Insanity

Longknife - Harshlands

Why are you allied with Crimson again?

Dunno if you've noticed, but it would appear Valhalla is jacking all your ***** and Crimson just doesn't give a damn. "But they're busy with Kylin!" No no, they can defend against us and still attack Valhalla: they stand a chance to gain land no matter who they attack and they'll still be defending against us either way. Right now you two are incapable of stacking Kylin so stacking Valhalla would be logical, yet they don't do it. They stand by and let you die. It'd make more sense to keep your ally alive so that they can help you (cause two is better than one), yet they don't do it. It'd make more sense to strike down Valhalla before they expand and become a problem that'll take over a month's time to get rid of, thereby increasing the amount of time you two will be too busy with them to attack Kylin OR increasing their threat factor to Crimson (two land Valhalla would take two weeks to wipe before it became 1v1 against Kylin, 6 land Val would mean Crimson might be dead before they ever see 1v1 again), yet they don't do it.


I said it once when Kylin and Crimson were allied against Zulu and I'll say it again: what's the point in being in an alliance if it doesn't benefit you? Especially since Crimson has a habit of this.

It's your choice really, personally I'm just curious what Insanity answer to my question is and why they're not annoyed with Crimson for just letting them rot.

Lutirica - Harshlands

Long has a point the three of them Insanity-Crimson-Mayhem allied for what? They dont make any real move at trying to defend themselves let alone attack another. So i wonder what the alliance is for my thought it was just for looks and pvp help which is about all it amounts to. Afterlife had its "secret alliance" with valhalla but neither moved. Afterlife took a long time before it moved. So we have a general failure to do what allies do on harshlands.

Longknife - Harshlands

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

Long has a point the three of them Insanity-Crimson-Mayhem allied for what? They dont make any real move at trying to defend themselves let alone attack another. So i wonder what the alliance is for my thought it was just for looks and pvp help which is about all it amounts to. Afterlife had its "secret alliance" with valhalla but neither moved. Afterlife took a long time before it moved. So we have a general failure to do what allies do on harshlands.

Mayhem is in on this too? Then wtf stack us.

Tryagain - Harshlands

It's so they don't attack Crimson, duh. Why else do you think they ally every guild on the server.



And as to why these other guilds ally Crimson? I have no ****** clue. Maybe Crimson is paying them off. Maybe they're promising them something in return. I don't really see the reason why.

Zorothustra - Harshlands

Tryagain is perhaps correct here.

Crimson is not in a good position, both in terms of Territory Wars against Kylin and in the game as a whole. Any stack against Crimson with half-way decent guilds would see Crimson bleed more lands than the one they already lose per week. This is why, they have come to the conclusion that the best way for them to defend themselves against losing more lands is to Ally with the next strongest guilds below them.

An argument could be founded upon the premise that Crimson, Insanity and Mayhem are honor bound to protect one another interest. But we have a problem. Crimson is self-consciously, a guild whose interests in the game are primarily concerned with themselves. This is like every other guild of course, the hypocritical thing is that Crimson pertains to create alliances with other guilds in hope that it will create the image that Crimson does have the interest of other guilds at hand.

While it seems Insanity is getting ballsier each week, both Crimson and Mayhem do not seem to contribute anything. Crimson, above all, has become the squishy plaything of the Rottweiler that Kylin is becoming. And where has Mayhem been at all? Riding on the coat-tails of two 'just above-average' Guilds.

DisOrder, Nightowls, Sacrament etc. Instead of stacking against Insanity should stack either Afterlife or Crimson, either one of those guilds would be fine. It is sort like seeing injured animal who is beyond help. The ethical thing to do is put it down with a .22 to the back of the head. Given their lack-of-attendance in both AL and Crimson. It would seem that a stack against any of these factions would see far more than 1-land per week getting taken down.

Secondly, Once, Crimson and AL are off the map. It would seem the logical thing for Kylin to form an alliance with Insanity and/or other guilds in order to stack Catalyst. This wouldn't only give perhaps rise to more factions being put onto the map. but would also curb Curso and other Catalyst members' complaints of lack of proper TW for Catalyst.

