Lets talk about DPS
Dream_Kiss - Sanctuary
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Hey guys!
I dont really understand how to improve DPS of your pet. And I need some info on this.
So. I grind with my Kowlin. Please dont judge me, I know it doesnt have high DPS, but I just dont feel like running around with a Nazgul walked away from LOTR.
It has Bash 4, FR 4, Pierce 2 and Howl 1. I click a mob, use Ironwood, pet uses bash and FR, and I use venomous till it is dead.
1: I dont use pierce ever, because I have ironwood on every mob. Should I replace this with an elemental bash for more DPS? Does that indeed give more DPS?
2: I barely use howl for the fact I steal agro. And also, when the pet uses howl, in those seconds, he cannot attack, so I dont know if my increase in damage from howl is worth an attack less on the pet. So again, replace this with an elemental bash? Will that give me more DPS?
I dont use kowling as a "Debuff" pet, I dont see the uses. I have ironwood myself and cleric always uses a m.def debuff. (in squad). When I am soloing a boss I use my magmite anyway.
And I dont like my magmite for grinding because it is so large and walks so damn slow. Really annoying.
Well thanks all! Sorry for the long text!
I dont really understand how to improve DPS of your pet. And I need some info on this.
So. I grind with my Kowlin. Please dont judge me, I know it doesnt have high DPS, but I just dont feel like running around with a Nazgul walked away from LOTR.
It has Bash 4, FR 4, Pierce 2 and Howl 1. I click a mob, use Ironwood, pet uses bash and FR, and I use venomous till it is dead.
1: I dont use pierce ever, because I have ironwood on every mob. Should I replace this with an elemental bash for more DPS? Does that indeed give more DPS?
2: I barely use howl for the fact I steal agro. And also, when the pet uses howl, in those seconds, he cannot attack, so I dont know if my increase in damage from howl is worth an attack less on the pet. So again, replace this with an elemental bash? Will that give me more DPS?
I dont use kowling as a "Debuff" pet, I dont see the uses. I have ironwood myself and cleric always uses a m.def debuff. (in squad). When I am soloing a boss I use my magmite anyway.
And I dont like my magmite for grinding because it is so large and walks so damn slow. Really annoying.
Well thanks all! Sorry for the long text!
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Bash, claw..
Don't really ever expect to keep aggro on a Kowlin though unless you want to spend all day killing mobs by not attacking.0 -
veno pet are static b:surrender
the pet system didn't allow for uniqueness
as we can see on current end game, veno pet sort kind of left behind
This is an opportunity for pwe. Copy pasta boi or fw pet system then call it as new veno pet expansion for pwi. b:pleased
Then we can see increase on ven pet dps. It will increase greatly on pet with very high growth.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Sorry i speak engrish b:chuckle
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JanusZeal is just an idiot troll. -Ignore that buttmunch
You don't want to look at just pet dps, but what you can do with that pet. Howl is very good on anything that takes a while to kill that doesn't have a cleric or mystic debuffing. If you're running into aggro issues; it's not the pets fault as much as your own.
Could you kill faster by allowing pet to hit first? Could you do something rather than hit like S.Soul Degeneration -> Amp -> Ironwood before DD'ing? By leveling howl; could you kill mobs before they could reach you?
In my personal experience; the Hercules pet allows me time to s.soul degeneration -> amp -> ironwood -> kill Lv.99 instance mobs w/o having to heal and before I steal aggro and they reach me. More frequent pet healing means less dps from you.0 -
JanusZeal is just an idiot troll. -Ignore that buttmunch
Butthurt much that Janus proved to the whole forum ur the one who is trolling ???[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »Butthurt much that Janus proved to the whole forum ur the one who is trolling ???
