Highest APS for Seeker?

ChubbyKyros - Lost City

Hmmm, I have been wondering what is the highest APS a Seeker can achieve with HA.
Probably a little mix of HA & LA? Anyone have any ideas?

Evict - Heavens Tear

Blademaster.

LovesTragedy - Lost City

Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Blademaster.

^ this.

Dont interval a seeker. Ever.

ReMakaBo - Archosaur

b:spit another APS on seeker thread.

Mor_Toran - Sanctuary

The seekers main damage focus is based on the magic boosts from the skills. Going APS on a seeker nerfs your attack damage, and not using skills nerfs it considerably more.

APS seeker is just a stupid idea personally. W aren't BM's or Sin's. We're more like a battlemage.

Although, if you feel like wasting tons of cash nerfing your toon, I think the max APS is like 2.33 or 2.86. Good luck at being a fail seeker doing that though.

DUTY_TO_ALL - Heavens Tear

Hige's aps u can get for seeker is 3.33apsb:surrender

Dinandel - Dreamweaver

A few things why APS seeker isn't welcoming because of a few things. It has been discussed before.

1. Achieving APS would mean giving up a number of HA armors for LA. This means lower physical defense and lower strength attribute that leads to lower spell damage. This is not what we want.

2. We are limited by swords and blades. Ironically, we can't wield Deicide (blade). How much can you achieve with 1.11 base aps anyway?

3. Seekers are not made for APS.

The only -int equip I would go for is the tt99 gold HA wrist. That is probably as far as I will go. And if I have the extra money, I probably get Lunar Energetic Robe and Tomes for the extra -int.

ChubbyKyros - Lost City

was just thinking is there any foolish guy to play seeker with aps when you have all that amazing skill =P

Valkyrie_Sw - Archosaur

DUTY_TO_ALL - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hige's aps u can get for seeker is 3.33apsb:surrender

highest aps for seekers= 2.86
i was like ROFL!!!another aps seeker,its pointless if you'r going aps with seeker.
hard to accept the truth

/ox - Lost City

So wait... I still dont get how having APS will nerf attack str.

DUTY_TO_ALL - Heavens Tear

Valkyrie_Sw - Archosaur wrote: »

highest aps for seekers= 2.86
i was like ROFL!!!another aps seeker,its pointless if you'r going aps with seeker.
hard to accept the truth

5aps http://pwcalc.com/783ef0ab7eb99bf5 u have to be the lucky s seeker on the world

Sympathi - Archosaur

DUTY_TO_ALL - Heavens Tear wrote: »

5aps http://pwcalc.com/783ef0ab7eb99bf5 u have to be the lucky s seeker on the world

no recasted sword has interval as an option, and only -0.05 is a unique option in every other sword type, meaning you can only acheive it once, the rank VI "Saoring Spirit Sword" would be the best option for an APS seeker, making the max possible APS 2.86 for an demon seeker.

A genie using relentless courage would need over 80 points in strength to get any faster then 2.86, and this would last 8 seconds.

APS seeker isnt my thing, i play mine like a full nuker but i have seen afew around, not very good though but if i was ever going to be an APS seeker that would be my build, with a pure strength genie for relentless courage.

b:chuckle

RioNHale - Archosaur

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

no recasted sword has interval as an option, and only -0.05 is a unique option in every other sword type, meaning you can only acheive it once, the rank VI "Saoring Spirit Sword" would be the best option for an APS seeker, making the max possible APS 2.86 for an demon seeker.

A genie using relentless courage would need over 80 points in strength to get any faster then 2.86, and this would last 8 seconds.

APS seeker isnt my thing, i play mine like a full nuker but i have seen afew around, not very good though but if i was ever going to be an APS seeker that would be my build, with a pure strength genie for relentless courage.

b:chuckle

Just maybe, MAYBE he was joking b:shocked

DUTY_TO_ALL - Heavens Tear

RioNHale - Archosaur wrote: »

Just maybe, MAYBE he was joking b:shocked

i think i was b:surrender

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

no recasted sword has interval as an option, and only -0.05 is a unique option in every other sword type, meaning you can only acheive it once, the rank VI "Saoring Spirit Sword" would be the best option for an APS seeker, making the max possible APS 2.86 for an demon seeker.

A genie using relentless courage would need over 80 points in strength to get any faster then 2.86, and this would last 8 seconds.

APS seeker isnt my thing, i play mine like a full nuker but i have seen afew around, not very good though but if i was ever going to be an APS seeker that would be my build, with a pure strength genie for relentless courage.

b:chuckle

That's just an... ugly build: evasion ornies are pointless, and don't use an LA plate. The base defense on the plate is much higher than wrist and boots, making those your best options and then you can use an HA ornament to more than makeup for lost pdef. http://pwcalc.com/35152757af1641db

I tried making a 3.33 Seeker calc using the mythical 3 x -.05 OHT bracers, but I'm stuck at 2.86 because both 2.0 and 2.22 spark to 2.86. So this build has those ugly evasion ornies and LA plate but has one more interval increase. http://pwcalc.com/c2abbbd1683b6ca4

Also, windshield is usually preferred over relentless courage because its spammable. It also looked like you were saying you can demon spark to 2.86 then relentless courage, but relentless courage would overwrite your spark speed buff.

