Your 50k+ soulforce build

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  • _Name_ - Harshlands
    _Name_ - Harshlands Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    negativereaction wrote: »
    you are sorely mistaken if you psys "don't really have to rebuild chi" in TW. several of their most useful TW skills cost 1 or 2 sparks. dying frequently and having to rebuild that, or at the very least spam apothecary pots on it, is nontrivial.

    as for two-shotting, i was talking about EAs, not clerics - not that it makes too much difference. an r9 EA is certainly capable of 2-hitting the DoT build that was posted, and just as capable of getting movement immunity for the first SoS hit. 13k hp is about as low hp as you can get with full r9 +12, and not much additional attack power is gained from adding 24 DoT to an already high attack level from r9/black voodoo/bless box.

    i am sure that build can deal a lot of damage. the problem is, so can any r9 +12 build, even without the DoT, but at least they can take a hit or two with jades and gems. there is a reason "every other r9 +12 psychic" does that. being "different" gets points for creativity but it doesn't make it better than what's been proven most efficient in TW.

    If they psychic sees they are being hit couldnt he just switch to white vodoo or would that just be pointless?
  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    _Name_ - Harshlands wrote: »
    If they psychic sees they are being hit couldnt he just switch to white vodoo or would that just be pointless?

    typically dying or dead by the time you realize there's incoming spike damage and channel white voodoo in a tw, particularly if you burned all your sockets on a few extra attack levels instead of boosting your damage reduction or hp count. might be alright if it's just 1 attacker and they were dumb enough to stun themselves off SoS.
  • XKi - Lost City
    XKi - Lost City Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    rank 9 +12 psychic w/ +24 attack lvl or rank 9 +12 psychic w/ +48 defence lvl


    see which one dies first to a rank 9 sin
  • draco5787
    draco5787 Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    XKi - Lost City wrote: »
    rank 9 +12 psychic w/ +24 attack lvl or rank 9 +12 psychic w/ +48 defence lvl


    see which one dies first to a rank 9 sin

    Personally they would both die just as fast with the Psy having Soul of Retaliation and Soul of Vengeance on without the psy even blinking unless the sin drops AD/Immunity pot first
  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    draco5787 wrote: »
    Personally they would both die just as fast with the Psy having Soul of Retaliation and Soul of Vengeance on without the psy even blinking unless the sin drops AD/Immunity pot first

    ...wut

    i think you both misunderstood the question and misunderstood the limitations of s.o.v and s.o.r
  • VoItaire - Harshlands
    VoItaire - Harshlands Posts: 1,033 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    _Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »
    Again, they don't really have to rebuild chi unless they want to use instant cast skills via 2 spark skill. (red tide I think it is)


    Other than that they can run back out with their SoV, Soul of Stunning/Sealing, and their other one (SoR I think is the short term, my psychic doesn't have all his skills just yet). Then they are going right back on the offensive.

    True gorg could of done JoSD and be like every other r9 +12 psychic, but at least s/he decided to be different and go with DoT.
    As for two-shotting....lol. Highly unlikely, considering that even with meak physical defense, the first attack a cleric would do would cause one of the SoS to trigger (Stunning most likely) which means that they would have to wait for the more than likely 6-10 seconds for the stun to be over so they could attack again. Which by that time, a good psychic would of already eleminated the cleric and any surrounding threats.

    Psys do need chi for their useful aoe stun(vector) and an occasional psy will whenever a physical attacker starts to pose a threat. Btw, the insta cast 2 spark skill is called Tide Spirit, and most psys rarely use that(because all their sparks are going to vector, psy will, and soulburn). This might be different for demons though since theirs is a lot more worth it. EA = Elven Archer, they have an anti stun for SoS.

    I am totally against full DoT sharding period, but I asked the question because I was curious about how well it worked for her and whether or not she regretted it or why she even went with the shards.
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  • Gorgonnia - Heavens Tear
    Gorgonnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »
    From your experience, would you recommend atk lvl shards in the armor of an end game build? :o

    Yes.
    negativereaction wrote:
    even with the cushion of full +12 r9, it's a colossal waste of survivability without much gain. that is probably the squishiest +12 r9 pwcalc i've seen in ages, and i'd be embarrassed to bring that to a tw.

    Ever played a psychic? The way you talk, I guess not. You can ask any r9 that has fought me how "squishy" I am and how embarrassed they would be to bring me to TW. You can also go check my KD ratio... I've been full DoT since nirvana > r8 > R9... 3.1 KD ratio... every psy with JOSD out there is not even in the ranking lol. It would be much higher if I had started PKing when I got my r9 (like most of the psys in the rank did), but no, I started with a FF sphere and tt90 so yeah...

