Becoming a Demon Psychic

Metalspawn - Harshlands

i have looked all over & no one can give me a straght ansure,
how in the hell do you become a "demon" as a "paychic"

if ya can give me a simple ansure that would be cool thanks

SoniMax - Sanctuary

Metalspawn - Harshlands wrote: »

i have looked all over & no one can give me a straght ansure,
how in the hell do you become a "demon" as a "paychic"

if ya can give me a simple ansure that would be cool thanks

i wouldn't suggest going demon but i hope this will help http://pwi.perfectworld.com/guide/spiritual_adept

ResMePls - Heavens Tear

I would suggest going Demon if you know you can afford +10 refines on all your gear. Demon SoV is killing while afk.

Sharuum - Lost City

For demon, you just get lvl 89 and make the demon choice on culti. But you need to buy skillbooks for it to get any real benefit other than demon spark and it costs a lot.

And ResMePls is completely correct. Demon gets some crazy skills but a bit less survivability, but if you already have r9+10, you dont need anymore survivability on psy. Hell, i would go demon just for earth vector but there are so many others that are nice too. Although soul of stunning on sage will make me QQ once i have good refines.

Metalspawn - Harshlands

ah ok thats what i was looking for thanks

supertroyman1

demon is focused more tords making reflect dmg stronger. if ur sure u can get good refines endgame go demon otherwise go sage

MaidenChina - Harshlands

...Good luck surviving as a demon Psychic in a PvP server swarming with Assassins. b:chuckle

VoItaire - Harshlands

I strongly advise you to go sage.

/Off-topic
Why do so many people think demon is "superior" just because it seems cooler? ~_~

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

There's a popular belief amongst aps crowds that demon is inherently better. It also comes from there being a huge influx in the last year or year and a half of demon clerics.

Rest assured, there's very little reason to play demon as a psychic when there's overwhelming bonuses to sage for PVE and PVP alike.

Sharuum - Lost City

I plan on going r9, which significantly changes the way you play your psy (being able to nearly break even in attack levels with white voodoo on). That bonus right there makes being sage overkill defensive for me.

I can see being sage if you want to "share the love", but we already get 3spark and psychic will for purify on ourselves. And at that point I wouldn't care about the MP cost of vengeance cuz i would have spirit charms 24/7 anyway. On the plus side for demon, you get a guaranteed 20% crit bonus along with the channeling buff with Tide Spirit, you get a chance at 50% crit with landslide, you will silence at least 1 in 3 hits on you, Earth Vector has just gotten put on steroids with that range increase.

I used to want to go sage for purify, but realized that you can't do that just for one skill.

Vancore - Sanctuary

Sharuum - Lost City wrote: »

I plan on going r9, which significantly changes the way you play your psy (being able to nearly break even in attack levels with white voodoo on). That bonus right there makes being sage overkill defensive for me.

I can see being sage if you want to "share the love", but we already get 3spark and psychic will for purify on ourselves. And at that point I wouldn't care about the MP cost of vengeance cuz i would have spirit charms 24/7 anyway. On the plus side for demon, you get a guaranteed 20% crit bonus along with the channeling buff with Tide Spirit, you get a chance at 50% crit with landslide, you will silence at least 1 in 3 hits on you, Earth Vector has just gotten put on steroids with that range increase.

I used to want to go sage for purify, but realized that you can't do that just for one skill.

sage BoL is one of many reasons why most psy goes sage, sage SoV, soul of stunning, empowered vigor, tide sprit, SoR, psy will, Sand burst, and aqua cannon are a lot of the others

Sharuum - Lost City

Vancore - Sanctuary wrote: »

sage BoL is one of many reasons why most psy goes sage, sage SoV, soul of stunning, empowered vigor, tide sprit, SoR, psy will, Sand burst, and aqua cannon are a lot of the others

Yeah, for PvE maybe. I will break down how I value them and would like some feedback if you don't mind.

BoL - Sage has obvious advantage

SoV - Although sage is good to cast on other people now since they wont QQ when they use all their MP, casting demon on myself with an MP charm will be crazy too. If I am doing pvp, id rather use the extra 4% damage I think.

