What is the highest damage dealer class?

omniperfectx

For PVE.
Need you honest opinions please.
I've heard assassins and archers are the highest damage dealers (don't know if that's true..), but I tried to play as a psychic and I was able to kill higher lvl moobs with just one hit!
In your opinion what is the highest damage dealer class and why?
Thx in advance

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

DPS - assassins
DPH - Wizards

Dralighte - Harshlands

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

DPS - assassins
DPH - Wizards

not true =\
DPH - Psychics

NOTREAL - Archosaur

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

not true =\
DPH - Psychics

Far from it. Wizards have the potential to hit miles harder.

Psychics hit harder more consistantly however.

Dralighte - Harshlands

I think you didnt check the vodoo

NOTREAL - Archosaur

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

I think you didnt check the vodoo

I think you forgot Undine.

Dralighte - Harshlands

I do have undine. but still their skills, in base, deals more . now you can add Vodoo

_Nuriko_ - Lost City

It's a toss up really between wizards and psychics.

Daedallus - Sanctuary

All but barb b:surrender

HaveanLight - Heavens Tear

i doubt that a psy can 1 hit barb but for sure a wizy can b:laugh

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

I'll believe psys hit harder when a psy hits over 4m.

NOTREAL - Archosaur

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

I do have undine. but still their skills, in base, deals more . now you can add Vodoo

Really no... Their only attack that by base beats anything is Stone Smasher and that gets rhaped by both LV11 Bids and MS. Combined with Undine youl hit harder.

Comparing lower skills, say SandStorm and SandBurst Blast, they are again beaten. The attack levels do balence it out, but they come with the squishyness penalty. Also, ive yet to hear of a 3 or so million hit from a Psychic, wheras I saw a screenie off a Wiz

Longknife - Harshlands

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

not true =\
DPH - Psychics

Definitely not.

DPH means we're going for the highest possible damage in a single hit. If we put r9 +12 weapons on both of them, the wizard's weapon naturally has more damage on it than a soulsphere and the wizard's skills that they use have bigger weapon damage amplifiers. (500%)

An additional 25% damage from voodoo is nice and it's the main reason that Psy beat out wizzies in DPS when it comes to spamming the lower weapon damage skills, but it's not going to close the gap between a wizard's better weapon and 500% weapon damage. Besides that, a Psy only has practical skills that go up to 200% weapon damage. The only two skills Psys have that go higher are Crystal Light (79 skill) at 300% (but it suffers from having almost no additional damage, often times evening it's damage out with that of the 200% weapon damage skills) and the level 100 AOE at 400%. The problem is that the 79 skill has a longer cooldown and **** additional damage, and the level 100 AOE casts slow and costs two sparks. You'll struggle to find a Psy who would want to spam this skill, as our sparks have much more practical uses than that.

If that still doesn't convince you, we've actually crunched the numbers before in the Psy subforum just to prove a point to the wizzies. If I remember correct, with r8 +12 weapons, Psy's Stone Smasher only managed to beat one of the three wizzie AOEs. Keep in mind r9 would increase the gap.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Cleric. b:chuckle

zizoun

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Clawric. b:chuckle

Fixed for you

GhostDuck - Harshlands

None of this matters really between Psy and Wiz cause he is asking PvE. Having played both to end game, well r8 since i guess thats noob gear now days, i think Psy is better then a wiz when it comes to that. Mobs drop quicker, and easier. Things die with less work and faster. You don't need a million people number crunching game mechanics to see anything here. I get 3 shots off before my wiz does. Both kill in 3 hits i dont care if the wiz total damage is 27k in those 3 hits and the Psy is 26.2k, the mobs have 20k hp and still die on the third hit, which Psy shot faster

Survivability i'd say about equal, both have nice control skills which you don't need in pve nowdays, FoW is great but not better the Psy will and we also have White voodoo and holy pathed genie to fall back on in a jam, keeps you alive like DS can. Both have a nice knockback. Both are squishy but you shouldnt be getting hit much on either so it doesn't really matter.