    And btw... I can easily go into white voodoo and still have positive attack lvl. I love JoSD psys in white voodoo hitting me for 500's and still dying to my "squishy" build without getting to tick my charm.

    But hey, you must be really good if you post from an alt and not your psy... if you do have one... right?

    _Name_ - Harshlands wrote:
    If they psychic sees they are being hit couldnt he just switch to white vodoo or would that just be pointless?

    If you're a good psychic and know to play your class, you will know when to go into white voodoo, and that's not exactly when you're being hit... foresight and awareness... IJS
    negativereaction wrote:
    typically dying or dead by the time you realize there's incoming spike damage and channel white voodoo in a tw, particularly if you burned all your sockets on a few extra attack levels instead of boosting your damage reduction or hp count. might be alright if it's just 1 attacker and they were dumb enough to stun themselves off SoS.

    You should prolly see how many people I can take on at the same time... IJS


    Im tired of quoting... yeah, r9 sins one shot on my soul of retailiation if they fail to AD. And yes, I kill r9 sins unless I'm afk... and yes, why do we even listen to someone who posts from an alt and doesnt seem to have a psychic? He would post from it, wouldnt he?

    So guys... shard whatever u would like to shard... the result will depend on ur skills... b:bye
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  • draco5787
    draco5787 Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    negativereaction wrote: »
    ...wut

    i think you both misunderstood the question and misunderstood the limitations of s.o.v and s.o.r

    Hmm... limitations of Soul of Vengeance and Soul of retaliation. Nope i know what they are and all of what they can do... i have Sage Vengeance on my psy after all. Anyways i have seen sins Suicide on my psy when they don't pay attention to my buffs.

    Lets just say its funny to watch people take themselves out on my buffs, while i sit there.
  • VoItaire - Harshlands
    VoItaire - Harshlands Posts: 1,033 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Gorgonnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And btw... I can easily go into white voodoo and still have positive attack lvl.

    I never considered that and my entire opinion on the build has just been changed. The only thing I can think of that's better in sharding jades for psy is that you get twice the extra defense lvls than attack from DoT.
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Gorgonnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ever played a psychic? The way you talk, I guess not. You can ask any r9 that has fought me how "squishy" I am and how embarrassed they would be to bring me to TW. You can also go check my KD ratio... I've been full DoT since nirvana > r8 > R9... 3.1 KD ratio... every psy with JOSD out there is not even in the ranking lol. It would be much higher if I had started PKing when I got my r9 (like most of the psys in the rank did), but no, I started with a FF sphere and tt90 so yeah...

    And btw... I can easily go into white voodoo and still have positive attack lvl. I love JoSD psys in white voodoo hitting me for 500's and still dying to my "squishy" build without getting to tick my charm.

    But hey, you must be really good if you post from an alt and not your psy... if you do have one... right?

    If you're a good psychic and know to play your class, you will know when to go into white voodoo, and that's not exactly when you're being hit... foresight and awareness... IJS


    You should prolly see how many people I can take on at the same time... IJS


    Im tired of quoting... yeah, r9 sins one shot on my soul of retailiation if they fail to AD. And yes, I kill r9 sins unless I'm afk... and yes, why do we even listen to someone who posts from an alt and doesnt seem to have a psychic? He would post from it, wouldnt he?

    So guys... shard whatever u would like to shard... the result will depend on ur skills... b:bye

    i've decided to color code your post, since i'm only responding to parts of it, so you don't think i missed something.

    red = irrelevant (and often boastful; anyone can come onto the forums and boast their pvp highlights) anecdotes which will not be addressed, aside from noting that KD ratio means nothing since the best KD is obtained by killing as many low levels as possible; Kills on the ranking site are based on unique kills so the best 'strategy' is to kill a new batch of fresh level 30s every few days, IJS.

    blue = ad hominem attacks. lol K. (IJS)

    green = substantive text worth responding to. (IJS)

    positive attack level in white voodoo - yes, that's one of the few good points of a DoT build; standard JoSD build suffers severe diminishing returns from those Jades in white voodoo. on the other hand, a DoT build suffers from the same diminishing returns in black voodoo, IJS.

    while it's nice to be able to deal reasonable damage from white voodoo... the fact is that you're going to need to switch to black in order to kill most reasonably talented and geared players. and as soon as you do that, you'll not only suffer diminishing returns from having such a high attack level (DoT build will only get about 20% additional damage boost from those 24 DoTs), but you'll also lack the 40+ extra def levels that a standard JoSD psy build will have. the same well-geared players who you need black voodoo to kill, are likely also strong enough offensively to capitalize on that difference, IJS.

