Once again, about Krav Maga, Saber Rattle and Mind Shatter.

Chrisalys - Dreamweaver

Well I come here to once again talk about this 2 seeker skills that are a complete failure.
Hell, having at most 3 atk lv or 5 def lv (at skills max lv) to all your squad for 30 minutes looks cool, but doesn't worth a Mirage Celestone.
An Archer can freely buff everyone for evasion and speed, sins can buff bloodpaint, venos brambleguard, psychics can cast soul of silence on cleric and empowered vigor on tank, bms has golden bell, wizards has frostblade, mystics has resurrection. Barbs has BKI and SotT, do I need to say a word about clerics buffs? do i
need to say how useful all these buffs are? They are FREE to cast.

Seekers are the only class that can buff NO-ONE unless he/she spends a 15k worthy item, this is an atrocity.

An different QQ here: Mind Shatter is NOT working properly, not increasing Critical Strike rate for water and wood skills as said. I spent money and spirit on that to be useful, and I want it working. Soul shatter does increase damage output, but doesn't increase critical strike rate too. tested thousands of times with my friend's psychic and mystic about one week ago, the both debuffs. Heart shatter works fine.

seekers are unpowered buged. please, fix it. b:cry

I want to know WHAT makes a seeker special and why am I wrong on all my QQing here. For now, seekers lose hardly to all other classes on damage, tanking, supporting, PvP, soloing. What is seekers real purpose? Did I lose my time and money leveling this b***h to lv 70, or will seekers be fixed? b:cry

Edit: Cut some QQing and focus on the real subject im here to say about.

K i been a bit exagerated. I think fixing Mind Shatter bug and removing this cost on Krav maga and Saber Rattle, seekers will fit better the game.
We seekers still unpowered as we dont have stuns, but at least our buffs and debuffs must be working properly and worthy casting so we can quit QQing.

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I'm thinking on editing the above post and removing some stupid QQing .-.

LovesTragedy - Lost City

Honestly, I dont think the mirage cost is too bad. There is no need for those buffs until late game anyways, and at that point mirages are easy to get. A single solo HH run provides enough to buff for a few days, not to mention BH100 mirage rewards. I'm not exactly a rich person, but I still buff every squad I run in with one or the other. Sometimes both if some want a different one than the other.

Lulznotwar - Lost City

I love how shelly edits out QQing...

THis isnt communism everyones allowed their oppinion regardless of how dumb it may seem to others.

And Really yeah, its kinda rubbish you have to pay a mirage but hey, whats a 10k stone these days? as Loves said they are so easy to farm

chaoticshelly

Lulznotwar - Lost City wrote: »

I love how shelly edits out QQing...

I didn't edit the post - its as it was posted originally, I simply merged double posting.

Risingson - Lost City

Seekers in PvP are actually pretty badass. I fought one recently, with equal gears, and damn he was tough to kill, and he hit me super hard. I mean, he hit me for nearly 3k per spell in White Voodoo (well, between 1k-1k5 and 3k) and he reduced a ton of the damage I dealt, healed, and was just incredibly hard to take down.

The fights against him lasted several minutes, were very back and forth, and I have to admit I didnt expect that from a Seeker. Before that I would have thought they didnt shine much in PvP, but that pretty much changed my mind about it.

Quilue - Sanctuary

5 def lvls is like...2 and a half extra Jades...

If your mirage cost over the course of your Seeker play ever comes out to more than 25-50m (depends on server I guess) then you can complain.

Or just have your squad pay like 3k each for the buff.

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

5 def lvls is like...2 and a half extra Jades...

If your mirage cost over the course of your Seeker play ever comes out to more than 25-50m (depends on server I guess) then you can complain.

Or just have your squad pay like 3k each for the buff.

^This. At first I also thought they were crazy. Paying mirage for buffs? Then I realised that each attack/defense lvl would be worth the same as a gem that gives +attack or defense lvl.
It are pretty good buffs actually and as mentioned before, if you run a couple of TT's you already got quite some mirages...

About mindshatter... never noticed, never payed attention. I use it on everything just for the sake of chi... b:lipcurl

Chrisalys - Dreamweaver

Lets say hp buff costs a mirage.
Or 2 of clerics AoE buffs do. That wouldn't be cool. These buffs are so powerful as seeker ones. b:cry
Its QQing, ok. But let say it has a bit of rightness.
At all, it isnt that hard to farm mirages, it it?

And one more thing: Seekers buffs ain't cumulative each other, so only one can be used at a time. Really, the game system is hardening the use of these buffs

Not complaining about the non-stacking but about the mirage cost. Everyone does aoe buffs for free and seekers has to pay a chance to refine an armor to buff for 30 minutes.

Buffing 3 times costs a lv 1 genie. You hand a lv 1 genie to buff 3 times, which other class do that?

