You're all great.

AsimM - Raging Tide

So because of all you pro wizards, I'm more OP than ever. The suttra combos that I learned from these forums are all fantastic, and all the other classes now fear us. Lemme list some combos I learned.

FoW > Hit > MS > 2 more hits

Fow > Hit > BT > Should be dead by now?

I never knew the usefulness of MS until I actually took time to read the forums. The stunlock on MS is just...killer. Big fat rock killer. You're all just... great. (The title)

Also, I wanted to say that someone once told me that Undine Strike after Sleep was completely a waste of that skill. And if they're slept for a good 4 seconds, might as well make the hit count. I LOVED that advice. You guys have no idea how much I use that in duels/pk etc. Of course it has it's downsides, for example, when Elves use their Shells to make that hit count...for ~200-1000 damage. b:laugh But still. I love it.

So all praise aside, you guys got anything more for me? I'd love to hear anything I might be missing out on.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

AsimM - Raging Tide wrote: »

Also, I wanted to say that someone once told me that Undine Strike after Sleep was completely a waste of that skill. And if they're slept for a good 4 seconds, might as well make the hit count. I LOVED that advice. You guys have no idea how much I use that in duels/pk etc.

So all praise aside, you guys got anything more for me? I'd love to hear anything I might be missing out on.

Credit Sun_Burn (Lost City):

Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »

1st combo shouldnt work unless ur opponent either fails or lags, since ur debuff knocks them out of sleep.

If you can video yourself dueling or in tw, I am sure everyone will tell you what you are doing wrong. They relish it.

If you like mountain seize, stock up on zooming thunder powder. Zooming thunder powder + mountain seize is the only way I can beat well geared sins 1 vs 1. They never see it coming. I actually made one rank 9 +12 sin RUN from me doing that. She didn't know what hit her and apparently tried to stealth right away and it wouldn't work, of course, so she actually ran, lol.

I still die 90% of the time, lol, but oh, that 10%? like sweet, sweet honey.

XAlukardx - Harshlands

my favorite combo has to be sage fow when you have a group of bms/sins on you. then open db with an ig or something. gg for them while they cant figure out how to do anyting til they are dead

negativereaction

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Zooming thunder powder + mountain seize

workable with plain old sutra + elemental shell (or gush, or even force of will) + mountain seize too, at the expense of another 2 sparks instead of apothecary potions. downside is that it depends on you NOT lagging much or you'll get stunned in sutra. upside is that you can use other apothecary potions instead if you need.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

negativereaction wrote: »

workable with plain old sutra + elemental shell (or gush, or even force of will) + mountain seize too, at the expense of another 2 sparks instead of apothecary potions. downside is that it depends on you NOT lagging much or you'll get stunned in sutra. upside is that you can use other apothecary potions instead if you need.

Well, sure, but powder lets you use another ulti on top of ms if you want (although possibly not within the 0 channeling time but within the 6 second stun), or spam skills, or have enough chi to use distance shrink if they don't die/aren't stunned, lets you do it with only 2 sparks and not 4, etc.

Anyone can change up the situation to make the one better than the other, and he seemed to have the sutra ulti combo down. I just wanted to make sure he was carrying that apoth too for more options to use ms than only when he has 4 sparks available to him.

AsimM - Raging Tide

Well these powders sound pretty awesome. I personally use Cloud Eruption, but it seems at thought it doesn't provide with nearly as many sparks as "Zooming Thunder Powder."

I use Cloud Eruption for fun, such as:

Demon Spark + Ultis

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Damage test

Demon Spark + Essential Suttra

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Replaces -25% chan with suttra channeling for speed kill?

Double Spark + Poison + Ultis

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Damage test.

Sun_Burn - Lost City

o hay i was quoted for something for once. -feels speshul-

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

AsimM - Raging Tide wrote: »

Fow > Hit > BT > Should be dead by now?

If you want max killing potential with that combo, I'd do...

FoW > undine > sage divine pyrogram > spark (genie skill) > BT

undine lowers enemy fire res by quite a bit, then sage dp lowers it a little more, and spark almost completely wipes out anything left.