If Crimson is paying factions like Insanity and Mayhem off, or promising them something in return then I do not think that Insanity or Mayhem should pay into it. As it stands now, given the survival of Insanity despite numerous attempts to stack this faction, it would seem that Insanity on the whole has more clout then Crimson does. Why not then, for factions like DisOrder, NightOwls, Sacrament etc. support Insanity and attack AL or Crimson.

As long as these un-intelligent Alliances continued, given fuel by the ideological idea of Crimson being "White Knights", than Insanity and Mayhem won't gain anything and Crimson will be destroyed under the growing weight of Kylin.

Ligeia - Harshlands

Zorothustra - Harshlands wrote: »

Crimson will be destroyed under the growing weight of Kylin.

Kylin isn't really growing much; the majority of our applications are still the +3 HH90 kids with under 6k HP that we've had since I've joined. We've gotten a handful of new R9's and a few people who have returned to the game, but we're still in about the same position as Crimson as far as numbers and gear. On paper, these should be nearly three-hour wars, but Crimson likes to do full guild pushes when their HQ is at 50%. There's very little that can be done about that when their TW leaders have been playing the game as long as I have.

Zorothustra - Harshlands

Ligeia - Harshlands wrote: »

On paper, these should be nearly three-hour wars, but Crimson likes to do full guild pushes when their HQ is at 50%. There's very little that can be done about that when their TW leaders have been playing the game as long as I have.

Oh I didn't necessarily mean a quantitative weight in terms of applications, gear and numbers. But was thinking more of a qualitative weight, as you have rightly pointed out

Ligeia wrote:

On paper, these should be nearly three-hour wars, but Crimson likes to do full guild pushes when their HQ is at 50%. There's very little that can be done about that when their TW leaders have been playing the game as long as I have.

Dralighte - Harshlands

Double rainbow all the waaaaay!!~~
*QQ*

tfi3f

Ky, Insanity and Valhalla stack Catalyst.

/thread

Zorothustra - Harshlands

tfi3f wrote: »

Ky, Insanity and Valhalla stack Catalyst.

/thread

Wow, you're a smart one.

Dralighte - Harshlands

Zorothustra - Harshlands wrote: »

Wow, you're a smart one.

He doesn't need a wall of text to say something b:chuckle

Zorothustra - Harshlands

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

He doesn't need a wall of text to say something b:chuckle

Neither do the re.tarded. But then I wouldn't wanna get advice from a re.tarded person.

tfi3f

Normally I try to find out why he's calling me ****, but his higher post count and more impressive looking e-p33n have daunted me.

Moving on, wtf GMs? 2 week ban on my main for forumz trolling?

Zorothustra - Harshlands

tfi3f wrote: »

Normally I try to find out why he's calling me ****, but his higher post count and more impressive looking e-p33n have daunted me.

Moving on, wtf GMs? 2 week ban on my main for forumz trolling?

Wasn't saying you were a **** for clarification. Was just saying that re.tards don't write wall of texts either.

but thanks for noticing my impressive e-peen.


Getting back on Topic: You know how Crim. and other guilds try to attack Kylin's use of Catalyst alts; Why doesn't anyone attack Insanity's use of Crimson alts?

Crescendia - Harshlands

U know what would be kinda lulzy? If Kylin takes all the Crimson lands except the ones next to Insanity/Valala. Why? bcuz while valala is taking insanity's lands and crimson sits there, Valala can't touch Kylin unless they attack Crimson.

It would surprise me if Crimson would ally Valala too, just to get more of an advantage with Kylin. But if things are still "the same" Crimson will never ally with an Rpk guild :P

Map would look something like this (ya im pretty pro at MS paint)

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9263/5wktw.png

and yeah, thats my TW prediction. who knows what will happen xD

Halt - Harshlands

What.

Dralighte - Harshlands

Zorothustra - Harshlands wrote: »

Neither do the re.tarded. But then I wouldn't wanna get advice from a re.tarded person.

Wow, I'm so sad, now :<

Cher Zoro, tu es seulement un petit garcon qui garde les yeux fermes sur son petit monde, qui ouvre pas les yeux. Tu agis en troll pour te faire remarquer, mais tout le monde de Crimson s'en fou car tu te rabaisse a tous les jours. Tous tes petits commentaire desobligeants ne me font aucun effet car j'ai plus l'impression que tu veux impressioner le monde par ta "grandeur d'esprit".