Only thing he/you proved is he's a troll with multiple accounts, some of which are banned.0 -
Dream_Kiss - Sanctuary wrote: »So. I grind with my Kowlin. Please dont judge me, I know it doesnt have high DPS, but I just dont feel like running around with a Nazgul walked away from LOTR.
i named my dark wanderer "ash_nazg"... b:surrender
i don't have a kowlin, so i can't be sure how that pet works. with the wanderer, i can usually keep aggro on it --- the main problem is keeping it healed.It has Bash 4, FR 4, Pierce 2 and Howl 1. I click a mob, use Ironwood, pet uses bash and FR, and I use venomous till it is dead.
what skill is on autolaunch? should be bash. send the pet to attack by manually firing ream, consider holding off on your ironwood until the pet autolaunches bash once.
you use nothing but ironwood and venomous? my own series when playing human form is more like, send pet -> ironwood -> blazing (for chi, and because it doesn't give me much aggro) -> lucky -> possibly a venomous. normal mobs are usually dead around this point.1: I dont use pierce ever, because I have ironwood on every mob. Should I replace this with an elemental bash for more DPS? Does that indeed give more DPS?
2: I barely use howl for the fact I steal agro. And also, when the pet uses howl, in those seconds, he cannot attack, so I dont know if my increase in damage from howl is worth an attack less on the pet. So again, replace this with an elemental bash? Will that give me more DPS?
1: i use pierce on my wanderer, but that's because i play in fox form about half the time and plan on using it even more. if you have no such plans then replacing it with something else might be worthwhile. keeping two bashes firing can be quite distracting, though, even if one of them is on autolaunch --- i do this with my cloud skatefish, and i tend to overlook a lot of the second bash's cooldowns. (it sure does hold aggro well, though...)
2: i have howl on my wanderer too, but i don't always need it. it's good on inc life or inc mag res mobs, as well as on bosses. damage-wise, increasing your own magic damage will MORE than make up for one or two missed autoattacks from your pet --- especially since you're stealing aggro from it, you know you can outdamage it. consider saving it for when you need to do more hurt than usual, on bosses or inc life mobs after aggro has been solidly established?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »i named my dark wanderer "ash_nazg"... b:surrender
i don't have a kowlin, so i can't be sure how that pet works. with the wanderer, i can usually keep aggro on it --- the main problem is keeping it healed.
what skill is on autolaunch? should be bash. send the pet to attack by manually firing ream, consider holding off on your ironwood until the pet autolaunches bash once.
you use nothing but ironwood and venomous? my own series when playing human form is more like, send pet -> ironwood -> blazing (for chi, and because it doesn't give me much aggro) -> lucky -> possibly a venomous. normal mobs are usually dead around this point.
1: i use pierce on my wanderer, but that's because i play in fox form about half the time and plan on using it even more. if you have no such plans then replacing it with something else might be worthwhile. keeping two bashes firing can be quite distracting, though, even if one of them is on autolaunch --- i do this with my cloud skatefish, and i tend to overlook a lot of the second bash's cooldowns. (it sure does hold aggro well, though...)
2: i have howl on my wanderer too, but i don't always need it. it's good on inc life or inc mag res mobs, as well as on bosses. damage-wise, increasing your own magic damage will MORE than make up for one or two missed autoattacks from your pet --- especially since you're stealing aggro from it, you know you can outdamage it. consider saving it for when you need to do more hurt than usual, on bosses or inc life mobs after aggro has been solidly established?
Wow thanks, I didnt expect to get such detailed help! The problem with 2 bashes is indeed what you say, should be kinda stressful to keep clicking it ^^ I do have bash on auto, and thanks I will consider my own attacks!
How do you use foxform? When grinding also? Are you HA/LA? Or is it just for amp and such?
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Only thing he/you proved is he's a troll with multiple accounts, some of which are banned.
Lmao u cant get even funnier , just admit it , he has fans who support him.Dont use the usual Multiple account excusion to cover the fact that noone likes ya or that ur a troll, People have realised what u are. why dont u try to post on ur Veno avatar and not hiding behind ur cleric.