Here are a few reasons aps seekers aren't horrible:
Large base damage than even daggers.
Lower dex requirement than claws, so you can have 450+ str as dmg multipliers.
Bladed Fervor buff
Northern Sky Waltz (and other stances) will proc sooner
Seekers get crazy attack and defense levels.
Quicker chi for using your skills

Downside to aps:
Would require adjusting gear to be less defensive.
Dual swords/blade have a higher base damage and lower base attack rate. Single swords/blades have a lower base damage and faster attack rate. Dual swords are better for skills but you'd need single swords to use aps.
2.86 cap means you aren't really reaching that exponential dps gain that 4.0 or 5.0 has. ie going from 2.0 to 2.22 is an 11% gain (one interval step) whereas 4.0 to 5.0 is a 25% dps gain (one interval step).
Can't permaspark.
Sage seems to be favored for seekers right now, no aps boost with sage spark.

Edit: Had a friend doing aps seeker. Its decent, DDs just below an aps bm (slower, but hits really hard) and was actually useful to bring into vana because of his 20% Northern Sky Waltz def level debuff. Made up for the DD loss.

supertroyman1

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

That's just an... ugly build: evasion ornies are pointless, and don't use an LA plate. The base defense on the plate is much higher than wrist and boots, making those your best options and then you can use an HA ornament to more than makeup for lost pdef. http://pwcalc.com/35152757af1641db

I tried making a 3.33 Seeker calc using the mythical 3 x -.05 OHT bracers, but I'm stuck at 2.86 because both 2.0 and 2.22 spark to 2.86. So this build has those ugly evasion ornies and LA plate but has one more interval increase. http://pwcalc.com/c2abbbd1683b6ca4

Also, windshield is usually preferred over relentless courage because its spammable. It also looked like you were saying you can demon spark to 2.86 then relentless courage, but relentless courage would overwrite your spark speed buff.

Here are a few reasons aps seekers aren't horrible:
Large base damage than even daggers.
Lower dex requirement than claws, so you can have 450+ str as dmg multipliers.
Bladed Fervor buff
Northern Sky Waltz (and other stances) will proc sooner
Seekers get crazy attack and defense levels.
Quicker chi for using your skills

Downside to aps:
Would require adjusting gear to be less defensive.
Dual swords/blade have a higher base damage and lower base attack rate. Single swords/blades have a lower base damage and faster attack rate. Dual swords are better for skills but you'd need single swords to use aps.
2.86 cap means you aren't really reaching that exponential dps gain that 4.0 or 5.0 has. ie going from 2.0 to 2.22 is an 11% gain (one interval step) whereas 4.0 to 5.0 is a 25% dps gain (one interval step).
Can't permaspark.
Sage seems to be favored for seekers right now, no aps boost with sage spark.

Edit: Had a friend doing aps seeker. Its decent, DDs just below an aps bm (slower, but hits really hard) and was actually useful to bring into vana because of his 20% Northern Sky Waltz def level debuff. Made up for the DD loss.

wow that was a really well hought out and composed statment. im impressed. my bm is currently 2.86 aps sparked(farming more once i lvl) and yeah its not perma spark but it wont take u long to get up the last spark so time gap aint huge.ik still not perma. but the statment i like the most that ive ever herd is "were not built for aps but were awsome enough that we can handle it". that being said if u r looking for a RAW aps class seekers arnt the place to go

suicidehostess

now,now i have demon seeker at only 2 aps r8+7 and during tiger event i'm always on top over even the r9 sage seekers (probably due to the fact that i can spark 3 times in a row with cloud eruption and maybe white tea) moreover i can solo any boss up to bh89 and fb99-100 bosses with bloodpaint on not using vortex.(bh100 bosses now hit too hard) theyre good for it dont knock demon seeker too hard

_Nottunyx_ - Heavens Tear

4 aps seeker with 15k hp (ye's i've seen someone in HT who owns a plate like this)
b:victory

http://pwcalc.com/0710091a15677744

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

5aps Seeker w/ theoretically possible adds that I believe are all actually in game : http://pwcalc.com/1a767f50928ab4c6

Chances of this are astronomical and pointless to aim for.

Even in the unbelievable instance someone could do this....you'd still lack all the things that ( I believe) would make a Sin a better 5aps than you. (Powerdash, wolf emblem, base crit rate, not having to use a g13 weapon, etc..)

D_u_s_t_y - Archosaur

i always thought seekers were ment for using your skills if you wanna run up and hit things rather than skills make a sin/bm

HerbalLife - Archosaur

Interval seeker is really interesting, decide for yourselfhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ54EHtKnPo&feature=plcp

Niteshadows - Harshlands

Make a sin.

arkman

Make a bm instead

DarkTimes - Dreamweaver

With the PWCN -0.1 intv tome, would it be possible now for a seeker to get 5 aps?