Pour moi, tu est seulement quelqu'un qui veut avoir le dernier mot a tous, meme si tu as SOUVENT tord.

Google is your friend, not mine.

Halt - Harshlands

He just trolled you in french. I feel proud I didn't need a translator for that

_Petal_ - Harshlands

If I remember right, during the first days of the map reset, this situation was the other way around.
Let's be reasonable here...I've never had anything against Kylin. (Even as a Crimson, I don't have a problem with Kylins.) But what they're doing makes like...no sense at all.

Kylin is obviously under the impression that they're not next. Exactly who do you think they're going after, once Insanity, Crimson, Valhalla, and AfterLife are gone?
Watchers and Omerta might be next...who knows. But eventually, it's going to be your turn.

Some of your own members have said that they would like to attack Catalyst. This kind of discussion has gone up a few times, since quite a few are friends of mine.
Except...you guys couldn't fight Catalyst, because you just happen to have Catalyst alts in the guild. Your own members have even said it, that the previous statement is the main reason why you don't do anything about Catalyst at all.

And before you go into the "QQ INSANITY HAZ TEH ALTS OF KRIMSON", Insanity invited alts to the faction. Most of the alts joined because they have an alliance, and they needed the assistance from every wannabe TW faction who is capable of bidding (in the case of Mayhem, I can't speak for Crimson's alts, as I wasn't in Crimson during the time of the request.)
So what's your excuse?

Are you all seriously under the delusion that once Crimson is gone, that Catalyst is going to continue to play nice with you? Are you forgetting it was Zulu who wiped your faction off the map to begin with? Did it slip your mind that Catalyst is pretty much Zulu in another name and color? Or are you going to let it slide because they're giving you a temporary hand with Crimson? Are you guys too proud to kick the alts and just come rally with the rest of the server, or call a truce? Can you SERIOUSLY not see this coming?

Nobody is going to be able to fend off the gray splotch on the left side of the map alone, and that's a fact.

Quel trouble l'esprit c'est pourquoi nous n'avons pas tous se rassembler pour se battre. Juste coup les petits batards. Mais ce serait des plus judicieux.

(I'm aware I spelled "Batards" wrong...forum kept editing it out...damn accents.)

Dralighte - Harshlands

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

Quel trouble l'esprit c'est pourquoi nous n'avons pas tous se rassembler pour se battre. Juste coup les petits batards. Mais ce serait des plus judicieux.

(I'm aware I spelled "Batards" wrong...forum kept editing it out...damn accents.)

In fact, you spelled "batards" right b:laugh

Longknife - Harshlands

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

If I remember right, during the first days of the map reset, this situation was the other way around.
Let's be reasonable here...I've never had anything against Kylin. (Even as a Crimson, I don't have a problem with Kylins.) But what they're doing makes like...no sense at all.

Kylin is obviously under the impression that they're not next. Exactly who do you think they're going after, once Insanity, Crimson, Valhalla, and AfterLife are gone?
Watchers and Omerta might be next...who knows. But eventually, it's going to be your turn.

Some of your own members have said that they would like to attack Catalyst. This kind of discussion has gone up a few times, since quite a few are friends of mine.
Except...you guys couldn't fight Catalyst, because you just happen to have Catalyst alts in the guild. Your own members have even said it, that the previous statement is the main reason why you don't do anything about Catalyst at all.

And before you go into the "QQ INSANITY HAZ TEH ALTS OF KRIMSON", Insanity invited alts to the faction. Most of the alts joined because they have an alliance, and they needed the assistance from every wannabe TW faction who is capable of bidding (in the case of Mayhem, I can't speak for Crimson's alts, as I wasn't in Crimson during the time of the request.)
So what's your excuse?

Are you all seriously under the delusion that once Crimson is gone, that Catalyst is going to continue to play nice with you? Are you forgetting it was Zulu who wiped your faction off the map to begin with? Did it slip your mind that Catalyst is pretty much Zulu in another name and color? Or are you going to let it slide because they're giving you a temporary hand with Crimson? Are you guys too proud to kick the alts and just come rally with the rest of the server, or call a truce? Can you SERIOUSLY not see this coming?

Nobody is going to be able to fend off the gray splotch on the left side of the map alone, and that's a fact.

