pack drop rates

DATALEC - Dreamweaver
DATALEC - Dreamweaver Posts: 96 Arc User
edited July 2011 in General Discussion
might be me might not be but when tiger packs was at full price they seemed to at least give a few more 5m tokens but since they have been 18 gold hard to get anything i opened 800 odd packs only got 1 dot 1 dod 4 plat hp and 6 best luck.
wonder if pwi half the drop rate when they put packs on sale or ive just been one unlucky ****...i smell pwi coin sink at play get people to use there coin to get cheap packs to gain 15 crappy tokens in a hope of maybe getting that lovely scroll of tome.
hmm maybe we could all make a law suit against pwi for feeding a gambling addiction even a casino has better odds of getting your money back than theses packs do but i i i just cant help myself b:dirty packs
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    As with all PWI conspiracy theories without evidence the answer is an obvious YES.
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  • Jay_Dubbz - Lost City
    Jay_Dubbz - Lost City Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Knowing PWE they prolly do mess around with the drop rate
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    DATALEC - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i smell pwi coin sink at play get people to use there coin to get cheap packs to gain 15 crappy tokens in a hope of maybe getting that lovely scroll of tome.

    Please explain how this is a coin sink, when coin goes from Player Alpha to Player Beta.
  • phenixmoon
    phenixmoon Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Please explain how this is a coin sink, when coin goes from Player Alpha to Player Beta.

    Player Beta buys a skill? Maybe he has future vision :P
  • swgs
    swgs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Please explain how this is a coin sink, when coin goes from Player Alpha to Player Beta.

    It sink coins from pack openers to merchants.
  • lyonitus
    lyonitus Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I did well with the biker packs while they were on sale. The tiger packs used to do real well for me on sale or not. Since they've been on sale this time they drop next to nothing.

    Guess thats why they turned off the Dukes shout, so you can't tell from watching chat how little the packs are putting out.
  • Pyrostormz - Raging Tide
    Pyrostormz - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    lyonitus wrote: »

    Guess thats why they turned off the Dukes shout, so you can't tell from watching chat how little the packs are putting out.

    or because everyone was complaining how annoying it was ?

    seriously. you people amaze me.....
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  • WaterLogged - Sanctuary
    WaterLogged - Sanctuary Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Opened 12 packs other day that i bought from cat shops in west arch, recieved 2 Lunar Capes, 1 Lunar weapon, DoT, 2 Plat, spirit charms and the rest tokens. Doesnt sound like lower drop rates too me, but I could just be 1 lucky ****.b:laugh
  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    They already nerfed Tiger Packs. They're called "Sunshine Packs" and/or "Coral Packs".

    If I've learned just one thing from playing PWI for 2 1/2 years, it's that people are superstitious lemmings when it comes to anything involving gambling. I should have been a casino owner. There's no need to mess around with probabilites in the least, since people will just hand you their money again and again, while manufacturing an endless supply of trends, lucky/unlucky streaks, and "they've changed the odds!" theories in their heads.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They already nerfed Tiger Packs. They're called "Sunshine Packs" and/or "Coral Packs".

    If I've learned just one thing from playing PWI for 2 1/2 years, it's that people are superstitious lemmings when it comes to anything involving gambling. I should have been a casino owner. There's no need to mess around with probabilites in the least, since people will just hand you their money again and again, while manufacturing an endless supply of trends, lucky/unlucky streaks, and "they've changed the odds!" theories in their heads.

    Oh but are you sure you'd make a good casino owner? What I've gathered from your writings, I'd take you for the kind of person who wouldn't actually punish card counters. If anything, I'd bet you'd go congratulate them on playing well.

    Or maybe that's just me.

    Then again, if you did own a casino, you'd most likely make enough money off the "normal" folk to ignore whatever card counting you might encounter.
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  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Oh but are you sure you'd make a good casino owner? What I've gathered from your writings, I'd take you for the kind of person who wouldn't actually punish card counters. If anything, I'd bet you'd go congratulate them on playing well.
    I'd do both. Card counting isn't illegal or cheating, it's just being smarter than the game designer. So I'd congratulate them, openly admit (and advertise) that if you're smart enough, you can make a profit playing Blackjack, and cite them as living proof, then kindly ask them to leave and forbid them from playing anymore.