@Dream_Kiss , Foxform can be used with any build. Heavy - Arcane or Pure heavy are common choices , light armor isnt reliable any more though.it makes u weak to both elements while heavy or heavy arcane gives boost to both types of dmg.Cant say much though since im arcane only veno. I use foxform to amplify purge and leech occasionally( i plan to use it more later)
I had a Kowlin In private server , the pet works as a Fine DD noone will accuse u with that.the problem isnt his damage , its his defences and HP. That is why it doesnt allow most venos to grind with it efficiently , when they are alone. A wanderer has better Hp and Phys Def (crappiest magic def though) thats why its considered a better grind pet. ( i have it on Phoenix_Eye).
however on a boss kill , kowlin is good since it can Debuff like any other pet.
Imo replace pierce with a skill like Threaten (reduces mobs physical attack dmg, both good for u and ur pet , especially for those annoying range mobs). Roar could be used to get aggro back , but thats only useful on really hard mobs or bosses , but if u are alone u wouldnt kill a boss with a kowlin. (unless it can tank it).
Howl is nice , but u wont see much difference if the skill u use is just venomous or ironwood.Like Lenie said , Using other skills makes a difference. Have u tried opening with Blazing scarab. It does basic wepaon dmg and a mere DoT , it lets ur pet establish aggro with both its attacks , and u gai na nice bunch oh 20 chi. then use ironwood , continue with Nox or venomous and throw in Lucky for a big chunk of dmg + an extra stun which can work as an interupt at times.
Leveling bash and Flesh Ream to 5 at lvl 80 will make a difference in ur pet aggro . But keep in mind that the more they lvl , the more venos steal aggro. Some actually end up tanking the mobs instead of their pets , since they do it quite fast .[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Dream_Kiss - Sanctuary wrote: »How do you use foxform? When grinding also? Are you HA/LA? Or is it just for amp and such?
i use fox form in regular grinding, for a break from the boring routine and as practice for eventually restating to HA. it works decently well even though i'm still AA, and it also tends to build up those first two sparks pretty quickly when i'm starting cold after logging in. autoattacking seems to build chi even faster than just spamming blazing / noxious.
having a maxed-out melee mastery and highly leveled consume spirit / leech really helps when i'm foxed.
it's not hard to do --- i send the pet in, usually follow close after with a befuddling mist, then i let myself autoattack until the pet needs healing. possibly i keep befuddling up. when my HP and/or MP starts dropping, i spam consume spirit and leech to get them back up.
i use pierce on my DD pet instead of ironwood; i amp on inc life mobs and anything else that'll live long enough to make me feel like amping's useful. on stuff that requires my glacial walker to tank i rarely if ever go fox, so it lacking pierce doesn't really hurt me.
stunning blow is occasionally useful. malefic crush is useful more often, though i can't find the spirit to level it past 1 so far.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »Lmao u cant get even funnier , just admit it , he has fans who support him.Dont use the usual Multiple account excusion to cover the fact that noone likes ya or that ur a troll, People have realised what u are. why dont u try to post on ur Veno avatar and not hiding behind ur cleric.
He/She's a forum bully and the reason many people just plain don't bother posting here. Of course they're going to have fans, most bullies do; and they for the most part go uncontested.@Dream_Kiss , Foxform can be used with any build. Heavy - Arcane or Pure heavy are common choices , light armor isnt reliable any more though.it makes u weak to both elements while heavy or heavy arcane gives boost to both types of dmg.Cant say much though since im arcane only veno. I use foxform to amplify purge and leech occasionally( i plan to use it more later)
Are you going by TT, Nirvana, Rank, or what with that broad sweeping claim of defense? You might want to look more at Nirvana. Heavy really isn't a common choice. There are no heavy rank equips for veno aside from ornaments almost no one bothers with, pet healing is gimped with heavy, and any typical heavy class is going to out perform a veno.I had a Kowlin In private server , the pet works as a Fine DD noone will accuse u with that.the problem isnt his damage , its his defences and HP.
I will. Kowlin is **** as DD. It does come with nice debuffs, but it's not a simple catch and use pet like a Lunar Lupin or the best DD pets are.however on a boss kill , kowlin is good since it can Debuff like any other pet.
