Class roles to the truth

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  • fuzzywuzz
    fuzzywuzz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    SmifnWesson - Lost City wrote: »
    ....and they can tank bosses better than a barb in my opinion if they can keep vortex up

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  • Tsukyini - Raging Tide
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide Posts: 1,766 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    FuzzyWuzz wrote: »
    Sure, they can do it solo, Fuzzy didn't say otherwise, but have yet to meet one who doesn't beg and plead for BKI to either keep em alive or keep their cost down.

    edit: "Need barb buff" is the most common excuse Fuzzy sees from aps class's that fail at trying to be a one man army in any instance.

    I'm surprised they don't just powerlevel a barb to buff themselves. b:shutup
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I'm surprised they don't just powerlevel a barb to buff themselves. b:shutup
    Personally I've been quite surprised to see powerlevelers world chat asking for either bp, or other buffs (mainly bm's or barbs asking for bp), when they can just powerlevel their own alt account and buff their own self.
  • VenusArmani - Dreamweaver
    VenusArmani - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,009 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    FuzzyWuzz wrote: »
    Fuzzy just got a nosebleed from the panda's face hitting the desk. b:nosebleed

    (_)D have a drink bro, relax XD
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  • Scuzeme - Dreamweaver
    Scuzeme - Dreamweaver Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Aksar_Rain - Archosaur wrote: »
    people seem to not understand the truth behind some classes and there roles let me shed some light
    "<|>" this use of symboling Shows how favored role is to the class associated with it yes it has to be yellow for an eyesore but its so you see it right away


    Barb: Tank<<<<<|>DD

    Cleric: Heal<<<<<|>>DD

    Asas: DD<<<<<|

    Psychic: DD<<<<<|

    Mystic: Heal<<<|>>>>>DD

    BM: DD<<<<<|>Tank

    Wiz: DD<<<<<|>>>heal

    Veno: DD<<<|>>>>>Debuff

    Seeker: Tank<|>>>>>DD

    Archer: DD<<<<<|


    Surely ther must be more than DD-Heal-Tank?

    how about crowd control?
    and seriously Wiz DD 60% vs heal 40%??

    Guyz lemme heal ya since no clerics are here, it will only take 8 sec, in the meantime, i can't DD, feel free to pop some pots ^^
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  • WangZi - Dreamweaver
    WangZi - Dreamweaver Posts: 279 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Personally I've been quite surprised to see powerlevelers world chat asking for either bp, or other buffs (mainly bm's or barbs asking for bp), when they can just powerlevel their own alt account and buff their own self.

    I might not be a powerleveler, but... personally I'm too lazy to powerlevel another alt just to get a buff that I can ask for b:chuckle
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  • Morghast - Dreamweaver
    Morghast - Dreamweaver Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    SmifnWesson - Lost City wrote: »
    these are really only appropriate pre-3spark for bm and sin

    and for seeker well, seekers are horribly **** DDs, they are great for aoe DDing, but for flat out dd they suck....and they can tank bosses better than a barb in my opinion if they can keep vortex up

    You're an idiot.
  • Doqui - Raging Tide
    Doqui - Raging Tide Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Barb: Useless<<<<<|

    Cleric: Useless<<<<<|

    Assassin: DD/Tank/Healer<<<<<|

    Psychic: Useless<<<<<|

    Mystic: Useless<<<<<|

    BM: Useless<<<<<|

    Wiz: Useless<<<<<|

    Veno: Useless<<<<<|

    Seeker: Useless<<<<<|

    Archer: Useless<<<<<|

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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Aksar_Rain - Archosaur wrote: »




    Mystic: Heal<<<|>>>>>DD


    Wiz: DD<<<<<|>>>heal


    Mystics and Wizards
    Almost the same ****ing quality when it comes to healing.
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  • Ssapintrayas - Dreamweaver
    Ssapintrayas - Dreamweaver Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Wizards 40% heal?

    MUAHAHAHA
    Woah thats good, saved my day!

    Funny my friend accidentally called me a Cleric all the time.
    Also if i BH i frequently get told by people i dont DD cos im a Wizards and Wizards dont DD. (Mostly by people i frequently steal aggro from XD).
    So thats it i got it all wrong all the time! Im partly a healing class!b:laugh
  • Fintan - Lost City
    Fintan - Lost City Posts: 1,245 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You were decrying their rating concerning buffs. I would give BKI 4/5 too. BP deserves a much higher rating for obvious reasons. It's far more useful. Barbs are mainly buffers and damage takers, generally for damage people take sins (single target) or BM's (HF) or others.