An other QQing about this is that if you start casting the skill and then cancel it, the mirage is still consumed but the buff isnt given. I know this because a guy gave me 1 mirage to buff atk lv and i started casting Krav maga, when I canceled to cast saber rattle, the mirage were consumed and the deflv buff wasnt given.

LovesTragedy - Lost City

Actually, thats not a fair comparison though. Cleric and barb buffs are lost on death or dc, ours arent. Not to mention that a pill for a cleric or barb buff comes out to about 4k in guild base, where as to equal our buffs with an item, as others said, you are looking at the price of Jade of Steady Defense x2, so about 50m.

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary

LovesTragedy - Lost City wrote: »

Actually, thats not a fair comparison though. Cleric and barb buffs are lost on death or dc, ours arent. Not to mention that a pill for a cleric or barb buff comes out to about 4k in guild base, where as to equal our buffs with an item, as others said, you are looking at the price of Jade of Steady Defense x2, so about 50m.

50 mil is what our buffs are worth...
hmm

seeker buffs 5 spots left in squad! 50 mil each member that joins! b:avoid

Anyway... be glad that pwi charges a mirage and not just 50mil. b:laugh

Chrisalys - Dreamweaver

Thinking at this pov... b:shutup

K i can't complain much as well. Hope Mind Shatter and Soul Shatter Crit bonues are fixed.

I was thinking yet yesterday, paying a mirage to buff a lv 3 krav maga for 5 def levels for 30 minutes worths. Im just a newbiester that can only buff 1 def lvl. 1 deflvl for 30 min < Mirage celestone, but 5 Deflvl for 30min = Mirage celestone (worthy).

K I aint endgame yet so i cant say much :S
I just wanted to participate in the buffs moment when everyone else is buffin squad b:surrender

I have psy and mystic friends and we tested on TT and at the 51, and Mind Shatter does not increase crit strike rate as said in description.

Ashgaroth - Lost City

seekers do have a couple short stuns depending on stance we use and, we are pretty hard to kill. i have killed 9x wiz psy and sins and im lvl 75. i can tank better than most bms. can solo fb51 including wyvern at 75 and soloed raged wraith chief

Namari - Dreamweaver

Or you can do what my fiance does--he offers the buffs in exchange for a mirage. Everyone in squad gets the buff, he gets compensated for the mirage. Everyone's happy.

Chrisalys - Dreamweaver

Ashgaroth - Lost City wrote: »

seekers do have a couple short stuns depending on stance we use and, we are pretty hard to kill. i have killed 9x wiz psy and sins and im lvl 75. i can tank better than most bms. can solo fb51 including wyvern at 75 and soloed raged wraith chief

Whoa

Indeed, maybe I need too much more training b:surrender
And I may also try out better these mirage costing skills so i can say if it worths. both at lv 1 and dam just 4k spirit >_<"

as said, even a lv 1 saber rattle would be like a diamond o tiger for 30 minutes in aoe, so maybe it worths using.

Well my skills are all outdated
I use soulsever more often as parched blade has at most 20% chance to inflict the bloodlet, makes me lazy on using it.

RawrGummy - Dreamweaver

Another thing to think about, is that our squad buffs are effectively, a rune (buffs the weapon, not the player). And 1 mirage is also cheaper than making runes and handing them out to a squad in each run. b:chuckle

While I would love if they removed the mirage cost of the buff, I'm okay with it being there. The EG race were made as a fund-sucking class anyway. Seeker cost a mirage to buff and has to spam (and I mean SPAM) MP food to keep a zen up, and mystic has some of the highest MP cost skills I've seen in game (also requiring them to use quite a bit more MP food than other magic classes, though still not quite as much as a perma-vortex seeker).

Mor_Toran - Sanctuary

Ashgaroth - Lost City wrote: »

seekers do have a couple short stuns depending on stance we use and, we are pretty hard to kill. i have killed 9x wiz psy and sins and im lvl 75. i can tank better than most bms. can solo fb51 including wyvern at 75 and soloed raged wraith chief

Yes, I saw a video of a Seeker tanking Pole and Nob at 80 with only one cleric. There are some barbs that have trouble doing that, and BM's or Sin's don't stand a chance. (Well maybe a BM if they had super gear, but we're talking about average gear here. Nothing Special.)

Personally I think that the mirage cost is worth it. I just farm TT for them and don't worry about charging anyone. A 1-1 run is easy to solo and you get a decent number of mirage for your effort.

spholof

no point complaining.....the dog-eating Chinese devs don't give a sh*t.

Kookaburra - Lost City

i can tank anything perfectly fine with just a single cleric which my girlfriend usually fills in as. as for the mirage cost its not really needed until later levels. im 68 and never had a squad complain cause i didn't buff them for the simple fact i don't have mirages on me. (got fairy box's in bank waiting for 70)