I'll have to take a screenie next time I do that. You will hit 5 digits on the target pretty much every time, non crit.
If it's a caster class they're definitely dead, even if they have better refines than you (by like maybe +3)
If it's a magic marrowed bm they're definitely dead.
If it's an archer it's definitely dead.
If it's a sin, it survived with deaden nerves and soon you'll be dead.
For Barbs and Seekers it hurt, but I doubt a BT killed them. Shoulda gone with dat sage bids yo.

Sun_Burn - Lost City

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you want max killing potential with that combo, I'd do...

FoW > undine > sage divine pyrogram > spark (genie skill) > BT

undine lowers enemy fire res by quite a bit, then sage dp lowers it a little more, and spark almost completely wipes out anything left.

Incorrect, the right combo would be FoW, Undine, spark, divine pyro, BT, although i wouldnt recommend any of that without zooming thunder powder or sutra since D Pyro and BT takes forever.

divine pyros effect does not overlap undine, after u cast divine pyro the targets defense will still be the same from after you undined.

another thing to do if u have full sparks. FoW (optional), undine, sutra, spark(genie), D Pyro, pyro, will of phoenix, BT. Won't work unless your fighting a moron for the most part, a good player domains after they see u sutra.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

i hardly ever sutra anymore, but the few situations where i use it, i normally undine>seal>sutra>spark>d.pyro>pyro>wotp>bt if i have chi. if i dont i'll use dpyro again.

most of the time i just go for the bypass though.

AsimM - Raging Tide

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you want max killing potential with that combo, I'd do...

sage divine pyrogram
then sage dp lowers it a little more

Shoulda gone with dat sage bids yo.

You're assuming that I went the sage path too often. b:laugh

AsimM - Raging Tide

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you want max killing potential with that combo, I'd do...


1) undine lowers enemy fire res by quite a bit, then sage dp lowers it a little more, and spark almost completely wipes out anything left.

I'll have to take a screenie next time I do that. You will hit 5 digits on the target pretty much every time, non crit.
If it's a caster class they're definitely dead, even if they have better refines than you (by like maybe +3)
2)If it's a magic marrowed bm they're definitely dead.
If it's an archer it's definitely dead.
3) If it's a sin, it survived with deaden nerves and soon you'll be dead.
For Barbs and Seekers it hurt, but I doubt a BT killed them. 4)Shoulda gone with dat sage bids yo.

#1 : Even though I'm not sage, I doubt the debuffs stack like that.

#2: I don't trust that statement completely.

#3 : Well that's why I never nuke on sins like that. I go with suttra to take out DN as soon as possible

#4 : Sage BIDS is not in my path, or within my money range. b:laugh

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

AsimM - Raging Tide wrote: »

#1 : Even though I'm not sage, I doubt the debuffs stack like that.

#2: I don't trust that statement completely.

#3 : Well that's why I never nuke on sins like that. I go with suttra to take out DN as soon as possible

#4 : Sage BIDS is not in my path, or within my money range. b:laugh

1) they don't, meant to use spark in general, not that late in combo sorry for miscommunication b:shutup

2) unless the bm severely outgears you it should definitely hold true. They wiped out their phys def to increase their mag defense. You're lowering the mag def they sacrificed phys def for. They're almost defenseless.

3) true, but either way you're in trouble. If they're smart they have focused mind on, and chances are at least one of those spells hit 1.

4) Demon BIDS hurts alot too, you just won't crit as much b:surrender

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »

o hay i was quoted for something for once. -feels speshul-

I always give credit where credits due. b:thanks

I also don't give credit where none is due. b:bye

Its the latter that gets me in trouble.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

i hardly ever sutra anymore, but the few situations where i use it, i normally undine>seal>sutra>spark>d.pyro>pyro>wotp>bt if i have chi. if i dont i'll use dpyro again.

most of the time i just go for the bypass though.

This is right. Those of you using seal then undine as oppose to undine then seal imo are doing no better than sleep>undine b:surrender

Sorry nurfed, I know you (and a few select others) don't really need me to tell you you are right, but I wanted to highlight the difference for that Asim and that noob Adolt follower DaKill.

Pearlwood - Lost City

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you want max killing potential with that combo, I'd do...

FoW > undine > sage divine pyrogram > spark (genie skill) > BT

undine>[spark>DevPyro-6secImmunPot]>[frenzy>BT]

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