    sins 1shot themselves on AD - ...while for some geared sins that may be feasible, that's also primarily a function of soulforce, with those 24 DoTs only adding a bit to that damage number. JoSD builds with high soulforce can also do this. in any case, talking about players killing themselves on s.o.r is also a function of enemy ineptitude, IJS.

    shard whatever you like to shard - yes, the differences between an otherwise-equal JoSD and DoT build can be overcome by skill if the DoT player knows their class better. but so what? if both players are equally skilled, i'd much rather have a JoSD slotted psy on my side in TW than a DoT slotted one, IJS.

    edit: i have also decided to follow your lead and add a trendy "IJS" at the end of all my paragraphs. it makes my comments sound more persuasive.
  • /Eclipse - Harshlands43
    /Eclipse - Harshlands43 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I am with negativereaction in all points.

    Let me add one comment to "And btw... I can easily go into white voodoo and still have positive attack lvl"

    As a JosD psychic, compared to a DoT psychic, you can stay in black voodoo in a lot more situations and deal double the amount of damage of the DoT build. As a DoT psychic you need to switch to white voodoo to get comparable survivability that a JosD build has the whole time.
    For me its not worth to sacrifice like 40% damagereduce for just 20% more attackpower b:bye
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Why do you guys even listen to a noname alt who still uses 'EA' instead of the actual name of the class?
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Why do you guys even listen to a noname alt who still uses 'EA' instead of the actual name of the class?

    quoted in blue for ad hominem attacks. thanks for staring at my sexy avatar rather than the substantive content of my message.

    in any case, what /Eclipse said is the condensed version of my message.
  • OontzOontz - Dreamweaver
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    http://pwcalc.com/9f180300f48fd2b2

    For catapult. **** josd/dot.
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  • VoItaire - Harshlands
    VoItaire - Harshlands Posts: 1,033 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/9f180300f48fd2b2

    For catapult. **** josd/dot.

    I'm pretty sure if you were to use aster's sharding calc, josd still give more survivability than vit stones. Psys aren't barbs, putting them in HA doesn't change the fact they only get 10 hp per vit, so if you're gonna put grade 12 citrines in a warsoul weap, may as well change all of those vit stones to grade 12 citrines if not jades.

    Edit: Tested socket calc and jades give more than twice the survivability on that build than what vit stones offer.
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    pretty sure it was a troll post anyway. though i would kind of laugh if someone tried to run a white voodoo psy with well refined/sharded 99+ gear for cata pulling. colossal waste of money, i'd think, but it would be funny as hell. could be amusing to proc a bunch of silences with a high soulforce build too, and soul of stunning on cooldown.

    not that i'm recommending it, but don't lie, you'd laugh if you saw it in action.
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    That isn't a troll post.


    Literally there is a lvl 105 psychic on Harshland server that is full HA.
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  • VoItaire - Harshlands
    VoItaire - Harshlands Posts: 1,033 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    If you're talking about letsdance, I don't think he's 105 yet unless he's done any "special" FCs recently b:chuckle

    But he recently restatted pure mag anyway during the reset sale I guess

    That's the only HA psy I'v eknown to be running around HL anyway, at least the only one with +10 armor
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    like i said, i'd like to see it done, but it's like the evasion archer build with those 30% evasion magic rings refined to +12 (and over 13000 evasion total with good mdef). it sounds awesome in theory but everyone knows there are more cost-effective ways to make a useful build.
  • Ezehc - Lost City
    Ezehc - Lost City Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    my gear http://pwcalc.com/f09c91e5f7fbd73f
    yes im using some la cause i already had them +12
    Lost City Cheze Refining Service. Save up to 40% of orb cost for refines up to +9.

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  • RioNHale - Archosaur
    RioNHale - Archosaur Posts: 566 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Ezehc - Lost City wrote: »
    my gear http://pwcalc.com/f09c91e5f7fbd73f
    yes im using some la cause i already had them +12

    Im sorry, you +12 your R9 belt?
    Thats some real csing right there yo! Refine the unrefinable! b:laugh
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  • Ezehc - Lost City
    Ezehc - Lost City Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    RioNHale - Archosaur wrote: »
    Im sorry, you +12 your R9 belt?
    Thats some real csing right there yo! Refine the unrefinable! b:laugh

    yep since it wasn't displaying
    Lost City Cheze Refining Service. Save up to 40% of orb cost for refines up to +9.

    tinyurl.com/chezerefine

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