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Curso - Harshlands
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gratz valhalla on sending 2 sage EA, a R9 bm without aps and a 2,86 sage sin to the tournament, not even talking about a psy
u guys obviously only think 1 step ahead because a demon sin could outdmg all of u guys in the pve part.
if we wanted to roll u for the pvp part we would have send a different squad but we dont feel the urgent need to roll u because our 50 vs your 80 in TW said enough.
gratz on making the squad that has the lowest chance of getting trough in the pve part and therefor is garbage.
u guys obviously only think 1 step ahead because a demon sin could outdmg all of u guys in the pve part.
if we wanted to roll u for the pvp part we would have send a different squad but we dont feel the urgent need to roll u because our 50 vs your 80 in TW said enough.
gratz on making the squad that has the lowest chance of getting trough in the pve part and therefor is garbage.
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you reap what you sow, bruising their egos by wiping them off the map, so now they're sending a pure pk squad to troll the **** out of you and don't care that they stand no chance in the pve event.
if it's any consolation i'd still lay money on catalyst's squad even if it's the predictable "we won't bid on catalyst, but instead we'll try to ruin harshlands' chances at winning pwic" gankfest.
on the other hand, it IS in fact a pvp server, deal with it.0 -
negativereaction wrote: »bruising their egos by wiping them off the map,
as if that was cata's fault? i think the ego-bruising came in when they lost to KY"we won't bid on catalyst, but instead we'll try to ruin harshlands' chances at winning pwic" gankfest.
that's basically what they're saying. its sad that any guild would choose to try and ruin the server's chances as a whole. the word is selfish, i believe0 -
Irae - Harshlands wrote: »as if that was cata's fault? i think the ego-bruising came in when they lost to KY
a fair point, but being able to help knock off catalyst would still be a big ego trip for valhalla in their current territoryless state of affairs. if i had to guess, i'd say valhalla doesn't want to walk away from pwic as winners, they want to walk away saying "trololol catalyst can't even win pvp tournament on their own server." they sent in a full pvp lineup and they're banking on having help from the other entrants in order to knock catalyst off.
and note that i am not saying this is a bad thing; that's the nature of the beast in this type of free for all, i suppose.Irae - Harshlands wrote: »that's basically what they're saying. its sad that any guild would choose to try and ruin the server's chances as a whole. the word is selfish, i believe
sure, but what's the alternative, though? does anyone here seriously question that catalyst has submitted the most solid pvp+pve lineup for harshlands, with excellent gear and at the very least decent talent? no? then the other extreme is to let catalyst walk on through the pvp tournament since they're harshlands' best shot at winning. that doesn't sound like much fun either.
i know someone's going to reply "well how about the middle ground, everyone just goes in and fights normally, no allies, just pure free for all." have you ever known pvp in any mmo to work that way?0 -
Everyone should pretty much just gank Val out of the tourney for this. It's bloody stupid.
God forbid they actually spawn a boss that you need a cleric for. r9 +12 doesn't help when you're dead on the floor.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Curso - Harshlands wrote: »gratz valhalla on sending 2 sage EA, a R9 bm without aps and a 2,86 sage sin to the tournament, not even talking about a psy
What's wrong with sending a Psy to the tournament?
In heated fights like this where the death of a teammate means you're outnumbered, stuns and other ailments are key for teamwork: stun is the best way to stop someone from killing an ally. With only one BM allowed per team, getting a Psy let's you have two players who can AOE stun for 6 seconds fairly often (believe BMs can every 15 seconds whereas Psys can every 20). Not to mention that a +12 Psy is absolutely sick when it comes to soul of Silence, and Soul of Silence/Vengeance can be thrown on literally any squad mate.
Even in a PvE sense, it's suicide to not include a single magic class for the PVP part, and Psy has the best DPS of all the magic classes.I AGOREY0 -
Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »What's wrong with sending a Psy to the tournament?
it's a matter of alternatives. with the pve part being somewhat of an unknown at this point, you're going to need an EP, WR, and WB, hands-down. bringing no EP might make sense if you're just trying to spike-damage someone out of the pvp tournament and don't care about what happens after that.
beyond that, r9 EAs are pretty nasty for the pvp section at least (not bad for pve), and decent sins can be lethal in both. that leaves one spot, maybe two if you drop either the sin or the EA. you almost certainly need a WF as well, useful in both the pve (amp, possibly purge, etc) as well as pvp (purge, demon nova on huddled groups trying to domain-tank). not a lot of wiggle room.
r9 wizzes and psys are both pretty ridiculous, but given that there's a pve section, most complete squads won't have room for either. psys in particular can really turn the tide of a pvp matchup, and if it were pvp-only with no pve section, a 30k+ soulforce psy would be a no-brainer. but they lack the dps (unlike most melee classes), utility skills (unlike WFs), and buffs/major heals (unlike EPs) that may be useful for the pve section.
