Hard decision, Mystic or Venomancer??

smiling4me

Im having trouble choosing between MYSTICS or VENOMANCERS??

ive looked at the wiki pros and cons and it seems that venomancers op a bit, altho mystics are semi-healers which is pretty useful for parties right?

I like the summons that mystics have but are they any good? (from experienced players point of view)

I really cant decide which is better to play as i like both to summon pets which are good for me.

Any help from experienced players would be deeply appreciated!

rgog

If pets is the most important part of your decision I would go with Veno - you can solo a lot with your pets and you rarely have to meditate for health or mana. Fox form is also handy for debuffs and you can even decide to melee a bit.

Mystics are fun and rezz buff is handy, you can also enjoy playing around with your plants, heals and even some decent DD be prepared to always me low on mana and sucking pots like no tomorrow.

smiling4me

are mystic summons really helpful and good for combat?? they look pretty cool as summons!!

i mean if ur always low on mana it should be okay if ur able to sit and meditate to regen this right?

Renza - Raging Tide

If you plan for end game PvP/TW, perhaps go veno? there always needed in TWs for there debuffs/amp and of course if you get a nix, then your a decent threat, mystics are also good for TW due to there res buff which works wonders when your guild is rushing the base etc, but still a fully geared veno with a nix may still be the better choice. (I have both and used both in pvp/tw so trying not to be biased)

PvE on the other hand, well a veno isn't as useful as it used to be since the mystic has pretty much took over there role of being able to lure with pets and there pets having no damage reduction on mobs, due to mystics pets also being stronger and faster in attacks then veno ground pets (also there p-attack plant adding more DD to ? level bosses), mystics I think will always be the better choice atm, unless they have a herc and can tank the bosses of course, also in PvE again, a mystic is a great addition to any dungeon party because of there res buff and ability to heal which eases the work of a cleric, a veno on the other hand, is just considered another DD, herc or not really as some squads prefer an actual agro tank (unless it's a ? level boss in which the herc is fine), also the veno is still useful to the very few bosses that actually buff them selfs in which the veno can de-buff them simply.

Oh also the mp bit, veno's have it very easy for that in both pvp and pve, mystics at 79 when they get clear thoughts, pve turns very easy because of that and also at 89 when you get your triple spark for even more MP, then it's just TW that may eat your MP, so yea, mystics at lower levels will have a hard time with MP like wizz and what not, after 79 and 89, it's pretty easy, also I found it very easy on my mystic for MP regen, simply because I bought MP regen gear of +3 on all my armours (+4 when i could find em), so I could regen pretty fast, thus making there big MP usage no real problem.

Hope this helps somehow.

_Ink_ - Raging Tide

I have more fun as a veno, to be honest. But it's not like you're absolutely limited to one or the other. Why not just make one of each, play around on both for a while and see which you like more?

Daedallus - Sanctuary

_Ink_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

I have more fun as a veno, to be honest. But it's not like you're absolutely limited to one or the other. Why not just make one of each, play around on both for a while and see which you like more?

Agree with the last part.

I have both a veno and a mystic. I have way more fun on mystic to be honest, but it depends on what YOU like, so test them

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Mystics are supportive in more ways than merely healing and DDing, but they have strong heals and a healing "pet" if you want to compare terminology to a veno. Unfortunately veno pets still have the same skills and list of skill books available, with nothing new added since I first bought one.

To maximize a veno's effectiveness, IMO, it's best to go LA or HA/AA for the best of both worlds that veno's flourish in -- magic and physical attacks. There used to be a time where people cared excessively about what pet you had, but generally if a veno even gets invited to a squad it's presumed some APS class will be the one tanking if not the barb.

Mystics are good for heals, heal support, damage dealing, and support. They can solo heal in many circumstances or can aid a cleric. Venos are damage dealers, debuffers, and in rare cases nowadays, a tank with their pet. They are not a primary AOE class (like psychic, wiz, archer, seeker), but they do have useful AOE's (noxious, nova, mist, myriad), and on single targets, combined with pets, can put up some decent damage and do some major debuffs against opponents -- always useful. They are not a major DPS class but can put up decent numbers in fox form when hitting melee, get huge bonuses to physical attack, accuracy, physical defence, and their spark both dramatically increases magic and physical damage, which shows that veno's are a hybrid class meant to be able to be a caster, tank, damage dealer (magic, physical), and debuffer.

It's more akin to your playing style.

Don't choose solely or even give excessive amount of credence to what is most "needed". What class is "needed" is both arbitrary and is highly subject to change as time has gone on. More often than not a good player with a decent amount of friends and a good understanding of their class will find plenty of squads.

__Kikyo__ - Lost City

smiling4me wrote: »

are mystic summons really helpful and good for combat?? they look pretty cool as summons!!

i mean if ur always low on mana it should be okay if ur able to sit and meditate to regen this right?

the plants knock sins out of stealth.

jiq

Veno. Mystics drink potions like there's no tomorrow and their summons are squishier than Veno pets. Veno is less annoying and they are still useful for pulling, chi giving, bramble, purge and AMP.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Try both, that's the best thing you can do.

I have tried both classes. They are at lvl 100 and 90 respectively so I have enough experience with them. I enjoy both classes, both were fun in their own way. They have different jobs in squads and both are extremely versatile, something I very much like.

In my case, I still enjoy being a Venomancer more. Why? Just because. I simply enjoy Venomancer more and I have also worked hard to get a lot of Demon skills which makes it extremely fun for me.

When it comes to usefulness. Well, for normal squads like for BH it's not that hard to find a group either way. The issues start when FCC/Delta/Nirvana appear as people have become really picky when it comes to that. Honestly, both classes have some issues there as a lot of people still prefer Clerics and a lot of times would rather have another good DD (Assasin, Blademaster) than another Healer (yeah Mystics do have some good DD power but...). As for Venomancers, 95% of the time they won't get another one in squad and the population of this class is still quite big (from the days it was the "overpowered" class) so the competition is still quite big. Both are still useful though, it's not like I never find a group my needs. I have been rejected with both classes. Sometimes I find groups easily, sometimes I can't.

Either way, try both and decide for yourself what you enjoy the most. You don't have to stress out and level up quickly etc. etc. just relax and enjoy the game.

im2cool4usothere

Make a veno. Mystics are no good. They pretend to be veno but are no good. they also no good cleric.

brent40

Multiclient and make both.

turg14

I like venos cuz they were the reason why I felt in love with pwi b:chuckle and for those that are asking GM's for giving venos new stuff: Venos was born this way, They're on the right track baby they was born this way b:pleased

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

they're very different classes that play different roles in squad. venos are support/DD, mystics are support/heal.

both can DD well enough to solo-grind what every class needs to handle solo. in a squad, venos will DD as they can while making sure the mobs are debuffed, the tank brambled, and that people get sparks as needed and possible; mystics will DD as they can while making sure people are getting healed (excepting whoever the cleric's focusing on) and that everybody critical at least stays resurrect-buffed.

mystics can use their plants for crowd control as well as healing and some debuffing, if they need to. venos can use their pets and possibly themselves for spare-tanking, if they need to. mystics and venos can support one another by healing each others' pets/summons, in a tight off-tanking situation.

both classes are very versatile, and playing them well takes much multitasking and keeps you quite busy. but you'll be busy doing very different things.

S_Rya - Harshlands

b:chucklewell I'd prefer Veno..only for one reason ^^ they're sooooo cuteeee and very very OP lol..anyway if you choose Veno they're very very expensive if you want buy Nix or Herc and Mystic dont need "money" for buy a OP pet..they have Cragg b:thanks