Ok im tired

DarkHunterr - Harshlands

WTH sins can solo FCs and sell it like in 30min if hes 5aps and we(another classes) have to waste alot of time doing it?
this game is very unfair and unbalanced.
now i need to make a sin if i want tog et money
cuz selling heads worths more than nirvana even in 2x drops
im starting a sin -.- damn it

endlesstorture

Pro sins solo FC in 15minutesb:cool

Nniotora - Lost City

endlesstorture wrote: »

Pro sins solo FC in 15minutesb:cool

pro bms solo it in 25min

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Lazy sins merch b:victory

HeavensRage - Raging Tide

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lazy sins merch b:victory

Really lazy sins cash shop.

LadySam - Heavens Tear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j-9Vxtaob4
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_Perses_ - Lost City

rofl, pro sins do frost in 10 minutes max. Then have to spend probably another 5-10 clearing the pathway for the people he/she sells it to.


Pro BM's have sin alts which they use to kill all the main shades for the first boss, and pull that whole hall to the first boss and drop all the mobs at once. Then they go and repeat for the rest of the place


finishing the frost under 25 mins (if they don't go afk)

IrenaSteiner - Dreamweaver

DarkHunterr - Harshlands wrote: »

this game is very unfair and unbalanced.

To some degree i do agree it is unbalanced. Unfair? Not really. Assassins are just capable of performing such a task with ease. With other classes it proves somewhat difficult. But lets look at this way. The classes werent meant to solo FC. Just turns out that a well rounded character can perform such a feat. In this case, the assassin. If you think that soloing FCs is the best means to make money, well thats your opinion. There are many ways to make money in this game. Some people want to make money fast, others can merchant for days on and still make money. All depends on how or what youre selling. Now if you think youre forced to roll a sin, then thats your choice. Think of the time you have invest in gear, and the time to lvl it. Now youre gonna be the one buying FCs for a period of time lol. And im sure once youre up in the lvl to actually FC, its all gonna pay off. So good luck and have fun. As how this games objective turned into "make money, play less"

_Nuriko_ - Lost City

IrenaSteiner - Dreamweaver wrote: »

To some degree i do agree it is unbalanced. Unfair? Not really. Assassins are just capable of performing such a task with ease. With other classes it proves somewhat difficult. But lets look at this way. The classes werent meant to solo FC. Just turns out that a well rounded character can perform such a feat. In this case, the assassin. If you think that soloing FCs is the best means to make money, well thats your opinion. There are many ways to make money in this game. Some people want to make money fast, others can merchant for days on and still make money. All depends on how or what youre selling. Now if you think youre forced to roll a sin, then thats your choice. Think of the time you have invest in gear, and the time to lvl it. Now youre gonna be the one buying FCs for a period of time lol. And im sure once youre up in the lvl to actually FC, its all gonna pay off. So good luck and have fun. As how this games objective turned into "make money, play less"

This is a good post, and many people should actually read it.

Daedallus - Sanctuary

b:surprised @ the sin video..... I only have one thing to say.... wow

Revenge - Raging Tide

lol@ another 5aps is broken thread. srsly? yes 5aps is pro for pve purposes. get over it. sins arent the only class that can be 5aps. your an archer, get the same exact gear for your archer as your sin (with exception to the wepon ofc) and look ohwait, your 5aps. now get decent refines, look you can solo fc on your archer, (just may take awhile longer than a sin for obvious reasons).

but take a look at pve, a 5aps char out of stealth will get nuked the **** outta by r8/r9 caster classes and be dealth with before they can even attack if they arent careful.

so to say its unfair and unbalanced is only half correct, if your only compairing each class to pve/pvp terms alone. but looking at both terms, i have to say its rather balanced. a great pvp class will shine in pvp, but pve may have trouble soloing instances. in contrast, pve geared players (5aps) wont do too well in pvp aspects, unless they are smart about their class(as we all know in this day and age of cash shop massive ammounts for gear and power lvl fast to 100+, not many know their class properly enough). granted if the person is well geared and knows the class, it wont matter, i know caster classes who can solo fc in less than 20 minutes and sell the heads, so to say again, lawlwut? its not only aps that can accomplish anything if you KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE DAMN GAME.

