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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Can you calculate how it can be possible?

    There are 20,000 players at one server (for example).

    1,000 of them buy gold (about 10 gold every month each).

    8 gold of those 10 they use for own purposes (consumable items, bounded items etc.)

    2,000 of gold left (per month).

    How can 19,000 other players can get at least 10 gold each per month (to buy own consumable items, bounded items etc.) ?

    P.S.
    This is how it works: 1,000 or even less of 19,000 get gold, other 18,000 players work hard to get something (nothing ?).
    Those calculations are flawed. According to them, at any given time during one month, the amount of gold in circulation= Number of players/10. Assuming there are anywhere between 20,000-50,000 players on a server, the amount of gold in circulation is 2,000-5,000. If those calculations were correct, a rich player would be able to buy out all the gold in circulation, buy whatever item he wants from the cash shop, and charge any ludicrous price for those items, which the other 19,000-47,500 players would have to pay if they wanted to acquire the item within the next month. However, now the player is even richer, so next month he could buy out all the gold again. Seeing how that hasn't happened, we can safely assume that your calculations are flawed.
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Can you calculate how it can be possible?

    There are 20,000 players at one server (for example).

    1,000 of them buy gold (about 10 gold every month each).

    8 gold of those 10 they use for own purposes (consumable items, bounded items etc.)

    2,000 of gold left (per month).

    that estimate is way off.

    track the gold market for yourself; take a day (on the weekend, say) to check in on it every hour or two and see how the bids change, to get an estimate of how many bids are fulfilled per hour. try to check it more intensely during shorter periods of time, at very different times of day, to get a feel for the frequency and size of the shorter-lived bids nearer the "going price" of gold --- those will change quite a bit over the day and through the week, so checking on it just once isn't enough to give you the full picture. track the market less frequently --- once or twice per day, say --- for a week, to get a feel for the weekly cycle.

    then try estimating how much gold actually moves through the market, per hour, per day, and per week. on heaven's tear at least it's easily thousands per day, not per month.

    as for where it's all coming from --- i've no idea. yet in the market it is.
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    Those calculations are flawed. According to them, at any given time during one month, the amount of gold in circulation= Number of players/10. Assuming there are anywhere between 20,000-50,000 players on a server, the amount of gold in circulation is 2,000-5,000....

    1. This is just example.
    You can set any starting numbers, but result will be same:gold can not be made from the air.
    Someone must buy it, pay for it real money.
    And if you can buy R9 with +12, then someone paid for it and gold gone.
    More, there are no such "friends" that will pay for everyone in this game.
    So, someone will be without R9 and even R8.
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    ...If those calculations were correct, a rich player would be able to buy out all the gold in circulation, buy whatever item he wants from the cash shop, and charge any ludicrous price for those items, which the other 19,000-47,500 players would have to pay if they wanted to acquire the item within the next month. However, now the player is even richer, so next month he could buy out all the gold again. Seeing how that hasn't happened, we can safely assume that your calculations are flawed.
    2. That what happens.
    Of course, one man can't be at market 24/24 and click with speed more than 1/second, this is why it is impossible to see such events (that all gold will be at one account).
    But I posted example screenshot already: http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2917/asdf111.jpg .
    Here is yet one : http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3465/phantome.jpg.
    And don't tell me that it is bounty.
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  • Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear
    Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,541 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Nice trailer... Too bad the games quality isn't much like the quality you see in the trailer though... Wonder who will win... I'm betting on either China or Japan (no offence here guys)... b:pleased
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    BigHearts member... f:grin
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    1. This is just example.
    You can set any starting numbers, but result will be same:gold can not be made from the air.
    Someone must buy it, pay for it real money.
    And if you can buy R9 with +12, then someone paid for it and gold gone.
    More, there are no such "friends" that will pay for everyone in this game.
    So, someone will be without R9 and even R8.


    2. That what happens.
    Of course, one man can't be at market 24/24 and click with speed more than 1/second, this is why it is impossible to see such events (that all gold will be at one account).
    But I posted example screenshot already: http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2917/asdf111.jpg .
    Here is yet one : http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3465/phantome.jpg.
    And don't tell me that it is bounty.
    You seem to be saying that the reason people can not buy rank is because of a lack of gold. However, you seem to be assuming that everybody on the server will be buying rank 9 at exactly the same time. You also seem to be assuming that gold price will stay static. If 19,000 people suddenly try to buy 1k gold each at the same exact time, prices are going to shoot up higher than ever before. A lot of gold may leave the game each month, but a lot also comes in each month. There is definitely more than Population/10 amount of gold in game at any given time during a month. Also, as the supply of gold is reduced, and the demand stays high, the price of gold will go up. As a result, it's likely that people will either stop buying gold until it goes back down, or tons of csers will be charging to sell gold while it's still so high. I doubt that PWI will ever suffer from a gold shortage.
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    Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    You seem to be saying that the reason people can not buy rank is because of a lack of gold. However, you seem to be assuming that everybody on the server will be buying rank 9 at exactly the same time. You also seem to be assuming that gold price will stay static. If 19,000 people suddenly try to buy 1k gold each at the same exact time, prices are going to shoot up higher than ever before. A lot of gold may leave the game each month, but a lot also comes in each month. There is definitely more than Population/10 amount of gold in game at any given time during a month. Also, as the supply of gold is reduced, and the demand stays high, the price of gold will go up. As a result, it's likely that people will either stop buying gold until it goes back down, or tons of csers will be charging to sell gold while it's still so high. I doubt that PWI will ever suffer from a gold shortage.

