wiz in delta

Asherkill - Raging Tide

i see peeps looking for aoe dd for delta. i want to try it out what kinda gear hp and phy def do you need also what is the benefits of doing delta. thx

Adroit - Lost City

Asherkill - Raging Tide wrote: »

i see peeps looking for aoe dd for delta. i want to try it out what kinda gear hp and phy def do you need also what is the benefits of doing delta. thx

I finished my first delta with like 3.6k hp and 4k pdef (self buffed at level 90).. although most parties are pretty elitist nowadays and wouldn't even consider someone with those stats. It'll probably take a few times before you really understand what to do, just keep in mind your job is not to tank. If you start taking aggro with dragons breath, you need to immediately do something to keep yourself alive. That means drop dragons breath and run in circles or something till someone else takes aggro.. or maybe expel yourself. It is going to be your job to control your aggro (and stay alive), don't expect your squad to keep the aggro off you. Keep in mind you don't need to sit there using dragons breath 24/7, sometimes it is a better idea to drop ultis or kite mobs while your party takes them off you.

Benefits of delta are getting your cultis done.. immac/perf shards can drop from the bonus mob, a bit of exp (like 1-2m if I remember right), coin from bonus mobs, mystical tome frags.. and it's kinda fun imo.

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver

Around what lvl you recommend to go into Delta and also which with kind of gear?

Adroit - Lost City

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Around what lvl you recommend to go into Delta and also which with kind of gear?

well the req is 86+ and it really just depends on the party and how competent you are as a wizard. There are a few people that could go in with a 9x wep and no gear on.. others that'd probably want full r9 +10 with jades. If you know how to control your aggro, you won't need a ton of hp/pdef.. if you plan to open up dragons breath and drool over your keyboard.. you're going to need some pretty good gear.

Evanera - Heavens Tear

Or you could be cool and open up with Sage BIDS on Frenzy, then set up DB with 50% crit rolling over for 10 seconds.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

job is not to tank? but the job keeps sticking on wizards :P

*drools*

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Or you could be cool and open up with Sage BIDS on Frenzy, then set up DB with 50% crit rolling over for 10 seconds.

Is this a guide on how to do delta, or how to die in delta? b:chuckle

Evanera - Heavens Tear

It's a guide for wizards who are good enough to survive while doing that. b:cute

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's a guide for wizards who are good enough to survive while doing that. b:cute

I can't imagine you'd survive after you hit frenzy lol
Than again if you time it right the mobs will only come to you after it ended

Evanera - Heavens Tear

I can do it, and not even tick. Even on wave 9-3/4

It's..not hard.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Keep in mind Evanera suffers from delusions of grandeur and I bet has pretty much everything +10-12 R9 and if the bandwagon is any indication likely sharded with JOSD (or in the rare squishy case, DOT).

The main issue for any normal wizard is going to be having all the aggro -- well over 90%+ wizards are going to have difficulty the longer they have aggro, especially without intervention to keep physical dmg mobs from attacking. It's important to have good barbs and BM's who will roar, stunlock, alpha, and otherwise help keep the ****-ton of melee mobs off of you who would pretty much plaster you should BB drop like in 3/9. Also, consider what auras the BM puts up. If you find yourself taking too much damage (make sure your buff filter is unchecked for delta) expel yourself, and if this is still the case, go oldschool and drop DB and hailstorm or WOP. Really it's a matter of timing. If you wanna be a penny pincher drop it before you ever even tick a charm. As a bonus, it's helpful to have other DD's in the squad that might take aggro off of you (seeker/psy), or help seal/stun (psy/veno).

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

As an extra also, always make sure the BM does what you want.

May sound weird, but as the main aggro stealer AND squishy DD, you are not only needed, but also in constand danger of dieing.
Therefore, the auras should be set as YOU need them

Fistol - Raging Tide

you guys make me want to go delta ^.^

thumbs

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

As an extra also, always make sure the BM does what you want.

May sound weird, but as the main aggro stealer AND squishy DD, you are not only needed, but also in constand danger of dieing.
Therefore, the auras should be set as YOU need them

^^ Look out for the heckler that keeps demanding more (3,4,5+) atk auras with little to no defense or health aura. I just put on might rings, switch to lighter hitting weapon with vit/def, and swap out the Jone's blessing for the attendance defense charm and hope we make it through (and I'm still getting the aggro after all that). Then avoid that person in RB again. The best squads I've been in were when the atk, def, and health auras were fairly even. Chi gets undervalued also. More chi means more HF, more good AoE from other toons (I best know veno which takes 2sparks for Nova 2 for Malefic, and 20 Chi for Myriad).

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

thumbs wrote: »

^^ Look out for the heckler that keeps demanding more (3,4,5+) atk auras with little to no defense or health aura. I just put on might rings, switch to lighter hitting weapon with vit/def, and swap out the Jone's blessing for the attendance defense charm and hope we make it through (and I'm still getting the aggro after all that). Then avoid that person in RB again. The best squads I've been in were when the atk, def, and health auras were fairly even. Chi gets undervalued also. More chi means more HF, more good AoE from other toons (I best know veno which takes 2sparks for Nova 2 for Malefic, and 20 Chi for Myriad).