Quel trouble l'esprit c'est pourquoi nous n'avons pas tous se rassembler pour se battre. Juste coup les petits batards. Mais ce serait des plus judicieux.

(I'm aware I spelled "Batards" wrong...forum kept editing it out...damn accents.)

1) Think objectively for once in your life. What does ANY of that **** about Kylin and Catalyst have to do with the fact that Crimson should be bidding Valhalla? Even if you had been right about everything you said about Catalyst and Kylin, how does that change anything I've said about Crimson and Insanity?

Besides, I don't know why you seem to think I'm this die-hard Kylin who will cry a river the day Kylin gets their *** kicked. I thought I'd already made it clear I'm after fun TWs, and personally? I think it'd be more fun to 1v1 Catalyst (win or lose) than to gank them. I'm just one person and I'm hardly the voice of Kylin, but I look forward to the day Catalyst and Kylin fight, but somehow I'm sure we'd never be able to do so until a certain guild that has a habit of ganking is off the map.
I play for fun and for the challenge of competition, not just to obsess over doing every underhanded trick I possibly can just to get a little "VICTORY!" message on my screen.



2) " Insanity invited alts to the faction."

Yes, and this is my point. If Insanity took the initiative and said "hey, we need help, wanna put alts in our guild" then that to me says....they want help. So why is Crimson half-assing it and putting alts that may or may not be any good in Insanity when they could be doing that AND stacking Valhalla?

I think I've mentioned before (probably in "who's the best of each class") threads that I thoroughly enjoy PKing alongside Rome. Why? Because he knows what needs to be done without a word being spoken. He watches out for and supports his teammates, knowing that the life of his teammate is just as important as his, and that the death of a teammate could lead to the team's death. What Crimson is doing is basically blatantly ignoring that Insanity is getting their ***** kicked because Crimson just REALLY FRIGGIN WANTS to see Kylin die. What's worse, Crimson is basically a Wizard and Kylin is a sin: Crimson is insisting on fighting a battle that they're at a disadvantage in. It's been almost a month now since Crimson has won a war against Kylin.
But instead of supporting their ally, which probably wouldn't be that hard, Crimson focuses on an entirely different enemy.



I'm not in Insanity, so hell, I dunno if Crimson and Kylin have discussed this already. However, I DO know that I asked this same exact question of Crimson and Kylin when they were allied, and now that that alliance is dead, many Kylin are none too fond of Crimson for the EXACT reasons I was bringing up long ago: their alliance was completely one-sided and never benefited Kylin. And hence, here I stand, this time asking Insanity if they're REALLY sure about this alliance.

Lutirica - Harshlands

A war of alliances...

Afterlife and Valhalla - was made to try and stop the attack of catalyst but valhalla didnt attack.

Crimson, Mayhem, Insanity - what Crimson did here is hope that having allies will protect their land so they dont have to fight. Since Crimsons fight with Kylin has seen kylin as the victor in recent battles it seems like it has mostly ended Crimson will do nothing about the real problem they will run and hide like they have always done.

Catalyst and Kylin - isnt really an alliance but they are the highest expected to keep alive until the end. I have my doubts that they will attack eachother until all the rest on the map are dead. So they are kind of working with one another.

In the end Crimson will not do anything to help their ally just use them to hold their lands as long as they can. What needs to happen is Crimson needs new leadership that are willing to do more and get it done. If valhalla allies with crimson what good would that do them an ally that wont do anything is a bad ally.

tfi3f

I observed a very pertinent point mentioned in here: Ky had really better do something about their Catalyst alts, and see where their allegiances lie. I think right now the only sensible thing for Val, Ky and Insanity to be doing is stacking Catalyst. There is nothing that would produce a more long-term positive effect for the three of them than to challenge Catalyst directly, right now.

In order for Ky to pitch in, they'll need to consolidate their attack force and ensure they don't have gaping holes or abrupt, unexpected (not really) problems, such as sudden attendance lulls due to say, Catalyst members preferring to TW for Catalyst as opposed to TWing for Ky.

Of course, them tackling the catalyst alts will be dependent on how seriously they actually take TW and how much they're willing to risk to solidify their faction overall. You can't be in faction a faction and opt to turn coat every week when the faction goes up against its most crucial foe. That said, they could just leave it as is, and understand the Catalyst alts' position and factor in those members' non-attendance for TW vs Catalyst. However they do it is up to them, but it needs to be addressed somewhat.