    And then, of course, I'd sit back and rake in the profits from all the people who have deluded themselves into thinking they too can beat the game, but without having put in the necessary research, effort, and practice into actually doing it correctly..
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They already nerfed Tiger Packs. They're called "Sunshine Packs" and/or "Coral Packs".

    If I've learned just one thing from playing PWI for 2 1/2 years, it's that people are superstitious lemmings when it comes to anything involving gambling. I should have been a casino owner. There's no need to mess around with probabilites in the least, since people will just hand you their money again and again, while manufacturing an endless supply of trends, lucky/unlucky streaks, and "they've changed the odds!" theories in their heads.

    you should trace your family's heritage and see if there i any native american in your lineage.
    and get in on some casino action. your merchanting record would be very persuasive in securing a small business loan.
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  • Chadric - Heavens Tear
    Chadric - Heavens Tear Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    wait what? card counting isn't illegal or cheating? LOL wow where'd u get that from? they throw u in jail and/or kick u out of casinoes for good for CHEATING like that. **** if it wasnt' i would've learned how, gone to L.V. and got rich for a week or two and gone home with a ton of cash lmao
  • brazenbusboy
    brazenbusboy Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    You want us to believe you spent the over $14,000 in the hopes of getting an item?

    This is either a troll or one of the reasons all PW cares about is pack sales.
    Just some guy
  • DATALEC - Dreamweaver
    DATALEC - Dreamweaver Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    :-)
    What i ment by coin sink was IF they lower the drop rate of items when there on sale people tend to use there ingame coin to buy the packs so lets say i use some of my 1bill coin to buy 1000 packs thats aroudn 480m im going to get 150m back if all tokens so in that 1000 pack i have to get 330m in good items just to get my coin back.
    Odds are you dont get your coin back hence gambling you might get lucky get a few nice items but since lunar weapons only sell for 47m vit stones 44m dot 9m dod 22m lunar cape 70m cube stamp 110 and warsong belt 70m even if you get one of eaach you come up even.
    There used to be a % chart on pwi showing the odds on each item its seems to me thou when packs are on sale theres not many great items around even thou people are buying twice the amount.Packs not on sale less people opening but better items tend to surface more.
    I'm prity sure PWI doesnt want people to have lots of coin because if they did then nobody would charge cash to buy gold they would just open packs so they must use a system to show packs sold vs items won this way nobody would notice one might get lucky opening 10 packs while someone else just opened 500 got nothing.
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    DATALEC - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    :-)
    What i ment by coin sink was IF they lower the drop rate of items when there on sale people tend to use there ingame coin to buy the packs so lets say i use some of my 1bill coin to buy 1000 packs thats aroudn 480m im going to get 150m back if all tokens so in that 1000 pack i have to get 330m in good items just to get my coin back.
    Odds are you dont get your coin back hence gambling you might get lucky get a few nice items but since lunar weapons only sell for 47m vit stones 44m dot 9m dod 22m lunar cape 70m cube stamp 110 and warsong belt 70m even if you get one of eaach you come up even.
    There used to be a % chart on pwi showing the odds on each item its seems to me thou when packs are on sale theres not many great items around even thou people are buying twice the amount.Packs not on sale less people opening but better items tend to surface more.
    I'm prity sure PWI doesnt want people to have lots of coin because if they did then nobody would charge cash to buy gold they would just open packs so they must use a system to show packs sold vs items won this way nobody would notice one might get lucky opening 10 packs while someone else just opened 500 got nothing.

    That's not how a coin sink works. Certainly not if they use in-game money to buy packs.

    Player Alpha puts gold to sell in AH. Player Beta uses his coin to buy gold. Thus coin moved from Alpha to Beta, as Elena said. Same thing if they buy from a catshop...
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    DATALEC - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    :-)
    What i ment by coin sink was IF they lower the drop rate of items when there on sale people tend to use there ingame coin to buy the packs so lets say i use some of my 1bill coin to buy 1000 packs thats aroudn 480m im going to get 150m back if all tokens so in that 1000 pack i have to get 330m in good items just to get my coin back.
    Odds are you dont get your coin back hence gambling you might get lucky get a few nice items but since lunar weapons only sell for 47m vit stones 44m dot 9m dod 22m lunar cape 70m cube stamp 110 and warsong belt 70m even if you get one of eaach you come up even.
    There used to be a % chart on pwi showing the odds on each item its seems to me thou when packs are on sale theres not many great items around even thou people are buying twice the amount.Packs not on sale less people opening but better items tend to surface more.
    I'm prity sure PWI doesnt want people to have lots of coin because if they did then nobody would charge cash to buy gold they would just open packs so they must use a system to show packs sold vs items won this way nobody would notice one might get lucky opening 10 packs while someone else just opened 500 got nothing.