not to say that it can't work, but i don't think the ideal lineup for both pvp and pve would have a psy. i'd like to see one played well though. you mentioned aoe crowd control, but soulburn would also be nasty as hell since it doesn't get purified. taking someone effectively out of play for 8-10 seconds can be huge in a free-for-all last man standing. wonder which Catalyst urDian will be using his on? :x0 -
negativereaction wrote: »wonder which Catalyst urDian will be using his on? :x
Her's. urDian has a new owner now.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »Her's. urDian has a new owner now.
i love new players trying to make sense out of cool shiny toys like r9 +12s. in that case she* might waste soulburn on someone in Domain, so you're in luck.0 -
Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »What's wrong with sending a Psy to the tournament?
In heated fights like this where the death of a teammate means you're outnumbered, stuns and other ailments are key for teamwork: stun is the best way to stop someone from killing an ally. With only one BM allowed per team, getting a Psy let's you have two players who can AOE stun for 6 seconds fairly often (believe BMs can every 15 seconds whereas Psys can every 20). Not to mention that a +12 Psy is absolutely sick when it comes to soul of Silence, and Soul of Silence/Vengeance can be thrown on literally any squad mate.
Even in a PvE sense, it's suicide to not include a single magic class for the PVP part, and Psy has the best DPS of all the magic classes.
Depends on the type of boss. For bosses under your lvl mystics do comparable magic dps...
Though I'll admit psys >>>>> wizards in magic dps.
?? bosses mystics do the most magic damage period. I collect almost as many astral orbs as some (lower) APS during CoA just by **** the physical immune bosses w/ a combination of thicket + feeding the storm mistress an entire stack of event mp pots. With just a +8 weapon the mistress nukes for 13k+ on ?? mobs.
Besides, as far as I know, no one knows what boss PWI will ultimately choose to spawn, and even though I don't give them much credit they could surprise us with an actual fair spawn that gives non-aps non-pve oriented setups a chance to win.
TBH, if people truly wanted to represent the US, everyone would send pvp - oriented teams so that we'd actually have a decent chance of winning over in China. The pvp tourney uses standardized gear...what are the chances they'll give sins and BM's the gear to be aps? But the prisoner's dilemma problem forces everyone to pick aps sins just to have a chance in pve.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Valhalla squad should go practice killing Harpy Wraith with no cleric.0
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HOW U GONNA DO HARPY WITHOUT CLERIC BUFFS/HEALS U CLOWNS
bludd instant dead
wytche instant dead
banzzok instant dead
disposition instant dead
urdian tanks on defense vodoo and charm till harpy buffs and then dead
wollfo tanks with charm till there is 3 mill left on harpy wraith and he gets purged and then dead
good **** man gratz on destroying the chance of harslands representing in china
regardless only catalyst can win because curso is the only cleric lined up who can actually succesfully survive harpy without a second cleric.0 -
Pretty sure wollfo can tank it without a cleric, and the rest can charm tank the aoe's. I really doubt anyone in that squad can pull aggro from wollfo anyways.Unban me.0
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With the AoE poison and other DoTs and purge and the AoE true damage there is no way non melee classes can stay alive without heals. Barbs can tank it with luck and 5.0 classes can also if they have BP.0
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best time on harpy wraith is 4 mins as of this posting. can we get a KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK from banz if he thinks their squad can do that with no EP?
edit: lol HT champs got steamrolled by harpy despite having wr wb and ep
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FUERA can solo harpy uncharmed
/nuff said
btw is Disposition a new player? o.O or someone rerolled r9 BM
Now, Burnout, about Mystics.. we wont shine to our full potential until we get our r9 stuff... not to mention most ppl are waitin for r9 to be like $200 or sth0 -
Why did Valalala not bring Golgotha as their cleric? He could easily survive the AOE damage.
Seriously guys, think. Gosh.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ArchAngeLi - Harshlands wrote: »btw is Disposition a new player? o.O or someone rerolled r9 BM
as i understand it, someone who sat around free2play for ages and finally decided to dump a ****-ton of money into the game, and tried to learn a new class after XP-rooming it to 101. watch for a wasted HF on an entire squad of domained players, or alternatively, a desperate prayer chant calling for nothing but god of frenzy crits - the hallmark crutch of any pro wr. tell me tomorrow how close to the mark i was?0 -
negativereaction wrote: »as i understand it, someone who sat around free2play for ages and finally decided to dump a ****-ton of money into the game, and tried to learn a new class after XP-rooming it to 101. watch for a wasted HF on an entire squad of domained players, or alternatively, a desperate prayer chant calling for nothing but god of frenzy crits - the hallmark crutch of any pro wr. tell me tomorrow how close to the mark i was?
