Archer or Wizard???

iamwhoiammabye
iamwhoiammabye Posts: 7 Arc User
edited June 2011 in Wizard
hi i am returning to pwi after awhile and i was wondering which class would be better for pve?

Archer or Wizard...

(ive played both to level 3x (noobish i know....))

Now this would be main character and would most likely not be funded for awhile, i used to PVP a bit but i liked PVE better .

also the new seeker class...is it worth trying out???...any help appreciated.thx.

oh and im not a hardcore player..i just play casually
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  • iamwhoiammabye
    iamwhoiammabye Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    okay nvm i decided to roll a wiz cause there way cooler...anyways are the old guides still usefull??? as apparently APS is the new craze and ive read that people are starting to use low levels of hailstorm...
  • Fistol - Raging Tide
    Fistol - Raging Tide Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    iamwhoiammabye wrote: »
    okay nvm i decided to roll a wiz cause there way cooler...anyways are the old guides still usefull??? as apparently APS is the new craze and ive read that people are starting to use low levels of hailstorm...

    The 3 starting skill are still going to be the ones you use most often till level 60s

    The stat recommended is still 4.5 mag 0.5 str per level

    ya the guides are still useful,

    Casual players who grind out 500k can easily go FC heads and level up fast is probably the only big difference and might affect your selection of gear.

    Divine Orders are the new "if you play slow enough you can get legend weapon for free" thing that you might want to consider as well.

    Rep are easily more obtainable and Wizard are beast with them.. so you might want to work towards owning one at the start. Which might impact choice of gear as well.
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  • iamwhoiammabye
    iamwhoiammabye Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    kewl thx.
  • Lenestro - Sanctuary
    Lenestro - Sanctuary Posts: 490 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    for pve? archer. no contest
  • lizrau
    lizrau Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Also, with r9's "annoying blackhole" proc, archers have become much more competitive with mages in TW as well.
  • iamwhoiammabye
    iamwhoiammabye Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    how bout PVP? is the wizard better? Cause ,abye ill start a wiz on PVP server.
  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    those classes are balanced in pvp


    who is better?


    those classes are balanced in pvp
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    those classes are balanced in pvp


    who is better?


    those classes are balanced in pvp

    ^ this XD
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  • iamwhoiammabye
    iamwhoiammabye Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    okay well wizards are cooler though... thx guys!
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Archer better for pve. Wizard isn't even close. Check the points for any of the events. Wizards are always at the bottom when it comes to killing pve.

    Archer Wiz balanced for TW or group PvP, but slight edge still goes to the archer I think. A wiz is more fun though in TW imo. Although holding up barrage in their base for forever looks like it would be fun too.

    1 vs 1 pvp, even more of an edge to the archer. Rank 8 +10 on archer pwns robes in a way far greater than wiz **** heavy armor with same gear.

    On a pvp server? If your leaning toward wiz, roll a psychic instead.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
    Archer better for pve. Wizard isn't even close. Check the points for any of the events. Wizards are always at the bottom when it comes to killing pve.

    Archer Wiz balanced for TW or group PvP, but slight edge still goes to the archer I think. A wiz is more fun though in TW imo. Although holding up barrage in their base for forever looks like it would be fun too.

    1 vs 1 pvp, even more of an edge to the archer. Rank 8 +10 on archer pwns robes in a way far greater than wiz **** heavy armor with same gear.

    On a pvp server? If your leaning toward wiz, roll a psychic instead.

    archers don't have any edge in pvp/TW. Balanced is the word you are looking for.
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  • iamwhoiammabye
    iamwhoiammabye Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    okay. welll im playing a wzard on HL anyways and i was planning to go arcane until i was a much higher level then switch to LA or is the difference really that important... thanks though
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    iamwhoiammabye wrote: »
    okay. welll im playing a wzard on HL anyways and i was planning to go arcane until i was a much higher level then switch to LA or is the difference really that important... thanks though
    !

    Stay arcane.. lol
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  • Galox - Heavens Tear
    Galox - Heavens Tear Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Stick with AA, it's really not worth it to go LA anymore unless you level really slowly, or plan on PvPing a lot more in lower levels.
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  • vendras
    vendras Posts: 7
    edited June 2011
    why dont you try a sin ? :) we are awesome in soloing in high lvls :)
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    vendras wrote: »
    why dont you try a sin ? :) we are awesome in soloing in high lvls :)

    This is dependent from the aim in game.

    My own is to play as Wizard (PvE). I mean play, not work.

    Most of high level players have different aim - to be level 100+ and to have equipment which cost billions.

    They often CS at least once or use Assassins and same classes to get their expensive equipment.

    Because of my style of game I will be at levels where I not need +6 and more refinements or R8+ military rank.
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  • vendras
    vendras Posts: 7
    edited June 2011
    oh i understand your point there :) but you dont need to be a rich sin to be good :D just a good gear and a strong daggers from the devine and you will be able to solo lower hbs to gain some coins :) and once we get double sparkes things become litle bit easier :) i wont be able to hit as hard as a wiz through ber one hit :) wiz are the strongest dps but sins depends more in aps :)
  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    vendras wrote: »
    :) wiz are the strongest dps but sins depends more in aps :)

    the mindset of players who choose easy-mode classes astounds me sometimes.

    do you even know what aps/dps stands for? The above quote is incorrect.
  • vendras
    vendras Posts: 7
    edited June 2011
    dps = damage per secound - thats mean damage per hit right ?

    aps = attack per secound - thats how much normal hits you deal with normal attacks in one secound

    and yah i know sin is hard to play :)
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    vendras wrote: »
    ...
    and yah i know sin is hard to play :)
    With level 22 Assassin I had up to 3k critical hits.

    Mobs had been killed by 2 hits.

