Question re: Sage IH

Kwilinai - Sanctuary

So I am still struggling with the decision over sage or demon for my cleric. Consequently, I have been reviewing all the threads about the two cult paths and discovered this information on sage IH.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1025151


I was just wondering if this information was correct for Sage IH. If so, it would seem that sage clerics have the potential to heal approximately 20-30% more with each cast of IH by end game in comparison to demon clerics.

I am not basing my cult decision wholly on the merits of IH but sage clerics do seem to have an epic advantage with IH, particularly when spamming this skill, if this information is accurate.

Could any sage clerics please confirm this information and/or care to comment on its usefulness?

b:thanks

Ashivas - Dreamweaver

If you plan on TWing or PvPing just go demon.

And yes that is accurate.

Juriana - Heavens Tear

I wouldn't say go demon so quickly. Nor would I say go sage so quickly, either.

It really boils down to your preferences. Most clerics go demon because of revive (3 second channeling is awesome in Nirvana), and others go sage because of...I personally don't know what.

But being a demon cleric and comparing buffs, I'd say sage buffs definitely have an advantage (+pdef, -chan, Heal HP, Heal MP vs 25% chance on 25 chi, 25% chance on 25 chi, Heal MP, +Matk).

Demon clerics have some advantage skills wise, but I haven't gotten a chance to compare them all yet.

But really, more HP heals (usually tanks are at full HP + a few seconds stacked) vs HP and MP heals (it's only 300 MP, but how much mp would a barb have?). You can do the prioritizing.

Hope this helps.

b:bye

Yin - Momaganon

IH is OP anyway. Sage has nice buffs but still I will go demon again like I was in RT

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Kwilinai - Sanctuary wrote: »

So I am still struggling with the decision over sage or demon for my cleric. Consequently, I have been reviewing all the threads about the two cult paths and discovered this information on sage IH.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1025151


I was just wondering if this information was correct for Sage IH. If so, it would seem that sage clerics have the potential to heal approximately 20-30% more with each cast of IH by end game in comparison to demon clerics.

I am not basing my cult decision wholly on the merits of IH but sage clerics do seem to have an epic advantage with IH, particularly when spamming this skill, if this information is accurate.

Could any sage clerics please confirm this information and/or care to comment on its usefulness?

b:thanks

Truthfully I would base it on things other than IH.

For instance:

Do you want to be able to give yourself full chi in the span of half a minute to a minute? Demon VS/MS.

Do you want to be able to constantly -channel buff yourself? Sage MS.

Do you want to be able to go lazymode macro w/o expending much mp pots? Sage SG macro.

Do you want an extremely fast channeling revive skills? Demon Revive.

Do you want epic attack bonuses (i.e. debuffs/paralyze) for your cultivation? Demon WT/Tempest.

Now, back to IH, it's nice as a cleric to be considerate and heal other's MP, however, it really doesn't matter, and FWIW I wouldn't take anyone else's opinions into consideration who aren't a cleric concerning healing their MP. I consider Sage IH far superior, and this is from a person who prefers demon culti, however, when my cleric was Sage with Sage IH no one really could tell "hey, epic Sage IH you have!", due in part to level 10 being sufficient for IH. Nonetheless, if you consider IH that highly on your list I would give advantage Sage.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Janus said it best. Be very mindful of how to acquire those skillbooks as well.

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I got the sage IH just before restating to pure mag. Combined; these changes made a world of difference in how I could play PvE. That's not to say that some clerics who have great IH wont continue to spam it like a nub. For me: it buys me a lot of time to debuff, spirit's gift, dd, whatever.

TrueHarmony - Archosaur

Ashivas - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you plan on TWing or PvPing just go demon.

And yes that is accurate.

We tend to heal for the most part in tw <,< and sage heals tend to hit harder

AriesBreath - Raging Tide

TrueHarmony - Archosaur wrote: »

We tend to heal for the most part in tw <,< and sage heals tend to hit harder

Sage IH you mean. The other heals heal for the same, or less than demon (Chromatic Healing Beam). Demon heals also have better add ons (Stream of Rejuvination, Revive) except for Sage IH and Sage Wellspring Surge. (mind you, Sage Wellspring Surge doesn't heal for more, just a fraction of a second faster)

HoT isn't even that effective in TW with the exception of healing a cata barb, with all the r9s running around, from what I've found anyway.

TrueHarmony - Archosaur

AriesBreath - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sage IH you mean. The other heals heal for the same, or less than demon (Chromatic Healing Beam). Demon heals also have better add ons (Stream of Rejuvination, Revive) except for Sage IH and Sage Wellspring Surge. (mind you, Sage Wellspring Surge doesn't heal for more, just a fraction of a second faster)

HoT isn't even that effective in TW with the exception of healing a cata barb, with all the r9s running around, from what I've found anyway.