SoS - At +12's in gear, i think they get an extra 1 to 2 seconds, which doesnt seem like too much to me. Its like 11 vs 13 second stun and I'd bet they would use a genie to break it before that anyway.

Empowered Vigor - I think the G-charm cooldown is mostly good for PvE and maybe putting on a barb or something. PvP, I don't ever plan on using this since it shares a cooldown with Diminished Vigor, which I feel is an essential part of our skillset. And I don't plan on letting their charm tick twice anyway.

Tide Spirit - Maybe the extra channeling seems okay, but 20% crit rate seems better to me. That gives us a chance for MAJOR burst damage, and increases our dps overall.

Psy Will - I will give this one to sage as well, 20% chance to cost no spark is meh.

Sand Blast - This one may be better on sage, but I would prefer the 8 meter aoe stun from demon earth vector instead.

Aqua Cannon - Odds are they are already within melee range when this is casted, so you get the benefit from running away, but with the animation plus lag, i can't see this being all that useful. Demon isn't much better tho.

If you feel otherwise let me know, but the way I see it, demon is better for PVP whereas sage is better for PvE.

MaidenChina - Harshlands

Demon is better for PvP? Orly?

Because....I'm looking at the rankings and...a really...really...really (really) big chunk of the people there...are sage.

Sharuum - Lost City

MaidenChina - Harshlands wrote: »

Demon is better for PvP? Orly?

Because....I'm looking at the rankings and...a really...really...really (really) big chunk of the people there...are sage.

And thats cuz they go sage for puri... I want a real discussion about which is better. I am not saying that demon is better for everyone, but I don't think its as open and closed as you want to believe it is.

LuciferV - Raging Tide

MaidenChina - Harshlands wrote: »

Demon is better for PvP? Orly?

Because....I'm looking at the rankings and...a really...really...really (really) big chunk of the people there...are sage.

Sage is good in pvp too , i was sage and went demon (ffs sage is so hard to be killed in pk xD) but sage or demon ... its just how you play your psy..

http://pwi.perfectworld.com/ranking?ranking=pvp&class=Psychic&server=all -trolls-

Risingson - Lost City

Sage is better. Longer duration on Psychic Will, longer duration on Soulburn, purify on Bubble of Life which allows you to do the Expel trick (a move that makes going Sage worth it all on its own), longer duration on Soul of Stunning, etc...

Demon is VERY nice for the reflect, and for Soul of Retaliation I'd say. Soul of Silence, not so much, cause even with sage version when you have high Soulforce (even 20k+) it triggers plenty often enough against APS classes, and it lasts longer when you're Sage. I guess Demon is also pretty nice because it gives you mad crit rate, with skills like Landslide or Tide Spirit (which quite frankly I doubt anybody ever really uses, unless they are massive chi pots consumers), but that's about it.

Sage all the way man.

VoItaire - Harshlands

Risingson - Lost City wrote: »

Sage is better. Longer duration on Psychic Will, longer duration on Soulburn, purify on Bubble of Life which allows you do to the Expel trick (a move that makes going Sage worth it all on its own), longer duration on Soul of Stunning, etc...

Demon is VERY nice for the reflect, and for Soul of Retaliation I'd say. Soul of Silence, not so much, cause even with sage version when you have high Soulforce (even 20k+) it triggers plenty often enough against APS classes, and it lasts longer when you're Sage. I guess Demon is also pretty nice because it gives you mad crit rate, with skills like Landslide or Tide Spirit (which quite frankly I doubt anybody ever really uses, unless they are massive chi pots consumers), but that's about it.

Sage all the way man.

Basically all of this. Although I would prefer sage retaliation over demon as well if the 15% hp heal comes after someone triggers it and not when casted.

LuciferV - Raging Tide

Risingson - Lost City wrote: »

Sage is better. Longer duration on Psychic Will, longer duration on Soulburn, purify on Bubble of Life which allows you to do the Expel trick (a move that makes going Sage worth it all on its own), longer duration on Soul of Stunning, etc...