I mean, wtf went through his head when he decided to sacrifice his wallet to PWI, and rolled a blademaster, of all classes, to get to R9? Seriously? He spent all this time playing the game for free, then decided to roll an entirely new class that happened to benefit the *least* from R9, then spent all that money to gear him up to R9? Hello???
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There are 9 ****ing other classes you could have gotten R9 on and you chose a Blademaster. I'M ****ING MAD NOW.
not really.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Not to be negative guys, but as I see the decisions and the way ppl is gonna play this tourney, HL will be out of it in no time. Such a shame, 'cause actually this server has potential...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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negativereaction wrote: »it's a matter of alternatives. with the pve part being somewhat of an unknown at this point, you're going to need an EP, WR, and WB, hands-down. bringing no EP might make sense if you're just trying to spike-damage someone out of the pvp tournament and don't care about what happens after that.
beyond that, r9 EAs are pretty nasty for the pvp section at least (not bad for pve), and decent sins can be lethal in both. that leaves one spot, maybe two if you drop either the sin or the EA. you almost certainly need a WF as well, useful in both the pve (amp, possibly purge, etc) as well as pvp (purge, demon nova on huddled groups trying to domain-tank). not a lot of wiggle room.
r9 wizzes and psys are both pretty ridiculous, but given that there's a pve section, most complete squads won't have room for either. psys in particular can really turn the tide of a pvp matchup, and if it were pvp-only with no pve section, a 30k+ soulforce psy would be a no-brainer. but they lack the dps (unlike most melee classes), utility skills (unlike WFs), and buffs/major heals (unlike EPs) that may be useful for the pve section.
not to say that it can't work, but i don't think the ideal lineup for both pvp and pve would have a psy. i'd like to see one played well though. you mentioned aoe crowd control, but soulburn would also be nasty as hell since it doesn't get purified. taking someone effectively out of play for 8-10 seconds can be huge in a free-for-all last man standing. wonder which Catalyst urDian will be using his on? :x
I'd disagree you need a barb for the PVE part. FFS a sin can tank Harpy, so I seriously doubt we'd run into an issue where there's a boss that a sin or a BM can't tank/hold aggro on.
And again, we dunno what kind of boss it is, and again, not taking a single magic DD is pure suicide for the PVP round. What were they supposed to put in the Psys place anyways? Thought they were limited to one BM, one sin and two archers, so it's not like they can bring another aps class, unless you really wanna bring an aps veno or barb for the PVP round. Besides, Psy damage on bosses is underrated. I actually pull aggro from sins fairly often. Not saying we have superior DPS, but I am saying that if a Psy can pull aggro from an aps sin up until the sin gets a certain refine, then yeah that says something. Plus, let's say they put the genie boss in the tournament. Yknow, the one that AOE sleeps and goes 5 aps itself? Resist the sleep, AOE purify the squad and soulburn during the 5aps parts. Hell, any non-?? boss will actually take a crapload of damage from Soulburn; it's like doubling or tripling the Psy's cast speed (depends on the boss, obviously). Not likely that we actually get that boss and I sorta doubt they include a non-?? boss too, just cause all the best bosses are ??. Just making the point that there ARE bosses Psys are effective against. Maybe someone would prefer a veno for the physical defense debuff or a Mystic for the unfiltered Cragglord damage, fine. Personally though, I think the benefits of having a Psy, both in the PVP and PVE aspect, FAR outweigh the benefits of just another APS class or another caster class.
To each their own though. Wish more of us were allowed to participate so we could actually see which teams dominate and which fall behind.
Also, I don't remember if the rules mentioned this or not cause I just knew I'd bring a cleric no matter what if I was making a team, but Valhalla's gonna feel really ****ing stupid (and they ARE really ****ing stupid If....) if the squad cleric is allowed to res people that have died.I AGOREY0 -
Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »I'd disagree you need a barb for the PVE part. FFS a sin can tank Harpy, so I seriously doubt we'd run into an issue where there's a boss that a sin or a BM can't tank/hold aggro on.