    You saw 2 screenshots: one is few days old, other one 1 year old (read this thread as source for screenshot).

    Don't you see difference in prices of gold ?

    It is exactly 1 million coins.
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You saw 2 screenshots: one is few days old, other one 1 year old (read this thread as source for screenshot).

    Don't you see difference in prices of gold ?

    It is exactly 1 million coins.
    If demand increases, even if the supply of gold is the same, gold price will go up. A raise in price alone does not signify a gold shortage. It just indicates a higher demand. Once sales end, demand goes down, and gold price goes down since there is a large supply of gold in the market and not enough buyers.
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    Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    If demand increases, even if the supply of gold is the same, gold price will go up. A raise in price alone does not signify a gold shortage. It just indicates a higher demand. Once sales end, demand goes down, and gold price goes down since there is a large supply of gold in the market and not enough buyers.
    It can't drop back to 314k.

    It is more than few month ago.

    And there is no return.

    1. Demand is always more than supply of gold.
    2. Not everyone can buy gold for such "small" prices like now.

    Of course, price of gold will drop as it was before after sales of CS items, but then it will rise even more.
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You can set any starting numbers, but result will be same:gold can not be made from the air.

    sure it can. the entire gold market --- buy offers, sell offers, asking prices and quantities --- are just numbers in a computer. they can easily be set to any number.

    we're all of us assuming that PWE doesn't just create gold out of thin air to sell on the market --- or create coin that way to buy gold off the market --- as a way to control gold prices, and this assumption is probably valid. but it's no physical impossibility; they COULD do that if they wanted, and if they don't it's down to a policy decision on PWE's part, nothing more.

    that said, so long as the gold supply is in some sense limited then yes, there's a limit to how many R9's can be created how quickly. you do have a point there. but i see no reason to assume that the gold market's trading volume is the main bottleneck on rank 9 rings being created; there's not generally any perceptible shortage of gold for sale --- just a shortage of gold for sale cheaply. pesky gold sellers wanting to maximize their profits!
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  • Susamajii - Lost City
    Susamajii - Lost City Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LC team sounds uncharacteristically humble in this interview o.o

    You don't know us that's why :P
    Nice to see MMOsite readers agree that this is pretty pointless.

    Also:

    Quote:
    No one has a major advantage over anyone else in this game unless there is something about the game that is unknown to most.
    Riiiiight.

    Well that was my quote and what I meant was that on the PWIC server where everyone has literally the same gear there is no advantage over anyone else there. This tournament will be based on teamwork and being able to use your character and class better than the other team.

    Also.. the site says I'm a veno and Sneakery is a barb NyKage is an Assassin and QuickClaw is a Blademaster might as well have not even put our classes down lmao

    PS: @ Tremblewith u mad bro? Serious case of butthurtitis.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »
    Well that was my quote and what I meant was that on the PWIC server where everyone has literally the same gear there is no advantage over anyone else there. This tournament will be based on teamwork and being able to use your character and class better than the other team.

    Fair enough then, but still:
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    but then it should be ''No one has a major advantage over anyone else in this competition''.

    Sadly the playing field wasn't quite that even for determining each server's champions , but meh, whatcha gonna expect from a game like pwi.
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  • Raging_Blade - Raging Tide
    Raging_Blade - Raging Tide Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    well i going to say Gratz to the Lost City team and kick there ***** b:victory
  • TCHP - Lost City
    TCHP - Lost City Posts: 577 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    VISA POWER !

    mine is in the ice block in the fridge...

    and it feels good !
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  • LeFEMME - Lost City
    LeFEMME - Lost City Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Nice to know that kitamura speaks portuguese as well b:chuckle
  • Susamajii - Lost City
    Susamajii - Lost City Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sadly the playing field wasn't quite that even for determining each server's champions , but meh, whatcha gonna expect from a game like pwi.

    Strangely enough on our server Instinct's team was probably the best geared. They had 2 characters with almost full +12, one did have it the other was like 2 pieces off. I was probably my teams best geared at full +11 with 2 pieces +12.

    This just makes me smile when i look at people claiming only the best geared people win. Sure we had very similar gear but overall they had better gear yet still lost. Someone explain this to me? b:shutup
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  • devotion
    devotion Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Jesus. People still think PW has any possibility to resemble skill? Not only is it an MMO but it's a F2P MMO.

    F2P(money) MMO(randomness).