Let me rephrase <,< sages are usually put in the healing role in tw because lets face it, demons are more suited to the killey killey aspect of perfect world than we sages are <,<

And honestly, how often do you see chromatic healing beam in tw, it sort of calls out"look at me im doing something with a long channel, come get me sins" lol

Eoria - Harshlands

TrueHarmony - Archosaur wrote: »

Let me rephrase <,< sages are usually put in the healing role in tw because lets face it, demons are more suited to the killey killey aspect of perfect world than we sages are <,<

Buffing, purifying, and healing are your priorities as a cleric in TW no matter which cultivation you are.

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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Buffing, purifying, and healing are your priorities as a cleric in TW no matter which cultivation you are.

The best defense is a good offense. Clerics can be great DDs.

Eoria - Harshlands

thumbs wrote: »

The best defense is a good offense. Clerics can be great DDs.

Go roll a mage.

AriesBreath - Raging Tide

TrueHarmony - Archosaur wrote: »

Let me rephrase <,< sages are usually put in the healing role in tw because lets face it, demons are more suited to the killey killey aspect of perfect world than we sages are <,<

And honestly, how often do you see chromatic healing beam in tw, it sort of calls out"look at me im doing something with a long channel, come get me sins" lol

Basically what Eoria said. Buffing, purifying, healing and rezz'ing are priorities of a cleric no matter the cultivation. Being Demon isn't an excuse to metal mage. It also doesn't make you any less of a support cleric than Sages. That assumption is dependant on the player behind the toon, not the toon itself.

As for Chromatic Healing Beam, i don't really use it in TW. Was just noting that Sage heals don't actually heal for more than demon heals, with the exception of IH.

TrueHarmony - Archosaur

AriesBreath - Raging Tide wrote: »

Basically what Eoria said. Buffing, purifying, healing and rezz'ing are priorities of a cleric no matter the cultivation. Being Demon isn't an excuse to metal mage. It also doesn't make you any less of a support cleric than Sages. That assumption is dependant on the player behind the toon, not the toon itself.

As for Chromatic Healing Beam, i don't really use it in TW. Was just noting that Sage heals don't actually heal for more than demon heals, with the exception of IH.

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Yes , however my point is still valid. In MANY cases people who go demon on cleric are under the impression that they should run around and wield thunder things while the sages heal the barb and do all that purifying and buffing nonsense demons shouldnt worry about /end Sarcasm.

Over all in a broad spectrum, sages are thought of by the general population of being the less offensive support type as apposed to demons, not saying its true its just how we are preceved

Man this is getting off topicb:chuckle

AriesBreath - Raging Tide

TrueHarmony - Archosaur wrote: »

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Yes , however my point is still valid. In MANY cases people who go demon on cleric are under the impression that they should run around and wield thunder things while the sages heal the barb and do all that purifying and buffing nonsense demons shouldnt worry about /end Sarcasm.

Over all in a broad spectrum, sages are thought of by the general population of being the less offensive support type as apposed to demons, not saying its true its just how we are preceved

Man this is getting off topicb:chuckle

Idk how stereotypes make Sage heals stronger than Demon.

Idk how things work on your server, but especially in the higher up TW factions on RT, a cleric is a cleric. You support, not metal mage in TW, period.

Fintan - Lost City

I think the Demon/Sage schism is hardest on two classes: Venomancers and Clerics. Unfortunately for us, I think for Venomancers the end result is pretty much "It doesn't really matter much" whereas for Clerics, we're judged based on whether we have a hamburger or a toothbrush floating over our shoulders.


Compounding the pre-judgement others make upon the class's choice, both paths are extremely palatable for their own reasons. I think, though, in the end, it's only really easy to make one of the four choices (choose FOR Sage, choose FOR Demon, choose AGAINST Sage, choose AGAINST Demon): choosing against Sage.

In my very humble opinion, if you find yourself as a Cleric who doesn't do terribly much healbotting, the advantages of going Sage diminish (e.g. if you solo a lot; if you multi-Cleric as a rule and end up as the DD more often than not; et cetera).

In this case, the benefits of Sage start to narrow. Sure, SoR will gain extra chi for you. But if you're not using the skill much, that's irrelevant. (Nevermind the book being as rare as hen's teeth...) Revive? Sure you can use it outside boss AoE range now, but you're already in it DDing, so you want to get it done with quicker. Wellspring? Sure it'll cast faster, but wouldn't that chi from the Demon version be far more useful for Tempest as soon as it bothers to cool down?

Contrariwise, it's not so easy for me to find such things against going Demon (or pro-either). I've seen plenty of happy Demon healbots. I've found few happy Sage non-healbots (though some are bound to speak up now...).

Dunno, the new era of player may have other input. But this is my observance over time.

Good luck with choosing a path. In the end, you must weigh the balances yourself and decide which one is closer to your abilities and style. May you make peace with the schism. b:bye

(EDIT: And, as stated, TW should be irrelevant to your choice. You're still squishy enough that neither path will help that, even if the other side only has a single stealthed sin... b:laugh)