And again, we dunno what kind of boss it is, and again
we've known it was harpy wraith since 2 days ago. gms said so herp derp.b:shocked oh noes was walking and forgot to breath0 -
Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »There are 9 ****ing other classes you could have gotten R9 on and you chose a Blademaster. I'M ****ING MAD NOW.[/SIZE]
sarcasm aside, i'd save that **** in case seeker sword gets god of frenzy. 1-crit kills on EAs that also outrange them? and can freeze them if they don't 1-hit? yes please.
anyway, more on-topic, the lineups were chosen before the boss was announced, so it's perfect hindsight to say "lol it's just harpy wraith, you don't need a barb, sins can tank it" because nobody knew that at the time. for a general unknown pve encounter, yeah, i wouldn't risk not bringing a wb, and i'd rather have a wf than a psy if forced to choose. a well placed wf purge can game-change the pvp portion, and wf debuffs will improve virtually any damage-heavy squad's killing time on a large boss.
don't get me wrong, i love my own psy as well, and they can be OP as **** for the pvp portion (and not bad for the pve portion), but like i said there is limited roster space and when the pvp and pve conditions were unknown - like they were for lineup submission - it's hard to justify a psychic over some of the alternatives. that certainly doesn't mean one can't do well, though.0 -
Player_two - Harshlands wrote: »we've known it was harpy wraith since 2 days ago. gms said so herp derp.
Goes to show how much attention I pay to PWI these days.
Come to think of it, when's the tournament fight thingy?I AGOREY0 -
Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »Goes to show how much attention I pay to PWI these days.
Come to think of it, when's the tournament fight thingy?
Tonight..so i hope you still have your charm
If you need one ill sell for 10m each :P0 -
apex1predator wrote: »Tonight..so i hope you still have your charm
If you need one ill sell for 10m each :P
Wait wtf I'm going?
Since when?I AGOREY0 -
Damn frankie didnt change the roster..apparently your rant about psychics pulled a few heartstrings so they changed kylins roster to include you. Your feats have reached legendary status now..better get prepared ;D
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negativereaction wrote: »as i understand it, someone who sat around free2play for ages and finally decided to dump a ****-ton of money into the game, and tried to learn a new class after XP-rooming it to 101. watch for a wasted HF on an entire squad of domained players, or alternatively, a desperate prayer chant calling for nothing but god of frenzy crits - the hallmark crutch of any pro wr. tell me tomorrow how close to the mark i was?
LOLOLOLOLOL this is too much. Valalalala: "Hmmm who to send as BM... oh since we are Valalala, to represent us, let's send the person who just hypered a BM for full R9 and never played the class before."0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »LOLOLOLOLOL this is too much. Valalalala: "Hmmm who to send as BM... oh since we are Valalala, to represent us, let's send the person who just hypered a BM for full R9 and never played the class before."
how close was my guess?
cue complaints about ganks, etc.0 -
Curso - Harshlands wrote: »gratz valhalla on sending 2 sage EA, a R9 bm without aps and a 2,86 sage sin to the tournament, not even talking about a psy
u guys obviously only think 1 step ahead because a demon sin could outdmg all of u guys in the pve part.
if we wanted to roll u for the pvp part we would have send a different squad but we dont feel the urgent need to roll u because our 50 vs your 80 in TW said enough.
gratz on making the squad that has the lowest chance of getting trough in the pve part and therefor is garbage.
I'm going to LMAO when you oneshot yourself on UrDian's retaliation, Curso. I'm hoping it's the legit Dian, and not that moron he gave his account to, who couldn't PvP their way out of a wet paper bag.Catalyst
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The only person on your team, LITERALLY the only person, who I have seen PvPing and not AFK in a SZ, would be you, Curso. That is ALL.
TW / = / PvP
And who was it who was QQing about them being so hard to beat in PvP at the very start? Owait, that was Curses, wasn't it? What was it that you all said? Oh yes....
"OMAIGAWD, we must all GANK VALHALLA RITE NAO THEY GONNA TAKE TEH MAPZ!!11111one!!1!"
But it's not Valhalla that's going to end up murdering TW, now is it?
This isn't about TW. The competition has nothing to do with TW. If you're going to try and sling mud, at least stay on topic, yeesh.
So you wiped them off map, and NOW they're sending a pure PvP team. How about you actually send your badassity team, since you're such hot stuff? Or is it because you really don't have a PvP team? You guys are NEVER out in PvP zones, and when you are, it's in absolutely PATHETIC numbers and strength. A team of Omerta PvPers could wipe the people who have been showing up for your PvP, and that's saying something.
Sage Bloodpaint? It's not always about out DPSing, Curso. You can't deal damage on an enemy if you're DEAD, now can you? Not everybody has to depend on APS in order to be a good PvE class. (I know that is hard to get your mind around, try not to hurt yourself.) Some Assassins go sage for endgame. Deal with it. You don't see someone whining at you because you're a demon cleric, now do you?
I honestly agree with Garaver...this was the best HL could come up with? Granted that LC PvP is like two year olds hitting one another with teddy bears, but come on....these setups could have been way, way better.They made fun of me because I wasn't a R8 Psychic...and then came third cast. It's not funny anymore.
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