Demon is VERY nice for the reflect, and for Soul of Retaliation I'd say. Soul of Silence, not so much, cause even with sage version when you have high Soulforce (even 20k+) it triggers plenty often enough against APS classes, and it lasts longer when you're Sage. I guess Demon is also pretty nice because it gives you mad crit rate, with skills like Landslide or Tide Spirit (which quite frankly I doubt anybody ever really uses, unless they are massive chi pots consumers), but that's about it.

Sage all the way man.

Again... Sage or demon.. its just how you play it..

Risingson - Lost City

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

Again... Sage or demon.. its just how you play it..

No.

/10char

Sharuum - Lost City

Thanks for all of the real responses. I have been seriously considering turning to the Light side these last couple days. I can see the benefits for both right now. I guess if I went sage, I wouldn't use tidal spirit at all, as 3 spark would be so much better. I have thought about the expel/puri glitch, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to rely on that. I guess the hardest thing for me to give up would be the crit% from tidal spirit, but idk. After some calculations, the 5 defense level from white voodoo actually seems to be more useful than I thought. Against a r9 with Jones' Blessing, it reduces damage by about 4.2%.

I guess I've got some time to think about it as I'm taking a break to level sins with my friend.

VoItaire - Harshlands

hmm, I'm not a math person, but I don't think 4.2% dmg reduction is really that useful, but maybe I'm just ignorant. idk about demons, but who really uses tide spirit when those sparks could be better put towards skills like vecter, psy will, and soulburn?

Euzebe - Sanctuary

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

hmm, I'm not a math person, but I don't think 4.2% dmg reduction is really that useful, but maybe I'm just ignorant. idk about demons, but who really uses tide spirit when those sparks could be better put towards skills like vecter, psy will, and soulburn?

Meh, I suppose a demon would. There are some situations where Tide Spirit, and even moreso the demon version, are far more useful than either Vector, Psy Will or Soulburn.

Sharuum - Lost City

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

hmm, I'm not a math person, but I don't think 4.2% dmg reduction is really that useful, but maybe I'm just ignorant. idk about demons, but who really uses tide spirit when those sparks could be better put towards skills like vecter, psy will, and soulburn?

4.2% is almost like increasing your hp using a puzzle cube, and we know how desirable those are. And that's 4.2% more than demon. And 5 defense levels is 2.5 JoSD, which is also amazing. I know it's not breathtaking like sage BoL or demon Tide Spirit, but all those little add-on's really become something good.

VoItaire - Harshlands

Sharuum - Lost City wrote: »

4.2% is almost like increasing your hp using a puzzle cube, and we know how desirable those are. And that's 4.2% more than demon. And 5 defense levels is 2.5 JoSD, which is also amazing. I know it's not breathtaking like sage BoL or demon Tide Spirit, but all those little add-on's really become something good.

You do have a good point there, I was just a bit skeptical on it since you won't always be in white voodoo(though you will when not fighting outside sz I hope)

Kerona - Sanctuary

Bleh, just some notes.

BoL - Sage has obvious advantage

In PVP I use Sage BOL to purify my squad mates from stuns or myself from nix bleeds/dots/hp reducers/pdef reduces while saving my sparks.

SoV - Although sage is good to cast on other people now since they wont QQ when they use all their MP, casting demon on myself with an MP charm will be crazy too. If I am doing pvp, id rather use the extra 4% damage I think.

In PvP you run out of mana faster than you'd think. Yes, a mana charm solves this to some extent, but as a R9 Psy anticipate being ganked or being in group v you situations more often. God forbid someone aps you while using a mana drain while you are trying to get off a spell. In PvE sage is more useful, period.

SoS - At +12's in gear, i think they get an extra 1 to 2 seconds, which doesnt seem like too much to me. Its like 11 vs 13 second stun and I'd bet they would use a genie to break it before that anyway.

2 seconds = one whole spell cast. Worth gambling?

Empowered Vigor - I think the G-charm cooldown is mostly good for PvE and maybe putting on a barb or something. PvP, I don't ever plan on using this since it shares a cooldown with Diminished Vigor, which I feel is an essential part of our skillset. And I don't plan on letting their charm tick twice anyway.

Again, plan to be ganked. Using Diminshed Vigor on one target, who may die instantly, versus using it on yourself and becoming more survivable by a wide berth.