    OK. I've been trying very hard to not post in this lametastic thread. But, um. Yeah. BP, which is useless to half the classes (I know I'd love it while at melee range as a cleric, even), is more "useful" overall than level 11 BKI?

    Guess the game really *is* going all-sin and I should quit again now. The gods know that people would prefer a sin to a cleric anymore, anyhow. (Proof? Watch WC. People beg for a cleric to pay to do frost with them, then immediately look for a sin to come for free right after they finally get one. [BTW, if a GM is watching, I want to be able to filter anything about frost from my world chat view, thanks. Oh, and a bigger blacklist. AND A PONY!])

    But back to the point, your squishies (wizards, venos, clerics, archers) are more likely to die if you only have BP available. I suppose that only matters if you actually run more than an all-sin-all-APS squad though. The rest of us tend to prefer having a barb. (Fuzzy's on the wrong server still, BTW. b:chuckle)
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Fintan - Lost City wrote: »
    OK. I've been trying very hard to not post in this lametastic thread. But, um. Yeah. BP, which is useless to half the classes (I know I'd love it while at melee range as a cleric, even), is more "useful" overall than level 11 BKI?

    Guess the game really *is* going all-sin and I should quit again now. The gods know that people would prefer a sin to a cleric anymore, anyhow. (Proof? Watch WC. People beg for a cleric to pay to do frost with them, then immediately look for a sin to come for free right after they finally get one. [BTW, if a GM is watching, I want to be able to filter anything about frost from my world chat view, thanks. Oh, and a bigger blacklist. AND A PONY!])

    But back to the point, your squishies (wizards, venos, clerics, archers) are more likely to die if you only have BP available. I suppose that only matters if you actually run more than an all-sin-all-APS squad though. The rest of us tend to prefer having a barb. (Fuzzy's on the wrong server still, BTW. b:chuckle)
    The classes that don't get BP generally (except for archers) aren't running FF powerlevels, nor are they tanking bosses and in need of it. It really wasn't much of a case before, excluding magic classes tanking BH29 or 59. If you want to ragequit go ahead I don't care, however, if you're going to base it on sins and bloodpaint, you should probably think of a more rational reason to quit, as I'm sure you've been a significant beneficiary of sins or BM's or any class that has high DPS and can get bp if you've even been playing in recent years.
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The classes that don't get BP generally (except for archers) aren't running FF powerlevels, nor are they tanking bosses and in need of it. It really wasn't much of a case before, excluding magic classes tanking BH29 or 59...

    My Wizard can tank bosses from bh29-bh59 (except Wyvern).

    Power leveling is not sign of best class.


    Why you think, that magic classes not need this or those ?
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    My Wizard can tank bosses from bh29-bh59 (except Wyvern).

    Power leveling is not sign of best class.


    Why you think, that magic classes not need this or those ?
    That's nice. My wizard tanked her own fb89. "Can" tank and "does" tank are two different things, especially when you've long been surrounded by better damage dealers than yourself. You should have read the "generally" part. People usually don't.

    Powerleveling is a sign of someone with littlle patience and/or some money. It is not the sign of anything else other than that. It's also a source of income for my sin. b:cute

    As much as it sucks for wizards, psychics, archers, clerics, mystics, veno's (especially archers and veno's), bloodpaint is a far more useful buff than BKI.
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    swgs wrote: »
    All wrong

    here it is:

    Sin: TANK + DD
    BM (5.0): TANK + DD
    EP: Buff and heal some time
    Wiz/Archer/Phys: wait for the weekend to attend TW
    Barb: Buff then go away (that's me lol)
    Seeker: solo frost big room
    Myst: give rez buff.

    I am not going to bother commenting on anything else in this thread because it's boring.

    But you, sir, used a PWI-MY term for ONE class, then the PWI terms for the other four original classes listed... Why do people keep up these anachronistic variants? You didn't even apply it fully...