Imo replace pierce with a skill like Threaten (reduces mobs physical attack dmg, both good for u and ur pet , especially for those annoying range mobs).
When you reduce a boss's patk; it's only temporary (throwing cleric's expectations off), you reduce reflect dmg, and thereby reduce tank's aggro. Threaten can also cause aggro to shift to your pet for a dmg reducing skill (and pet loses 1-2 attacks as well).Howl is nice , but u wont see much difference if the skill u use is just venomous or ironwood.Like Lenie said , Using other skills makes a difference. Have u tried opening with Blazing scarab. It does basic wepaon dmg and a mere DoT , it lets ur pet establish aggro with both its attacks , and u gai na nice bunch oh 20 chi. then use ironwood , continue with Nox or venomous and throw in Lucky for a big chunk of dmg + an extra stun which can work as an interupt at times.
Blazing Scarab is one of your worst skills. Howl is one of the most useful pet skills as clerics will rarely use Elemental Seal, and Howl very often reduces the amount of hits per kill. You don't have to believe me and pay money to find out though: just catch yourself a Lunar Lupin and try it out.Leveling bash and Flesh Ream to 5 at lvl 80 will make a difference in ur pet aggro . But keep in mind that the more they lvl , the more venos steal aggro. Some actually end up tanking the mobs instead of their pets , since they do it quite fast .
Any other mage or range class will attempt to kill mobs before they get close enough to hit. Also, by playing a veno; you have more opportunity than most other classes to play around with aggro to discover it's intricacies. Controlling aggro was a major part of the game before squishy assassins came along and demanded clerics use Regeneration Aura on every boss.0 -
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Actually, I often squad with Clerics that never use their seals in BHs and Nirvanas. They just completely ignore the fact that they have decent debuffs or simply don't want to bother I guess.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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JanusZeal is just an idiot troll. -Ignore that buttmunchOnly thing he/you proved is he's a troll with multiple accounts, some of which are banned.He/She's a forum bully and the reason many people just plain don't bother posting here. Of course they're going to have fans, most bullies do; and they for the most part go uncontested.
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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »Actually, I often squad with Clerics that never use their seals in BHs and Nirvanas. They just completely ignore the fact that they have decent debuffs or simply don't want to bother I guess.
I apologize on behalf of my people for all the nabby clerics out there -.- since im always the cleric in the squad i guess i never knew so many of us didnt use our sexy deuffs T.TYeah my sig doesn't match my name...i would say im being all clever and trying to confuse people...but im really just too lazy to make a new one
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His "ban" detector is broken too, along with whatever matter is in his head to think up the things he does. b:chuckleSashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »is your mirror broken or something?
Too dumb to venture I suppose that he's the bully and most forum goers that post are tired of his ****. Translation: Janus is a buttmunch and you're all his mind slaves.0 -
TrueHarmony - Archosaur wrote: »I apologize on behalf of my people for all the nabby clerics out there -.- since im always the cleric in the squad i guess i never knew so many of us didnt use our sexy deuffs T.T
b:cry if you only knew... guess Desdi and I always got bad luck with cleric xDDD .
Now that i retired my veno to play cleric ( yes i'll res your dead corpe) ... i always get crappy veno QQ
On the other note... blazing scarab is the crappiest skill ever, DoT ? this one is so low it doesnt worth casting it .
@ OP, Kowlin HP is so low you will regret removing the debuff skill at higher level . Mine is lv100 and only use it in nirvana cause of his debuff... not mentioning if he gets hitted he lost almost all his HP... i res him like 2 or 3 times per run . b:cry Squishyyyyyy pet0 -
Foxform lets you drop soul degeneration and amplify damage - even on normal mobs, that starts to be worth it around level 90.
You can't really improve pet DPS much. The faction-base claw-like petskill, I suppose is one way (but good-luck getting that!)
Moderately competent pets can be improved by adding more bash-likes, of course. Working out whether firing those on a pet or firing off debuffs and improving your own damage is better is something I'm going to leave to you.