Zorothustra - Harshlands

tfi3f wrote: »

I observed a very pertinent point mentioned in here: Ky had really better do something about their Catalyst alts, and see where their allegiances lie. I think right now the only sensible thing for Val, Ky and Insanity to be doing is stacking Catalyst. There is nothing that would produce a more long-term positive effect for the three of them than to challenge Catalyst directly, right now.

In order for Ky to pitch in, they'll need to consolidate their attack force and ensure they don't have gaping holes or abrupt, unexpected (not really) problems, such as sudden attendance lulls due to say, Catalyst members preferring to TW for Catalyst as opposed to TWing for Ky.

Of course, them tackling the catalyst alts will be dependent on how seriously they actually take TW and how much they're willing to risk to solidify their faction overall. You can't be in faction a faction and opt to turn coat every week when the faction goes up against its most crucial foe. That said, they could just leave it as is, and understand the Catalyst alts' position and factor in those members' non-attendance for TW vs Catalyst. However they do it is up to them, but it needs to be addressed somewhat.

I'm not fully up on the information about Catalyst alts, I know some of the people with Alts in Kylin but not the fully extent. Would Kylin be at a disadvantage if the Alts left?

I think we could be lenient on the Kylin leadership and accept that they must have seen this problem and accept it.

but as far it may be Kylin believes (and they might be right) that it will be at least 5 weeks (after Catalyst take out AL) or even longer (after Catalyst or Valhalla take out Insanity) before Catalyst attacks Kylin.

tfi3f wrote:

That said, they could just leave it as is, and understand the Catalyst alts' position and factor in those members' non-attendance for TW vs Catalyst.

This seems the most logical conclusion. Catalyst alts, I would presume, aren't joining Kylin for the honor of being a Kylin member. They are doing it purely and simply for the fact that they want to TW. Once Kylin v. Catalyst starts then those alts will go silent and Kylin will have to change their strategy to accommodate such change.

Crimson expected Insanity and Mayhem to help them out. Insanity however has its own land and thus needs to protect them rather then waste its time helping out Crimson. Mayhem is a joke....whatever it is, it is a joke.

Realistically, Insanity is probably doing the same thing that Crimson did to Kylin in the ole' Zulu days. Kylin will swallow up Crimson and Insanity will just sit back waiting for Kylin to roll over them.

Longknife - Harshlands

tfi3f wrote: »

I observed a very pertinent point mentioned in here: Ky had really better do something about their Catalyst alts, and see where their allegiances lie.

You see no Kylin addressing this point because it's completely blown out of proportion, and I'm guessing no one's in the mood to argue about the truth of something stupid like this.

Today's war had 4 Catalyst alts. Four. Not like Kylin can't replace them either.

Crimson had Insanity alts too in the form of a r9 barb that perditioned everything, if I remember correct. No one cares, life goes on and Crimson isn't losing now because they lost those alts. They're losing because they're losing.

Zorothustra - Harshlands

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Crimson isn't losing now because they lost those alts. They're losing because they're losing.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks sort of mentality in Crimson?

Okeano - Harshlands

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

stuff

I'm pretty sure everyone in Kylin is aware of the obvious. Kylin and Catalyst will meet in TW in the future, but I'll explain why it's not happening now.

If for some reason, everyone puts down what they are doing (fun TWs), and stack Catalyst instead, here are the 2 options

1) Catalyst defend against the top attacking faction, Kylin.

or

2) Catalyst splits and defend the 2nd and 3rd attacking faction, Crimson + AL, AL + Valalala, or whoever.

Option one, Kylin gets 1v1 with Catalyst, which is what will happen in the future anyways, so why drop what we are doing now and 1v1 Catalyst? So other 2 factions can get free lands? Consider everyone of the big factions, other than Mayhem, on map have attacked Kylin, including Insanity with their alts, so why should we help them to get free lands? Also, putting off the 1v1 into the future allows Kylin to build up more and be more prepared. Most Catalyst members are already reach the top for gear wise, while majority of Kylin members are still with average gears.