    Though your Wiz/Archer/Psy comment was funny. :p

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    EDIT: I take it back, I will comment on one thing. Ask yourself this: Would people ragequit more if they took out BP or if they took our BKI? That might better frame the discussion.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    But you, sir, used a PWI-MY term for ONE class, then the PWI terms for the other four original classes listed... Why do people keep up these anachronistic variants? You didn't even apply it fully...
    Because you're in the cool kid group if you use PW-MY terms. It's like forum instant oatmeal for "i r old skool".
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Because you're in the cool kid group if you use PW-MY terms. It's like forum instant oatmeal for "i r old skool".

    so THAT'S what i've been doing wrong all this time! i'd be instantly level 100 and getting invites to TW factions (that i'd turn down) if i started slinging around jargon from a version of the game i never went near? d'oh!
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    so THAT'S what i've been doing wrong all this time! i'd be instantly level 100 and getting invites to TW factions (that i'd turn down) if i started slinging around jargon from a version of the game i never went near? d'oh!

    According to swgs's earlier post, apparently you don't even have to do it in any logical fashion. Just sling about outdated anachronisms haphazardly.
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  • Fintan - Lost City
    Fintan - Lost City Posts: 1,245 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    so THAT'S what i've been doing wrong all this time! i'd be instantly level 100 and getting invites to TW factions (that i'd turn down) if i started slinging around jargon from a version of the game i never went near? d'oh!

    Some of us use the terms because we actually played the other version for quite a while. I think I actually logged almost as many hours there as I have here (since I had quit PWI for over a year and a half). So, as long as others use the terminology we're familiar with, we aren't likely to change. And, I'll admit, some of the meanings behind the "other" terms make more sense than what we have on PWI. (For example, while it's not as concise, the name behind "ADC" is more descriptive than "Archosaur".)
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The classes that don't get BP generally (except for archers) aren't running FF powerlevels, nor are they tanking bosses and in need of it.

    So the game's all Frost now on HT? That's highlly unfortunate, and it makes me glad I don't play on your server. In any case, I have only a short time till my timer expires in map 2, so I'm gonna go grind there. b:bye
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That's nice. My wizard tanked her own fb89. "Can" tank and "does" tank are two different things, especially when you've long been surrounded by better damage dealers than yourself. You should have read the "generally" part. People usually don't...
    I mean what it was and is.

    Not more, not less.

    Today I had soloed fb39 for two characters level 40+.

    And at bh59 I tank in most cases.

    Today I will try to do it using one Cleric level 52 only (for bh59).
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Archers have 0 tank ability? I must be doing it wrong: http://i.imgur.com/R7vFH.jpg
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  • endlesspsy
    endlesspsy Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    assasins is the worst class in TW
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I mean what it was and is.

    Not more, not less.

    Today I had soloed fb39 for two characters level 40+.

    And at bh59 I tank in most cases.

    Today I will try to do it using one Cleric level 52 only (for bh59).
    Really? Did you tank an Fb19 too? That's so cool. Wizards ftw.

    Clearly it goes over your head.
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Really? Did you tank an Fb19 too? That's so cool. Wizards ftw.

    Clearly it goes over your head.

    Here are screenshots for my bh59 (Glutt).

    And I did it myself.

    Almost done.
    Waiting ...
    Gathering drop ...


    I will do same for some other bosses today.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Here are screenshots for my bh59 (Glutt).

    And I did it myself.

    Almost done.
    Waiting ...
    Gathering drop ...


    I will do same for some other bosses today.

    Your wiz is 79, yes? Go tank FB79. I did it on my (insert classes here) so since wiz tank so well, you can do it too.

    (Protip: You're missing the point he's trying to make)
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    Your wiz is 79, yes? Go tank FB79. I did it on my (insert classes here) so since wiz tank so well, you can do it too.

    (Protip: You're missing the point he's trying to make)

    I do with my Wizard what he can at levels where he can.

    I don't want to level my Wizard and stop to play.

    Now I play without problems.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I do with my Wizard what he can at levels where he can.

    I don't want to level my Wizard and stop to play.

    Now I play without problems.
    Do you think you can overcome the Rosetta Stone boss? I heard that one is tough.
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Do you think you can overcome the Rosetta Stone boss? I heard that one is tough.

    Sorry, but I not know what is "Rosetta Stone boss".

    But I know, that my Wizard has 5.65 mln of spirit from quests that he can complete and all skills maxed.
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Do you think you can overcome the Rosetta Stone boss? I heard that one is tough.
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sorry, but I not know what is "Rosetta Stone boss".

    This was just TOO much. I split my sides laughing. I am glad the forum has Janus, really, I am.

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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This was just TOO much. I split my sides laughing. I am glad the forum has Janus, really, I am.

    b:chuckle

    I am happy for you.

    And I am right, that left at this level.

    As I understand level 100 mean nothing.

    Just pay more to be useless.

    Edit:
    I mean coins, time or gold.
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