Frankly, I mostly AOE grind - which means using the herc, who has no room for skills anyway.0 -
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SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »is your mirror broken or something?
You're not really setting an example are you? b:bye
I do blame the admins or whoever is in control here. I'd love a harassment free forum, but since they allow it, bring it on. Lets fill this forum with garbage talk, harassment, misinformation just like JanusZeal and his/her previous accounts since it's already trash.0 -
Tweakz couldn't possibly be getting the **** he gets because of his "garbage talk" "harassment" and "misinformation" he spews to other posters concerning said posters' builds amirite? Poor tweakz is such a victim -- strange how no one feels bad for said victim? Hmm wonder why. Must be brainwashed? b:cuteYou're not really setting an example are you? b:bye
I do blame the admins or whoever is in control here. I'd love a harassment free forum, but since they allow it, bring it on. Lets fill this forum with garbage talk, harassment, misinformation just like JanusZeal and his/her previous accounts since it's already trash.
Keep feigning ignorance tweakz. I post how your information is fail and in accordance with you and yourself and not the posters' circumstance they personally are in (called catering advice to ppl other than yourself) and you post I'm a pedo and then cry about personal attacks. Drama queen much?0 -
JanusZeal basically talks MAJOR mess and gives the WORST advice EVER, but all of you PvE fails seem to really think he's the boss. I don't understand it. He plays PvE but wants to talk like he has authority in PvP...and any 2x2 MORON who actually does world PvP on a veno will tell you that he's talking UTTER BS.
Do you know the reason you hardly see PvP venos posting in Venomancer section? It's because everytime you come and actually say something that makes sense, and quote from your own PvP experiences, a PvE loud mouth will come and say some stupid mess that he thinks is SO WITTY, and all he's doing is talking UTTER BS. Look at it: Harshlands sub-forum has the HIGHEST postcount of all the server subforums...and there are lots of venos posting there. Why don't PvP venos post in their own class subforum?? It's because you see SO MUCH FAIL being talked by loud mouthed PvE venos that you just give up.
And almost EVERY time a loudmouthed PvE veno says something stupid, he always has to qualify it with: "Well, In MY experience...", or "Well, I don't care about what you do with YOUR VENO, but such-and-such works for ME", or "Well, I THINK that...", or "Nobody cares, it's about playing style. There is no one way to play veno" and other stupid, SUBJECTIVE trash that is not backed by experience.
Of COURSE there's a right way to do everything. For BMs, there's a CORRECT way to stunlock. For barbs, there's a CORRECT way to make sure you don't end up missing all your hits due to low accuracy. For Wizards, there's a CORRECT way to set up your ultis. When you see a wizard for example, drop BIDS on a barb without using Undine Strike first, or without depleting his HP down to just before his charm ticks, you know you just saw a NOOB wiz. Even if he manages to kill the barb, you know that he would have lost to a BETTER opponent. You don't drop BIDS on a barb with full HP. That's a NOOB move. You don't even have to have played a wiz to know things like that. They are established facts.
In the same manner, there are CORRECT ways to use a veno. And you all fail miserably because you never listen, and only want to voice your "opinions" about your own "playstyle" and what "works for you". Keep sniffing JanusZeal's batty.
There's a VERY simple question you should answer before replying with some stupid trash, since I know most of you will be gunning to do just that: Why is there STILL not a single pure PvP guide (as in, only about PvP, and specifically made to teach PvP) for venos stickied at the top of this forum, when a veno with a +4 r8 weapon can EASILY 2 shot a barb with 24K HP and +10 nirvana gear? Why is it that after YEARS of the game having come out, venos are the ONLY class where their subforum is COMPLETELY clueless about how to PvP?
Every question about PvP in this subforum is filled with answers like, "Well, I use such-and-such", or "I've found that such-and-such...", or "Well, lol I don't PvP much, but such-and-such". No proper combos, no established veno PvP protocols. Just EGOTISTICALLY STUPID posts FULL of UTTER BS about what the poster "thinks" works "for him". Go to any other subforum and see if PvP questions are answered like that. Everything is "lolidunno lul \(o.o?)/ ...BUT listen to me anyway, and do X."
