Psychics underrated? "92 psychic v Wurlord"

MageMERC - Harshlands

I did a 2-3 the other day with a 101 sin and a 92 psychic, and others of lower levels.....

For the first Wurlord pull the sin died (mistake I think - he tanked the next two no problem). I was in BB, 3 were dead leaving the psychic and the lower level dd (bm I think).

The psychic tanked and I thought we would be squad wiped in 5 more seconds. Surprisingly the psychic pulled through killing Wurlord. I didnt think he would have stood a chance but there you go....

Not sure if it was because of Wurlords type of attack damage or what, but I was impressed nonetheless.

StormHydra - Sanctuary

Psychics are not underrated at all.
They completely outshine Wizards.

The only reason they don't get much attention is because caster classes are gimped in favour for APS classes.

Fintan - Lost City

Clerics can tank him fine, too, if you have enough in squad. Presumably Wizzies, too, but they're getting awfully rare...

MageMERC - Harshlands

I'm hearing you all.....

....and I believe we did this one......


General Wurlord: Null
Physical Attack: 4948 - 14844
Magic Attack: 5937 - 17812
HP: 895.422

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

I have yet to see a psy tanking 2-3 wurlord while standing in his melee range. Sure it's possible but there are obvious conditions to the mage tanking him, which aren't surprising in the least -- standing outside melee so he only casts magic which psychics are better defending against. The only issue that arises is if they can do enough damage to keep aggro from one of the many other classes that constitute better single target DPS.

Fintan - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have yet to see a psy tanking 2-3 wurlord while standing in his melee range. Sure it's possible but there are obvious conditions to the mage tanking him, which aren't surprising in the least -- standing outside melee so he only casts magic which psychics are better defending against. The only issue that arises is if they can do enough damage to keep aggro from one of the many other classes that constitute better single target DPS.

If the squad knows how to play, it's entirely feasible to use a robe to tank Wurlord. Personally, I find it far easier than using a barb/BM. b:surrender

Reshanta - Sanctuary

I have a feeling this topic sprung from my comment in the other psychic thread when I said we are underrated.

What I mean was, nobody even talks about us unless we're 100+. No one askes for a psy for FCC or anything else for that matter. And we have a ton of AOEs which does not seem to be all that recognized either. It's kinda like we're not there.

It was like a counter to that particular topic. Yeah we're "overpowered" but compared to Assassins, no one really cares.

So yeah, we're strong and can do some amazing things, but we're not a "hot topic" like other classes.

And I'll speak for myself only, but I kinda like it that way.

Fintan - Lost City

Reshanta - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have a feeling this topic sprung from my comment in the other psychic thread when I said we are underrated.

What I mean was, nobody even talks about us unless we're 100+. No one askes for a psy for FCC or anything else for that matter. And we have a ton of AOEs which does not seem to be all that recognized either. It's kinda like we're not there.

It was like a counter to that particular topic. Yeah we're "overpowered" but compared to Assassins, no one really cares.

So yeah, we're strong and can do some amazing things, but we're not a "hot topic" like other classes.

And I'll speak for myself only, but I kinda like it that way.

And, hey, at least your class's skills tend to work as advertised and expected... b:surrender

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Fintan - Lost City wrote: »

If the squad knows how to play, it's entirely feasible to use a robe to tank Wurlord. Personally, I find it far easier than using a barb/BM. b:surrender

Given it takes a mage ages to kill each Wurlord @ 700 - 900k HP I'd say it's easier for 99% of BM's, especially one that knows how to use shadowless/quake or hell, even a vit barb w/demon spark that can use alacrity would do better. Then all you have to deal with is his physical damage which can easily be IH'd. A mage will a) kill slower and b) need to be babysat more, even with their defence strength geared toward ranged. If they somehow get in melee range while pulling Wurlord, they're ****ed.

Fintan - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Given it takes a mage ages to kill each Wurlord @ 700 - 900k HP I'd say it's easier for 99% of BM's, especially one that knows how to use shadowless/quake or hell, even a vit barb w/demon spark that can use alacrity would do better. Then all you have to deal with is his physical damage which can easily be IH'd. A mage will a) kill slower and b) need to be babysat more, even with their defence strength geared toward ranged. If they somehow get in melee range while pulling Wurlord, they're ****ed.

AH! But you forget that fewer and fewer people know how to play anymore! I've actually seen 9x-10x barbs with as little HP as I have, lately! b:shocked

I'd rather take the time to help a fellow mage DD while occasionally healing some than to sit there hoping that my BB will keep the barb alive, and that he didn't just hit autoattack and go grab a sandwich... b:surrender (Naming and shaming is against the rules, but that's happened to me at Wurlord. I had everyone revved and buffed before the barb returned: "Wait. How'd I die? Where'd your barb buffs go?" *sigh*)

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

A wizard in our faction has tanked Wurlord for us multiple times. We actually had a veno tank once (no pet) on one run when things went bad for the real tank. His mag attack hits hard and that can make him tougher for melee than he is for ranged arcane.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Fintan - Lost City wrote: »

AH! But you forget that fewer and fewer people know how to play anymore! I've actually seen 9x-10x barbs with as little HP as I have, lately! b:shocked

I'd rather take the time to help a fellow mage DD while occasionally healing some than to sit there hoping that my BB will keep the barb alive, and that he didn't just hit autoattack and go grab a sandwich... b:surrender (Naming and shaming is against the rules, but that's happened to me at Wurlord. I had everyone revved and buffed before the barb returned: "Wait. How'd I die? Where'd your barb buffs go?" *sigh*)

Yeah if you're single healing any Wurlord just IH it. Can time the stream for magic hits in case you happen to be going with a fail one. Wurlord takes forever to channel his magic attack so he's one of the easiest bosses in the game to cancel. It's somewhat nice for a cleric to have quake with him, so if you manage to have level 10, can do him a favour, although I generally wouldn't help fails until they learn2play.