anyway have a nice day b:pleased

edit: about the sin video, that sin is in my faction and is a rather pro sin who knows how to play his char so again, learn your class, gear yourself out as best you can, and then do what u do. dont ***** about aps being broken

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Revenge - Raging Tide wrote: »

lol@ another 5aps is broken thread. srsly? yes 5aps is pro for pve purposes. get over it. sins arent the only class that can be 5aps. your an archer, get the same exact gear for your archer as your sin (with exception to the wepon ofc) and look ohwait, your 5aps. now get decent refines, look you can solo fc on your archer, (just may take awhile longer than a sin for obvious reasons).

but take a look at pve, a 5aps char out of stealth will get nuked the **** outta by r8/r9 caster classes and be dealth with before they can even attack if they arent careful.

so to say its unfair and unbalanced is only half correct, if your only compairing each class to pve/pvp terms alone. but looking at both terms, i have to say its rather balanced. a great pvp class will shine in pvp, but pve may have trouble soloing instances. in contrast, pve geared players (5aps) wont do too well in pvp aspects, unless they are smart about their class(as we all know in this day and age of cash shop massive ammounts for gear and power lvl fast to 100+, not many know their class properly enough). granted if the person is well geared and knows the class, it wont matter, i know caster classes who can solo fc in less than 20 minutes and sell the heads, so to say again, lawlwut? its not only aps that can accomplish anything if you KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE DAMN GAME.

anyway have a nice day b:pleased

edit: about the sin video, that sin is in my faction and is a rather pro sin who knows how to play his char so again, learn your class, gear yourself out as best you can, and then do what u do. dont ***** about aps being broken

Of course you will always defend APS class, because you are one of them or could be. I invested +2 years of playing countless grinding and I had super gear in that time. But I'm still not able to do job as APS classes which they can do with mediocre gear. Do you think is it sign of balanced game? NO WAY. The dev. of this game f.. up balance in many ways. In PVE either PVP. I played when nobody except archer could have 5 APS(almost impossible to get for him also.) BM's has axes and nobody was considering to get APS madness. And you know what? Game was much better, than is now.

ResMePls - Heavens Tear

So you rolled a wizzy and wonder why you cannot PvE as well as a BM/Sin??? And then people ask why game is unbalanced.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So you rolled a wizzy and wonder why you cannot PvE as well as a BM/Sin??? And then people ask why game is unbalanced.

I rolled wizy, when pack didn't exist, BH's didn't exist, Tideborn didn't exist, even genies didn't exist, when FF was really frost for gear. And APS didn't exist. When you didn't know about this game.

Oneji - Heavens Tear

It still says nothing about your statement. You rolled a crappy PvE class and then QQ a while later when DEVS come and make a better PVE/PVP Class. And quite frankly it is thanks to 5aps that a lot of the new *cough* TT fixes are even possible to complete. And of course you will not be able to do the job of a high APS class naturally if your a wizard lol....

If your not happy with your current PvE experience, just make an assassin(like me) or BM and farm stuff.

Scuzeme - Dreamweaver

So you re 5aps sin, so you sell FC all day long, so you earn yourself a nifty 30 mil a day, so you do that day after day, so you pwn ppl, so ..........what?

I play PWI when i wanna relax and to be honest... i have crappy gear (worth 15 mil max) no rank gear, but its rewarding when you complete a challenge on your own, or with your friends.