    The skill ceiling on this game is extremely low, you can learn all you need to be the best in under two days. Even if the game happened to actually be balanced the only thing that separates the "top" players is randomness.

    The one thing that this game does require though is teamwork. I never saw the Instinct v TriForce fight but assuming they are similarly geared the only factors that determine the winner is randomness and teamwork.

    Unfortunately teamwork doesn't really extend beyond basic communication and a solid game plan. This leaves MMOs at the most boring thing to ever happen to competition. If you are playing a game because you like competition play starcraft 2 or quake.
    I like to rub it in. Enjoying the game?
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    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3518732&postcount=17
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3986762&postcount=6
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  • Nniotora - Lost City
    Nniotora - Lost City Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »
    Strangely enough on our server Instinct's team was probably the best geared. They had 2 characters with almost full +12, one did have it the other was like 2 pieces off. I was probably my teams best geared at full +11 with 2 pieces +12.

    This just makes me smile when i look at people claiming only the best geared people win. Sure we had very similar gear but overall they had better gear yet still lost. Someone explain this to me? b:shutup

    i want names off those full +12 cuz we have none and superhands jsut got his +12 1 week ago care to explain?
    100% F2P legit 105 since starting this game. Full rank9 jaded +12 seeker. .tinyurl.com/nocashshopHaters gona hate cuz they cant play a game
  • Calvin - Lost City
    Calvin - Lost City Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Our skills make us full +12. Unfortunately, our gears in game are low refined. Even if we beat Tri-Force in that fight, we are going to lose in the PVE contest against the other servers. Tri-Force represent us Lost City server would be a better choice over Instinct.
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Calvin - Lost City wrote: »
    Our skills make us full +12. Unfortunately, our gears in game are low refined. Even if we beat Tri-Force in that fight, we are going to lose in the PVE contest against the other servers. Tri-Force represent us Lost City server would be a better choice over Instinct.

    don't start being bitter after three years. seriously, i've developed too much respect for you as a player, just to lose it all when you start crying and making excuses for losing a fun and well matched fight.
  • NicKmEiSteR - Lost City
    NicKmEiSteR - Lost City Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »
    i want names off those full +12 cuz we have none and superhands jsut got his +12 1 week ago care to explain?

    i 2nd that
    names or GTFO with lies pl0x
  • Swannx - Archosaur
    Swannx - Archosaur Posts: 252 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Lol @ all the hate comments under the article... this whole publicity stunt just backfired ahahaha.
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  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    negativereaction wrote: »
    don't start being bitter after three years. seriously, i've developed too much respect for you as a player, just to lose it all when you start crying and making excuses for losing a fun and well matched fight.

    A fun and well matched fight against harpy wraith? what did that have to do with pvp?
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »
    A fun and well matched fight against harpy wraith? what did that have to do with pvp?
    Harpy Wraith cheated. HP hax. QQ
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    Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks
  • Susamajii - Lost City
    Susamajii - Lost City Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »
    i want names off those full +12 cuz we have none and superhands jsut got his +12 1 week ago care to explain?

    KindaBusy is and was at the time full +12 SuperHands had all but 2 pieces +12.
    Push me,
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    Tilll I get my,
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  • LeFEMME - Lost City
    LeFEMME - Lost City Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Some pics n more b:bye


    http://pwic.wanmei.com/index.htm
  • Calvin - Lost City
    Calvin - Lost City Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    negativereaction wrote: »
    don't start being bitter after three years. seriously, i've developed too much respect for you as a player, just to lose it all when you start crying and making excuses for losing a fun and well matched fight.

    me has respectz?!!! tyty
    what me meanz is Instinct's pvp skills<Tri-Force's
    that's all me angrish badbad sryz
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  • Bearish - Sanctuary
    Bearish - Sanctuary Posts: 264 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Swannx - Archosaur wrote: »
    Lol @ all the hate comments under the article... this whole publicity stunt just backfired ahahaha.

    yea the comments were more interesting than the article
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  • Nareeah - Lost City
    Nareeah - Lost City Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »
    KindaBusy is and was at the time full +12 SuperHands had all but 2 pieces +12.

    lol
    and how does ONE full +12
    and ONE half at that time is BETTER GEAR THEN 3F?

    u so full of BS that i hope u have a toilet nearby
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    In this thread, other servers struggle to give a **** about Lost City drama.

    Everyone knows the Tunnel Snakes would've won the whole tournament if we had only been allowed to compete. b:cool
    I <3 AGOREY
  • LeFEMME - Lost City
    LeFEMME - Lost City Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    What I've realized from all this stuff is:

    1 - Major fault belongs to PWI staff, since we couldn't get fights against servers like other versions of pw could, so in the end we just sent the "best" team at pve...

    2 - The best player of the game (not my words) triple spark when he's nervous...or scared

    3 - When we equate players in gear, people who are the best in their server (because they just point and click, wise words from longknife) seems to not play so good as thought...

    4 - If we want to win this stuff in the future we need to send people who play like Transcend played...

    5 - My English sucks. b:shutup

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