For any melee class he should be very easy. Time spark or cancel. Very simple.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

The thread title should be changed to "Wurlord overrated?"
A lot of the bosses in the game are relatively easy to tank at range.

Fintan - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yeah if you're single healing any Wurlord just IH it. Can time the stream for magic hits in case you happen to be going with a fail one. Wurlord takes forever to channel his magic attack so he's one of the easiest bosses in the game to cancel. It's somewhat nice for a cleric to have quake with him, so if you manage to have level 10, can do him a favour, although I generally wouldn't help fails until they learn2play.

For any melee class he should be very easy. Time spark or cancel. Very simple.

Problem is that on an... shall we say "undergeared"... melee tank, IH is more likely to steal aggro than BB. I've been there and wasted the res scroll to prove it. b:surrender And even trying to "properly" time the stacking doesn't always help with the way aggro mechanics sometimes work. b:sad So, for melee, I tend to BB. For mages, I will IH and help DD in between stacking. It's worked well enough so far. (Even though it's getting harder and harder to find people who want to farm TT mats...)

truekossy

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

The thread title should be changed to "Wurlord overrated?"

Stopped reading so I could applaud there and then.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Fintan - Lost City wrote: »

Problem is that on an... shall we say "undergeared"... melee tank, IH is more likely to steal aggro than BB. I've been there and wasted the res scroll to prove it. b:surrender And even trying to "properly" time the stacking doesn't always help with the way aggro mechanics sometimes work. b:sad So, for melee, I tend to BB. For mages, I will IH and help DD in between stacking. It's worked well enough so far. (Even though it's getting harder and harder to find people who want to farm TT mats...)

If the barb is pulling he earthflames it, runs, and presumably runs back and alacrity's him as he's running in which cancels the magic attack. Other than that there's no point during Wurlord you can really get aggro with heals. In fact, it's likely more dangerous letting a noob pull with BB up than otherwise. At very least without BB up the onus is on them to pull and cancel properly. If they can't do that much, then **** it, go with someone else.

I'm quite surprised though that any cleric would have trouble single healing for Wurlord, and not knowingly keep quake on them just in case. It's kind of like my being surprised Clerics go to AOE instances like FF without expel and are outraged at pullers suicide pulling on them while having BB up.

LadySam - Heavens Tear

This boss hits 5 k mag atack on my kitty b:surrender Real charm killer b:sad

Fintan - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm quite surprised though that any cleric would have trouble single healing for Wurlord, and not knowingly keep quake on them just in case.

FWIW, not all of us have a huge supply of genies with every possible skill. :P But yeah, I agree that a cleric should practically never be stealing aggro from a same->higher-level barb. But our Perfect World is becoming less perfect. b:cry

(I can't comment on Frost stuff, due to inexperience in that instance. [Pardon the pun.])

Chickpea - Lost City

How is tanking Wulord in BB or with heals an achievement, for any class?

I can solo Wulord in 2-3 on my 100+ sin or on my BM. Just Earthflame to pull one, Holy Path away, run back, triple spark and start chopping it up. Wulord does not hit very hard. Most overrated boss in the game.

Level 100+ Psys can probably solo Wulord to if they have decent gear and use White Voodoo (would just take a while). Saying that a 9X caster tanked it in BB is not very admirable, its more like...normal.

Psychics aren't underrated either. They own in PvP and outshine all other R9 casters. Go ask a few R9 sins what class they never mess with in PvP, most of them will say that they stay far away from their beloved fish cousins.

MadTrigga - Harshlands

ive been yesterday in FC with a [rather fail] bm
he died in hall tanking a group of mobs. i had heals [the very next second healer switched to heal me] and i had no problem tanking the mobs.
same story : i cant really tell how many times it happened that a healer / tank got in trouble, i stole aggro real [heh thats the e4asiest shh to do on a psy )) ] quick and denied a squad wipe...
so yeah, tell me about psy underrated, fish noob no tank , QQ >_> then they all go woaaaaa fish tanked,so pro

Kagizyu - Heavens Tear

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

I did a 2-3 the other day with a 101 sin and a 92 psychic, and others of lower levels.....

For the first Wurlord pull the sin died (mistake I think - he tanked the next two no problem). I was in BB, 3 were dead leaving the psychic and the lower level dd (bm I think).

The psychic tanked and I thought we would be squad wiped in 5 more seconds. Surprisingly the psychic pulled through killing Wurlord. I didnt think he would have stood a chance but there you go....

Not sure if it was because of Wurlords type of attack damage or what, but I was impressed nonetheless.

Lol, Wurlord isnt that hard. I tanked him for my culti and for TT mats just because. I did it at a lower level around my mid 80s before triple spark. Barb died and I tanked wurlord. b:shutup Everyone called me OP >_>

OIdpop - Heavens Tear

ok take the same psy that tanked wurlord..tel lthe psy to go up to his physical hit range and u will see how fast the psy will die lolb:laughb:chuckle

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok take the same psy that tanked wurlord..tel lthe psy to go up to his physical hit range and u will see how fast the psy will die lolb:laughb:chuckle

And tell a barb tanking wurlord to move away and attack with a bow, see how long that lasts. Doesn't make a lot of sense, now does it?

Reshanta - Sanctuary

Kagizyu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lol, Wurlord isnt that hard. I tanked him for my culti and for TT mats just because. I did it at a lower level around my mid 80s before triple spark. Barb died and I tanked wurlord. b:shutup Everyone called me OP >_>

It also doesn't help them that they dont understand how magic resistance works.