Tide Spirit - Maybe the extra channeling seems okay, but 20% crit rate seems better to me. That gives us a chance for MAJOR burst damage, and increases our dps overall.

Demon Tide Spirit is nice. Very nice. It would be the ONLY reason most of us would consider going Demon.

Psy Will - I will give this one to sage as well, 20% chance to cost no spark is meh.

Clear cut.

Sand Blast - This one may be better on sage, but I would prefer the 8 meter aoe stun from demon earth vector instead.

Hm... Range on an AOE in PvP is most useful in group v group or group v self situations. In small PK it's not often that two people coming at you are going to be grouped up nicely, though I'm sure it will happen. In mass pk (TW) I can see both being useful.

Aqua Cannon - Odds are they are already within melee range when this is casted, so you get the benefit from running away, but with the animation plus lag, i can't see this being all that useful. Demon isn't much better tho.

TBH This skill leaves me question marking, too. Both sage and demon. Maybe someone can explain where it is best used? Barb runs up to me, I Aqua Cannon because it is a hard hitting skill.... he gets slowed.... I holy path? It is a nice hard hitting aoe 360 but the slow effect boggles me.

Sharuum - Lost City

Kerona, I like your reasoning that you need to plan to be ganked. As I haven't even chosen an alignment yet, I am trying to get a feel for what would be useful. So far, I have been guessing as to what endgame is like for a PSY. I kept looking at what happens when I get the jump (in which case I think Demon would be better), but haven't been looking at what happens when they see me first. I just started using my PSY in some lower TW's and haven't had enough time to even see what normal PSY PvP is like.

My question to you about SoS is this: is it very likely that they will actually wait for the 11+ second stun to wear off, or will they use genie or something to get around it? If the former is true, they yes, I would like Sage quite a bit. If the latter is true, I don't see there being any actual advantage with this skill for Sage.

I really want to figure out how to use Aqua Cannon in PvP effectively. If we had a teleport like Wizzies, that would be almost as useful as Purify.

Havilah - Sanctuary

PVE wise, I confirmed that Tidespirit did stack with Rebirth's attack aura, contrary to sparking, as I readed in this forum. Only reason I has been leveling that skill. I guess the extra channeling if I get the sage version will come in handy to throw 1 or 2 more aoe at light speed...

And speaking of Aqua cannon, it look more fit for RB than pvp imo. Demon version's water dot would be better, but the freeze of sage has potential since usually a psy is standing in the middle of 1 or 2 zhenner.

Kings_tides - Raging Tide

Sharuum - Lost City wrote: »

I really want to figure out how to use Aqua Cannon in PvP effectively.

Simple, it has the longest "Safe" duration. if your getting ganked by a sin, and you think he's going to stealth, use AC. even if he's stealthed once its channeling, it usually will still cast, and it actually is your hardest hitting aoe, untill you get crystal light and a good weapon. (and if you mention stone smasher, you prob dont need my advice about AC either) i love this skill when killing heads in fc tho, for the same reason, if someone kills the head youve targeted, it usually still goes off if there's another head in the radius.

Sharuum - Lost City

Kings_tides - Raging Tide wrote: »

Simple, it has the longest "Safe" duration. if your getting ganked by a sin, and you think he's going to stealth, use AC. even if he's stealthed once its channeling, it usually will still cast, and it actually is your hardest hitting aoe, untill you get crystal light and a good weapon. (and if you mention stone smasher, you prob dont need my advice about AC either) i love this skill when killing heads in fc tho, for the same reason, if someone kills the head youve targeted, it usually still goes off if there's another head in the radius.

If the sin stealths, would it pop him out of it? Stone smasher is cool, but I think I will be buying Sandball Clash first tho.

Risingson - Lost City

Aqua Cannon is awesome when you are being ganked by several melee classes. Like say a BM and a Sin, or several BMs etc. Pop an anti-stun pot, use Psychic Will and go Aqua Cannon, total slaughter.

Szal - Harshlands

when i made the decision to go demon like 1 year ago, it wa for the purpose of better ganking solely. wanted that extra dmg and extra burst, as it required hella good egars to get decent crit rates as psy.
nowadays with r9 and stuff around id say sage got the lead , as it is just more of an overall package.