Option two, we give up what we are doing for a Crystal sprint? Nty. 10 mil a week and a patch of color on the map isn't worth giving up the only fun thing left doing in this game. If you haven't noticed, other factions are having fun in TW while Catalyst are bored out of their mind and begging for stacks. They are not really winners if you think about it.

tfi3f wrote: »

I observed a very pertinent point mentioned in here: Ky had really better do something about their Catalyst alts, and see where their allegiances lie. I think right now the only sensible thing for Val, Ky and Insanity to be doing is stacking Catalyst. There is nothing that would produce a more long-term positive effect for the three of them than to challenge Catalyst directly, right now.

In order for Ky to pitch in, they'll need to consolidate their attack force and ensure they don't have gaping holes or abrupt, unexpected (not really) problems, such as sudden attendance lulls due to say, Catalyst members preferring to TW for Catalyst as opposed to TWing for Ky.

Of course, them tackling the catalyst alts will be dependent on how seriously they actually take TW and how much they're willing to risk to solidify their faction overall. You can't be in faction a faction and opt to turn coat every week when the faction goes up against its most crucial foe. That said, they could just leave it as is, and understand the Catalyst alts' position and factor in those members' non-attendance for TW vs Catalyst. However they do it is up to them, but it needs to be addressed somewhat.

There's nothing complicated about Catalyst alts. As mentioned there were almost no Catalyst alts in today's TW and Crimson died in one push.

When we come across that bridge of Kylin vs Catalyst, they'll have the choice of fighting on Kylin's side, sit out both wars or leave faction. Obviously no one will sit out both wars, that's a stupid option.

Tryagain - Harshlands

We should be more concerned with how many guilds Crimson will bribe to stack us to save their land.

HappysHAIL - Harshlands

About 95% of the posters in this thread need to take a step back and let go of your neighbors hand. The reason this server is incapable of doing anything about.. well, anything, is you're so afraid to do it alone. Crimson catches a lot of flack for allying everyone and the reality is every other faction is as guilty as they are.

Most of the alliances that exist today dont seem to extend beyond the reaches of west gate, sp, or ho. Its all fun and games to zerg it up to protect that KDR when Cata ventures outside safe zone, but when it comes down to TW every faction continues to prove itself as woefully inadequate in coordination amongst themselves as they are within.

I was honestly hoping with the reset that a few of these sub-par factions would have the initiative to continue attacking equally matched opponents and actually try to learn a few things about TW. Instead, they all seem to choose the glory-hogging base race just to remain on the map a few weeks longer while grasping for the decaying crotchfruit of the next closest ally.

I have no particular love for Kylin, but they get some degree of merit for atleast having the testicular fortitude to attack an equally matched opponent week after week. They took their losses with the wins and, amazingly, it seems that its paid off since they've been winning for the past few weeks. Imagine that.

Nyxyo - Harshlands

to be honest don't get why kylin is in such hate for crimson....when zulu start take the kylin lands many in crimson asked we take some of kylin lands too and at that time we were able to do just that...but we didn't.....what we get for that...more trash talk

we did try to fight with zulu at that time once or few times but we were no where to match them so was pointless to try more EEESPEciallyY with the fake bids system that zulu use it oh so well...maybe we should have tried more but we didn't also we didn't back stab kylin but nobody remember that...

zulu will protect his lands with lot of fake biding when time will come....who was that Red_Hand guild that i never heard before? ..you call ppl to bid then really fast pull fake bid

...whats even more sad they will benefit from really weak guilds who will attack for a 5 min tw with out realize they will only end up to help them in long run ...system is flawed and sux donkey ...they should not allow small guild to make a bid...ask a certain average lvl/activity/ppl in a guild to be able to make a bid...but gm as it is sleeps and dreams how to suck more cash from game

crimson is adjusting slow to this new rank 9 era and we get more big round and pink bows as time pass but atm kylin is better...hope not for long...5 min tw is really sadb:shocked

i like kylin ..hell i was a kylin a while lol ..while is not my type of guild ..i have to admire that they were crushed and almost erased from game but somehow were able to raise again and they are very strong with out boting or fake bids like zulu did/does...i can respect kylin for that and i only hope crimson does better in future...this is a game after allb:bye

Kojj - Raging Tide

All factions ally together and stack TW on Catalyst please.

Thanks.