    I prefer my Wizard in any case.

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  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    vendras wrote: »
    dps = damage per secound - thats mean damage per hit right ?

    aps = attack per secound - thats how much normal hits you deal with normal attacks in one secound

    aps is about the same as damage per second. if you compare 10 seconds of an aps sin attacking something and compare that to the damage a wizard can deal in 10 seconds its not even close, sins out dps a wizard, in 1 second a sin can get off 5 attacks, a wizard cant even get off 1 attack in a second. Wizards are a dph (damage per hit ) class not dps.
    and yah i know sin is hard to play :)

    im done on this thread, your a troll. Or an idiot if you actually think sins are hard to play. Easiest class in the game that requires no skill.
  • vendras
    vendras Posts: 7
    edited June 2011
    gahh no assassins are hard to play in low lvls and i know it !!! you need to add hp shards to your armor and refines. but thay are still easy to play in high lvls and i find sins are easy class , but compared to a mystic sins are harder

    and looks like you dident understand me when i sayed that wizards hit harder than sin , i mean in one hit not who is faster in killing .... a lvl 100 wizard can deal 300k~ damage in one hit but assassins deals 20k~ damage

    but ofc assassins can kill faster because of the aps

    and i am not troll i am just sharing my won experience in the game and that dosent got any thing to do with you lol , if what i said is incorrect then just post what you think and thats it !!!!!

    and you shouldent be insulting me because that is againts the rules (Don't be insulting if you happen to disagree with someone, just understand that their views are different than yours. Just really treat each other how you would like to be treated) b:bye
    and yah i mistaked when i sayed dps i meant dph
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »
    aps is about the same as damage per second. if you compare 10 seconds of an aps sin attacking something and compare that to the damage a wizard can deal in 10 seconds its not even close, sins out dps a wizard, in 1 second a sin can get off 5 attacks, a wizard cant even get off 1 attack in a second. Wizards are a dph (damage per hit ) class not dps.
    .....
    im done on this thread, your a troll. Or an idiot if you actually think sins are hard to play. Easiest class in the game that requires no skill.

    To my knowledge: There's no such thing as a 5aps sin, or they're extremely rare. Calling a Demon Sin 5aps that can hit 5aps with spark is like calling a Wizard with Sutra a 0 ch wiz. -It's dishonest, but necessary to get into so many Nirvana squads started by ignorant people.

    Sins aren't all that great until around 3.33 aps. Getting 4aps (base) is extremely expensive. Any class you sink that much coin into should be able to do some amazing stuff. The problem here is that wiz's think they should be as good in Nirvana as a Sin even though they're already better at Rebirth. (people want their toon to be OP at everything which is pathetic).

    I've seen it said multiple times, even before aps was the talk that the devs hate the wiz class. I think it's more that wiz's hate the wiz class. If you're not content with the strengths: reroll.
    Easiest class in the game that requires no skill.

    -The game is as easy or hard as you make it regardless of class. You probably never played an Assassin or Veno.
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    thumbs wrote: »

    ...The problem here is that wiz's think they should be as good in Nirvana as a Sin even though they're already better at Rebirth. (people want their toon to be OP at everything which is pathetic)...

    I don't think, that Wizards can get any profit of your "You are better with Rebirth" words.

    Please, look at World wide messages at Perfect World International:

    LF Nirvana Opener ...

    WS FC heads 500k. fee

    LFM for Nirvana with aps not less than ...


    Every other one.

    If sin can solo kill/tank bosses, then he/she can get profit.

    Wizard level 100 can't tank bosses even in bh69 except Pyro.
    thumbs wrote: »
    ...The game is as easy or hard as you make it regardless of class...
    I can't even say anything about it.
    You play using Assassin and Venomancer only ?

    Half of players (I not mean level 105 GMs) in Rankings are Assassins, 2/3 are aps chars.

    What you are talking about ?
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  • Lenestro - Sanctuary
    Lenestro - Sanctuary Posts: 490 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    disclaimer to this thread: forget everything you read. >.>
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Lenestro - Sanctuary wrote: »
    disclaimer to this thread: forget everything you read. >.>

    ^ couldn't have said it better myself
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  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    thumbs wrote: »
    stuff

    not even gonna bother arguing with anything u said, I don't tend to talk to faceless alts. Fact is: There is a reason why everyone (EVERYONE) rolled a fish class, and why you hardly see wizards around anywhere.

    go anywhere on the map, press t, uncheck all classes except wizard. Count the number of wizards.

    Repeat that step, except keep the check on Assassins, count.

    Everyone rolled a sin because they are the easiest to play and most overpowered. No one plays wizards except the people who enjoy the class even though they are obsolete in anything and everything not associated with TW.

    And yes I have played every class minus seeker/mystic. I rolled a sin the same time I rolled this mage (was right after the fish expansion) I quit the sin because it was retardedly easy to play, I enjoyed wiz gameplay more vs just selecting target, spark and wait for auto-attack to finish. (wow that's so difficult)

    I like actually playing the game with strategy (via kiting, selecting certain skills to slow speed, etc) versus letting a character do all the work with aps and me just watching.

    If it is that easy at level 60 (when i quit sin and returned to mage) i can't imagine how simple it is once you get good gear / daggers and 3 sparks. So stupidly easy.
  • Dranzerath - Sanctuary
    Dranzerath - Sanctuary Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    thumbs wrote: »
    -The game is as easy or hard as you make it regardless of class.

    Damn man, you serious?, beware your speech for a game balanced, Perfect World is the most unbalanced game I've ever seen in my life, talking about classes.
  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    the only coin i make in PVE-playing is ranking high in PVE Events or getting good BH rewards of these
    these events start at 2-3 am tho
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