Aoe - I rather have my 6 which are practically insta cast then the Wiz array though i do miss it in many situations. You don't use the 59 skills in normal mob situations. If you are a wiz using a the 59 skills when grinding you are failing at grinding mobs so who cares about them. Psy will drop them all before you even cast.

In most instances when you are not tanking anything which is 99.9% of the time, Psy is using 2 maybe 3 diff skills, Wiz is using the same 3 skills and in the end the damage output is probably just about the same on elites and bosses. If other people are in a jam, Earth Vector saves people way easier then a Wiz can

If jones blessing didn't exist, this would be a lot more detailed but probably the same result as when killing there would be more use of control skills, however since everything drops in a few hits, it doesn't matter.

ResMePls - Heavens Tear

GhostDuck's post is not biased in the slightest.

GhostDuck - Harshlands

Biased? I said it doesn't matter. Fact, almost all non elite mobs now take both Wiz and Psy 2-3 hits with jones. So it doesn't matter

Eilite mobs you have equal control skills to kill the same mob, but Psy will kill it quicker due to casting time and cooldowns of their skills. Maybe .2 seconds, maybe 1.5, but it will be faster

Instance bosses, over the time you are DD'ing, You can not notice the difference in time the boss dies if 2 squads were equal but one had a Psy and one had a Wiz.

The point is since he was saying for PvE, and not PvP where every bit of damage dealing and casting makes a huge difference, and where you are using your whole array of skills, It does not matter which you choose, choose the one you like. Find me a wiz that consistantly uses his doom skills when grinding or instances. Sure you launch them for fun and graphics, but for best use of mana/time you would never. So why compare them when they are basically PvP skills.

In situations when both are consistantly Aoe'ing, Wiz is in array, so that is what should be compared to Psy AoE and those situations both classes do just fine. Other then that i is Aqua and Spirit repeats vs Gush, Pyro and Stone and once again doesn't matter

malanaki1234

If Rank 9 will come out for EG, seeker will be new highest hitting class ? GoF on Rank 9 weapon ...........gemini ......

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

You should compare instead


Not cs'ed wiz VS not cs'ed psy.

And big cs'er wiz VS big cs'er psy.

A person putting 2k $ or more in a psy will have amazing soulforce and I think would win the DPH battle.

Cavorex - Raging Tide

personally and mind you this is my opinion, a wiz hits harder than 90% of the "Base non CS'd Psychics out there, and in the same breath a full +12 R9 cs'd psy will obliterate just about any wizard in less hits. now as for the screenie of the 3.75 mil crit. that is photoshopped. I've been in squads with full R9 wizards that have critted with every amplifying damage gain out there and the max they've reached EVER was 825K, which is still more than any psychic crit i've ever seen.

the final break down, Wizards can be op and the best end game magic using class when they are built correctly, psychics are more the lazy mans cannon huge damage at a fast rate.

but in the end look at several things.
it's not really the ammount of power you have in 1 shot it's who can kill the other faster, and i am sorry but a psy will always hit faster than a wizard.

KennyPowers - Raging Tide

Cavorex - Raging Tide wrote: »

personally and mind you this is my opinion, a wiz hits harder than 90% of the "Base non CS'd Psychics out there, and in the same breath a full +12 R9 cs'd psy will obliterate just about any wizard in less hits. now as for the screenie of the 3.75 mil crit. that is photoshopped. I've been in squads with full R9 wizards that have critted with every amplifying damage gain out there and the max they've reached EVER was 825K, which is still more than any psychic crit i've ever seen.

the final break down, Wizards can be op and the best end game magic using class when they are built correctly, psychics are more the lazy mans cannon huge damage at a fast rate.

but in the end look at several things.
it's not really the ammount of power you have in 1 shot it's who can kill the other faster, and i am sorry but a psy will always hit faster than a wizard.

but the question was comparing wiz vs psy in DPH, not DPS b:surrender

nvrmore

I'm quite sure the ? the OP ask is "What is the highest damage dealer class?" Per hit hands down a Wizzy but when a Sin can hit 80-100k+ Crits 5x in a second. I think if would be safe to say they are the Highest dmg dealer Overall. My bad after loooking at ? again i see he ask Pve = Wizzy

krittycat

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