    OMG why do people keep think that just because coins are gone from YOU, it means a coin sink? Unless you are buying packs from a NPC, the 1 bil coins you spent still stay in the economy. You are sure PWI doesn't want people to have coins? OMG the logic in your last paragraph is so mindblowingly stupid I can't even... YOU CAN'T BUY PACKS DIRECTLY WITH COINS. Each pack opened are bought with gold. If "people have coins and no one charges gold" where the **** would they get the packs from? Please stop posting. You are an embarrassment to human race.
  • maitatsu
    maitatsu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I got a 20 packs just to stock up on tokens and got a Best Luck, HP Charm, AND Winged Lunar Glade Trophy out of them. O.O

    So......Yeah, ya just get lucky......
  • Ashivas - Dreamweaver
    Ashivas - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Chadric - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    wait what? card counting isn't illegal or cheating? LOL wow where'd u get that from? they throw u in jail and/or kick u out of casinoes for good for CHEATING like that. **** if it wasnt' i would've learned how, gone to L.V. and got rich for a week or two and gone home with a ton of cash lmao

    You're an idiot. Card counting isn't illegal nor is it cheating. It's simply frowned upon in casinos, and casinos reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, namely card counters who take their money.
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  • Abstractive - Archosaur
    Abstractive - Archosaur Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I HAVE noticed a decrease in the drop rate of valuable items when using the 18 gold for 50 packs option. Also, the drop rate from tiger packs in general IS signifficantly lower than the Easy Rider pack drop rate on a ratio of about 1 to 3.

    In short, I strongly believe PWE really is messing with the drop rates. Just goes to show how a good business is run.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Abstractive - Archosaur wrote: »
    I HAVE noticed a decrease in the drop rate of valuable items when using the 18 gold for 50 packs option. Also, the drop rate from tiger packs in general IS signifficantly lower than the Easy Rider pack drop rate on a ratio of about 1 to 3.

    In short, I strongly believe PWE really is messing with the drop rates. Just goes to show how a good business is run.

    easy riders chance for regular tokens is 97.025%
    tigers chance is 97%

    easy riders chance of MP charm is .5%
    tigers chance of MP charm is .4%

    what is this 1 to 3 ratio you are pulling out of ... thin air.
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Chadric - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    wait what? card counting isn't illegal or cheating? LOL wow where'd u get that from? they throw u in jail and/or kick u out of casinoes for good for CHEATING like that. **** if it wasnt' i would've learned how, gone to L.V. and got rich for a week or two and gone home with a ton of cash lmao

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_counting#Legal_status

    I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
  • Sharuum - Lost City
    Sharuum - Lost City Posts: 138 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_counting#Legal_status

    I read it on the internet, so it must be true.

    That's a good read. The thing that I haven't understood and hope that someone can clear up for me is the issue of getting the money out of the casino. I understand that I have only seen this in movies, but even recently (the hangover) they had to think of a way to distract the pit boss/security in order to escape. Do they not have to cash your chips if you are caught counting, or is this just Hollywood making vegas appear like the mob city it used to be?
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Sharuum - Lost City wrote: »
    That's a good read. The thing that I haven't understood and hope that someone can clear up for me is the issue of getting the money out of the casino. I understand that I have only seen this in movies, but even recently (the hangover) they had to think of a way to distract the pit boss/security in order to escape. Do they not have to cash your chips if you are caught counting, or is this just Hollywood making vegas appear like the mob city it used to be?

    - They have to suspect that you are counting cards and not just getting lucky. Pit Bosses are trained to notice various clues and body language that is indicative of this, as well as betting patterns. If you can fool them into thinking that you are just lucky, then you can get away with it.

    - Counting cards is not easy for the average person that actually tries it. If you make a mistake (and most people who try do make mistakes), it can cost you. Thus, casinos actually make more money on average from the average card counter, because the average card counter sucks at it.
  • BlazingSky - Dreamweaver
    BlazingSky - Dreamweaver Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I saw a documentary on casinos and card counting. If someone can count cards in their head, then it's not illegal at all and just gets aukward looks from the goons. If someone uses a device of some sort (anything outside of the human brain) to count cards, then it's illegal.
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