Fist/Claw Comparison (Clearing it up once and for all)

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

I took a look at the BM forums today, and every page seem to have a 'what fists are the best' thread, so I made this to clear it all up.


+10 with G11 Garnets

Deicides :

http://pwcalc.com/e9de5c2243fd73b0

(12995+14607)/2*1.21*5

=83497

And soul infect proc

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TT100s :

http://pwcalc.com/3e2b672080f534ef

(13713+15639)/2*1.25*5

=91725

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Recast (G13) Nirvana Claws:

http://pwcalc.com/5daaaee5b0fc8387

(13704+15573)/2*1.21*5

=88563

And soul infect proc

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Quenched (G15) Nirvana Claws:

Not counting any other adds but a -0.05 add.

http://pwcalc.com/fcd2fbc5bc31172c

(14891+17305)/2*1.21*5

=97393

And another add-on plus a unique add on.

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Recast (G13) TT Nirvana Fists :

http://pwcalc.com/6b66c1c60a51f813

(15104+15721)/2*1.24*4

=76446

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Quenched (G15) Nirvana Fists :

Not counting any other adds but a -0.05 add

http://pwcalc.com/7fe8eae2aab029f5

(15758+16531)/2*1.21*5

=97674

And another add-on plus a unique add on

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+12 with G12 Garnets

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G13 Nirvana Fist is not counted because it's not really economically viable.

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Deicide :

http://pwcalc.com/6f3a0c5fa0abbedb

(16393+18005)/2*1.21*5

=104054

And soul infect proc

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TT100 :

http://pwcalc.com/44d269caec815e06

(16698+18623)/2*1.25*5

=110378

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Recast (G13) Nirvana Claws :

http://pwcalc.com/4f54ad39a38cf60b

(17103+18972)/2*1.21*5

=109127

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Quenched (G15) Nirvana Claws :

Not counting any adds but a -0.05 add

http://pwcalc.com/9dc49da126abc087

(18383+20704)/2*1.21*5

=118238

And another add-on plus a unique add on

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Quenched (G15) Nirvana Fists

Not counting any adds but a -0.05 add

http://pwcalc.com/23adfcfd4ae101fc

(19156+19930)/2*1.21*5

=118235

And another add-on plus a unique add on

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TL;DR:

For +10 with G11 Garnet, it goes

-G15 NV Fists (97674)
-G15 NV Claws (97393)
-TT100s (91725)
-G13 NV Claw (88563)
-Deicides (83497)
-G13 NV Fists (76446)

For +12 with G12 Garnet, it goes

-G15 NV Claws (118238)
-G15 NV Fists (118235)
-TT100s (110378)
-G13 NV Claws (109127)
-Deicide (104054)

I have not taken into account the procs of G15 Nirvana weaponry, nor have I taken into account their costs. This is the raw data and based on this you can make an informed choice yourself.


Costs :

Deicides - varies a lot server to server, bare in mind I calculated with 2 socket Deicides
TT100 - 150m + Soul Relic (1m-2m), guaranteed 2 socket
G13 Nirvana - TT99 fists + 100 raptures + cost of 2nd socket
G15 Nirvana - TT99 fists + 250 Raptures + cost of 2nd socket

Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver

This clears nothing up. Everyone knows how they all compare in terms of raw 5 aps dps. But how do you quantify soul infect? Maybe soul infect makes G13 > TT100 even though G13 has less raw dps. What about common attacks? Maybe G13/TT100 > g15 in pvp due to G15 only being 3.33 aps common. While these questions exist the question 'what is best?' will still exist.

While were doing math though can you please explain how attack level effects damage output? I was going to ask you on the archer forums but now that you're here I'll ask now instead.



Maybe we should go back to the dark ages of the BM forums and say fists/claws suck! Axes or gtfo! >.>

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This clears nothing up. Everyone knows how they all compare in terms of raw 5 aps dps. But how do you quantify soul infect? Maybe soul infect makes G13 > TT100 even though G13 has less raw dps. What about common attacks? Maybe G13/TT100 > g15 in pvp due to G15 only being 3.33 aps common. While these questions exist the question 'what is best?' will still exist.

While were doing math though can you please explain how attack level effects damage output? I was going to ask you on the archer forums but now that you're here I'll ask now instead.



Maybe we should go back to the dark ages of the BM forums and say fists/claws suck! Axes or gtfo! >.>

Soul infect can be treated as a 10% amp on any target thats worth killing. So soul infect makes deicides better than tt 100 for anything but nirvana or pvp vs people with crappy gear however its by a tiny gap so they could be considered even (its just that deicides are what, 1/3 the cost?).

+ attack level affects your damage as added attack level/current+100 so a +20 attack level proc is roughly a 15.3% boost

Ofc this math has been run before...like 20 times, its just that most bm's on this forum are to tarded to use the search function and hive minded enough to see somone make a tread and think "man, I want one of those" So heres what was figured long ago in a galexyy far far away

for PvP assumeing +10-+12

G 15 with 2x - int and 20 attack
Warsoul claws
G 15 with 20 attack and -,05
warsoulfists (no really they're a joke)
G 13
G 15 with -.05
Deicides/TT100, depends on the rings
Rank 8

for pve g 15 with revenge or +20, below that just use deicides or if your an oddball want cheap fists already have all the int gear in game from another main, are saveing for g 13/g15 or just have a dph fetish. and are planning to get rank 9 anyways rank 8 fists are quite nice at low refines and 4 aps.

On a side note you left out both rank 8 fists and warsoul fist/claws boogie

Okeano - Harshlands

If you think this will stop the thread of "which fists?" LOL...