I'm pritty sure with chi 1 most BM's already use HF on cooldown :P

But yes, I LOVE chi on 3 or 4. It actually allows me to drop DB and STILL be usefull (spam AoE's). I do it alot on stun waves.
But yes, I always make it very clear that I choise which aura's we get. Though I only run with people I know of that they know what theyr doing (or with friends that need to learn. I love learning people how to delta. Know every role there is, and I can sit in DB and still chat)

@Fistol: It takes a certain type of player to like delta (and usually those type of players roll wizzys XD), but if you do, and you can get a good squad, it's an awesome thing to do. Just seeing everyone's work getting tougether in powning the mobs and staying alive is really great.
And it's always a challange, not like boring old TT/FC/Nirvana/w/e other boss that is always the same.

Fistol - Raging Tide

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm pritty sure with chi 1 most BM's already use HF on cooldown :P

But yes, I LOVE chi on 3 or 4. It actually allows me to drop DB and STILL be usefull (spam AoE's). I do it alot on stun waves.
But yes, I always make it very clear that I choise which aura's we get. Though I only run with people I know of that they know what theyr doing (or with friends that need to learn. I love learning people how to delta. Know every role there is, and I can sit in DB and still chat)

@Fistol: It takes a certain type of player to like delta (and usually those type of players roll wizzys XD), but if you do, and you can get a good squad, it's an awesome thing to do. Just seeing everyone's work getting tougether in powning the mobs and staying alive is really great.
And it's always a challange, not like boring old TT/FC/Nirvana/w/e other boss that is always the same.

I only done Gamma once, the squad was new good thing we didn't get wipe in stage 1.
So that counts for something b:laugh
well we are all new .. so i didnt expect much either. b:chuckle

, haven gotten to the level for delta is the setup exactly the same or are there some changes?

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I finished my first delta with like 3.6k hp and 4k pdef (self buffed at level 90).. although most parties are pretty elitist nowadays and wouldn't even consider someone with those stats.

In delta it is really important that BM and Barb do their job. Unless a wizard has Top gear and refinements he wont be able to be the main aoe tank in a delta so it is the job of those 2 classes to get the aggro away from the aoe DDs. The fact that most parties wouldnt invite someone with these stats is simply that they are lazy and or lack skills in playing their class. So instead of complaining about the wiz that has only 3.6k hp they should think about their aggro management and the auras.

I failed several times in W2+ with a squad in delta because i had aggro all of the time and phys mobs ***** me because neither the bm nor the barb were able to hold aggro or stun the mobs. With another squad i did full delta without problems with 2 charmticks in all the 9 waves.

However since seekers are around hp of a wiz doesnt matter anyway since they are going to keep the aggro in delta anyway because their vortex does twice the dmg of DB especially when phys debuffs are used. So i decided for myself that i will do delta again ( have to for OHT 4th map culti xD) but i only will go with a squad where i know the other players

greetz harm0wnie

PS: and PWI should finally fix the Bug where you get ported to 1k when you die -.-

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Fistol - Raging Tide wrote: »

I only done Gamma once, the squad was new good thing we didn't get wipe in stage 1.
So that counts for something b:laugh
well we are all new .. so i didnt expect much either. b:chuckle

, haven gotten to the level for delta is the setup exactly the same or are there some changes?

It's basicly the same, exept ofcourse that the mobs hit harder.
And the boss now comes with the mobs on x-5. On the higher waves the boss also some sort of interupt (be it single target or aoe, it'll mess up the zhen setup. If BB goes down with all the mobs still there, you may very well wipe), so it's the job of the veno to tank the boss while the squad kills the mobs (or whoever is doing the veno job).

Also they don't come in elemental waves anymore, the mobs have no element

A few more differences:
There are no bleed or reflect mobs. (I remember my gammas with bleed ticks doing 1,5k dmg cause of horrible barb/BM b:surrender).
A few waves in delta are filled with stun mobs. It's where most squad's fail. Be sure to pack some anti stun apo's (vacullity powder) before you go.
I don't remember how it was in gamma, but delta is FILLED with archer mobs. With the wrong setup they'll mass attack the cleric, who can die pritty fast than

Minimus_ - Sanctuary

Asherkill - Raging Tide wrote: »

i see peeps looking for aoe dd for delta. i want to try it out what kinda gear hp and phy def do you need also what is the benefits of doing delta. thx

Benefits: xp, spirit, tome frags (decent price for it atm), shards and coin you receive after each stage.

This is an older general guide:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=4215172&postcount=5

You set up DB at mobs and use normal skills at bosses. As mentioned 3-4k hp may be enough with a decent squad. I usually don't stop DB but equip a different low level weapon or unequip weapon completely until less mobs atk. But you can stop it and run around a bit. Pdef charm and expel, AD etc. helps. Rb delta has 9 stages + endboss. Stage 3 and 9 are the hardest. All stages have 5 waves of mobs. The last wave includes a boss that can interrupt the wiz and also the clerics BB (I don't remember which). Stage 3 wave 4 and 5 and stage 9 wave 3-5 are harder. I am not just using DB at mobs but bids/BT/MS when bm HFs the incoming wave and set up DB afterwards.

Full delta takes 1.5h -3h+. Being in vent, TS or skype etc helps a lot if you didn't do delta yet.