It's because you all don't have a CLUE what you're doing.Valhalla disband. That is all \o/
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Full of yourself much?JanusZeal basically talks MAJOR mess and gives the WORST advice EVER, but all of you PvE fails seem to really think he's the boss. I don't understand it. He plays PvE but wants to talk like he has authority in PvP...and any 2x2 MORON who actually does world PvP on a veno will tell you that he's talking UTTER BS.
Do you know the reason you hardly see PvP venos posting in Venomancer section? It's because everytime you come and actually say something that makes sense, and quote from your own PvP experiences, a PvE loud mouth will come and say some stupid mess that he thinks is SO WITTY, and all he's doing is talking UTTER BS. Look at it: Harshlands sub-forum has the HIGHEST postcount of all the server subforums...and there are lots of venos posting there. Why don't PvP venos post in their own class subforum?? It's because you see SO MUCH FAIL being talked by loud mouthed PvE venos that you just give up.
And almost EVERY time a loudmouthed PvE veno says something stupid, he always has to qualify it with: "Well, In MY experience...", or "Well, I don't care about what you do with YOUR VENO, but such-and-such works for ME", or "Well, I THINK that...", or "Nobody cares, it's about playing style. There is no one way to play veno" and other stupid, SUBJECTIVE trash that is not backed by experience.
Of COURSE there's a right way to do everything. For BMs, there's a CORRECT way to stunlock. For barbs, there's a CORRECT way to make sure you don't end up missing all your hits due to low accuracy. For Wizards, there's a CORRECT way to set up your ultis. When you see a wizard for example, drop BIDS on a barb without using Undine Strike first, or without depleting his HP down to just before his charm ticks, you know you just saw a NOOB wiz. Even if he manages to kill the barb, you know that he would have lost to a BETTER opponent. You don't drop BIDS on a barb with full HP. That's a NOOB move. You don't even have to have played a wiz to know things like that. They are established facts.
In the same manner, there are CORRECT ways to use a veno. And you all fail miserably because you never listen, and only want to voice your "opinions" about your own "playstyle" and what "works for you". Keep sniffing JanusZeal's batty.
There's a VERY simple question you should answer before replying with some stupid trash, since I know most of you will be gunning to do just that: Why is there STILL not a single pure PvP guide (as in, only about PvP, and specifically made to teach PvP) for venos stickied at the top of this forum, when a veno with a +4 r8 weapon can EASILY 2 shot a barb with 24K HP and +10 nirvana gear? Why is it that after YEARS of the game having come out, venos are the ONLY class where their subforum is COMPLETELY clueless about how to PvP?
Every question about PvP in this subforum is filled with answers like, "Well, I use such-and-such", or "I've found that such-and-such...", or "Well, lol I don't PvP much, but such-and-such". No proper combos, no established veno PvP protocols. Just EGOTISTICALLY STUPID posts FULL of UTTER BS about what the poster "thinks" works "for him". Go to any other subforum and see if PvP questions are answered like that. Everything is "lolidunno lul \(o.o?)/ ...BUT listen to me anyway, and do X."
It's because you all don't have a CLUE what you're doing.0 -
He/She's a forum bully and the reason many people just plain don't bother posting here. Of course they're going to have fans, most bullies do; and they for the most part go uncontested.
Anybody who actually knows about veno will always get frustrated when posting in here.Are you going by TT, Nirvana, Rank, or what with that broad sweeping claim of defense? You might want to look more at Nirvana. Heavy really isn't a common choice. There are no heavy rank equips for veno aside from ornaments almost no one bothers with, pet healing is gimped with heavy, and any typical heavy class is going to out perform a veno.
This is a fact.Valhalla disband. That is all \o/
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Doesn't matter what the circumstances are." -- Burnout, Harshlands, Wizard.0
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