not evolve over time.

Wolfenblood - Harshlands

tfi3f wrote: »

The formalization of documentation with things like UML and the burden of a design model in modern programming environments causes people to be reluctant to document code. Source code comments should suffice with a .txt file in every folder describing what source files will be found there, and a high level documentation file in the root of the source tree detailing logical design principles and directory layout.

Modern IT courses try very hard to adapt programming to become an engineering disciple (labeling it "Software Development", and trying to make programmers care about the business' processes etc). Problem is that programmers already have to deal with frustrating non-technical users and their "I-already-know" attitudes, and then the usually uninformed product specifications, along with the obligatory need to produce regular prototypes and deliverables for management to see.

Users always change their usability requirements mid-development.

"But you all specified that you want a form here, and that the menu must do X, and foo, bar, grep".

"Yea, but I didn't think it would actually look like this."

"We drew out a prototype for you."

"Yea, but this isn't what I wanted. Let's try X"

Projects always run up close to deadlines and past due to changing user requirments, etc. If you have to constantly change the code in the sourcebase, then commenting becomes retardedly tiresome. Last week you wrote code for the UI and it involved drawing windows at X, Y, and Z. The user decided that's "not what he thought it would look like". Today you change it, and then next week you have to rewrite the code again.

Honestly, documentation isn't as easy as it should be. Additionally, an experienced team of programmers will produce neat code regardless of actual commenting, so another experienced team will easily be able to grep the sourcebase. I think the problem with PW is simply bad original coding, leading to subsequent unmanageable source code.

Yeah! what he said! ;Db:victoryb:victory

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

Many of the glitches you've mentioned and will mention in the future have been around since the game was released for open beta in 2008.

There have been no attempt to fix these glitches, despite the community requesting it multiple times. However, that is due to the fact that the US team doesn't perform any coding and adjusting of the game and the responsibility alone is of the Chinese dev team, and I've heard rumors that the original team is no longer employed by PW Beijing which makes it difficult for the current team to fix these initially made glitches.

That said it doesn't mean they shouldn't fix these, it simply means the chances are slim or these "minor" glitches being fixed any time soon.

I'm sorry I can't be of much use here, but mods are players like yourself, and we don't have a lot of information about what is going on in PWE except for special cases.

can somebody please find these "special cases" and get some help on this?

_Althea_ - Harshlands

I blame this thread for Shelly lurking in Harshlands sub forum.

b:cry Damn you adventurer!

Wolfenblood - Harshlands

Guys we still need more votes on this thread.
ask your friends their opinion and get more activity here if you can!
TYVM!b:thanks

Saveless - Harshlands

Wolfenblood - Harshlands wrote: »

Guys we still need more votes on this thread.
ask your friends their opinion and get more activity here if you can!
TYVM!b:thanks

This game sucks....and when I say it sucks, I mean even fixing every little thing in the game will still end up being a boring and dull game.

Wolfenblood - Harshlands

Saveless - Harshlands wrote: »

This game sucks....and when I say it sucks, I mean even fixing every little thing in the game will still end up being a boring and dull game.

that's the point of overall quality improvement!
fixing the bugs should be a given before putting new and more exciting stuff in the game.
I'm just trying to raise awareness of a regular problem to see how many actually think it needs to be fixed.
whether or not it is fixed is up to the guys who do all that stuff with computer stuff and stuff like that! =/b:sad