Once i am able to complete that challenge with ease, I wont be doing that over and over again.

it reminds me of the old days on the pc, ppl looking for a cheat code.......so they have the code. they finish the game... does it feel rewarding ? LMAO
b:chuckle

Revenge - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Of course you will always defend APS class, because you are one of them or could be. I invested +2 years of playing countless grinding and I had super gear in that time. But I'm still not able to do job as APS classes which they can do with mediocre gear. Do you think is it sign of balanced game? NO WAY. The dev. of this game f.. up balance in many ways. In PVE either PVP. I played when nobody except archer could have 5 APS(almost impossible to get for him also.) BM's has axes and nobody was considering to get APS madness. And you know what? Game was much better, than is now.

well then quit? i been playing this game since closed beta as a bm (and for the record im not 5aps). i play for fun and bs around with friends. i admit the game is dead, died off when packs and sins came out. but NOT because of aps. simple as that, aps is just an excuse people use for why others can do things they cant and are purely jealous. do you think its fair a +12 r9 wizzy/psy can 1shot anything and their effin mother in pvp? again its a trade off of the classes, some are great pvp, some great pve. if you chose a pvp great class and ***** and moan about how you "lack" in pve well then thats your own damn fault. frankly put idk how many caster classes can do things just as well as aps can. (granted they may not be able to solo world bosses but hey geared right and used properly can easily tank them with a cleric and a few extra DD's to help, trust me i've seen it done multiple times) casters need insane refines to do things in pve like tank etc, where as aps classes need mediocre refines for pve, on the other hand, a caster may only need a +5~10 wep (which isnt hard) and thats all for pvp. they'll one shot any aps class they acn see from a mile away that isnt fully refined +10 or higher on their armors. so again the tradeoff. i call that rather balance. but as i said, if your only lookin at one aspect (pve for example) no the game wont be balanced as it shouldnt be. no way should EVERY class beable to do EVERYTHING in the game. wouldn't make any sense. a cleric tanking while a barb dd's? (you see my point) the classes are meant for specific things which already unbalances them in certain aspects, its called advantages and disadvantages to every class.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

DarkHunterr - Harshlands wrote: »

WTH sins can solo FCs and sell it like in 30min if hes 5aps and we(another classes) have to waste alot of time doing it?
this game is very unfair and unbalanced.
now i need to make a sin if i want tog et money
cuz selling heads worths more than nirvana even in 2x drops
im starting a sin -.- damn it

/facepalm

APS Barbs can solo clear easiest. They can gather the most mobs and one-shot them the fastest.

A pro barb can clear to heads faster than a sin or bm. A sin can solo the entire instance the fastest though.

Neodaystar - Sanctuary

Soloing FCC and selling it? People still do that? That is like so March 2011 xD Now a days, people with good gear (not exceptional cash shop quality) solo Wraith Gate TM and can make about 24 mil in 1hr That's 12 mil for you and 12 mil for your other lvl 100+ partner. Just need 4 other people lvl 60-80 paying you 1 mil per run, which only takes no more than 10 min. (8 perfect run to get a gold medal and 8 medals for interval/channeling cape...so very good deal for both sides)

Femswordtank - Lost City

Revenge - Raging Tide wrote: »

well then quit? i been playing this game since closed beta as a bm (and for the record im not 5aps). i play for fun and bs around with friends. i admit the game is dead, died off when packs and sins came out. but NOT because of aps. simple as that, aps is just an excuse people use for why others can do things they cant and are purely jealous. do you think its fair a +12 r9 wizzy/psy can 1shot anything and their effin mother in pvp? again its a trade off of the classes, some are great pvp, some great pve. if you chose a pvp great class and ***** and moan about how you "lack" in pve well then thats your own damn fault. frankly put idk how many caster classes can do things just as well as aps can. (granted they may not be able to solo world bosses but hey geared right and used properly can easily tank them with a cleric and a few extra DD's to help, trust me i've seen it done multiple times) casters need insane refines to do things in pve like tank etc, where as aps classes need mediocre refines for pve, on the other hand, a caster may only need a +5~10 wep (which isnt hard) and thats all for pvp. they'll one shot any aps class they acn see from a mile away that isnt fully refined +10 or higher on their armors. so again the tradeoff. i call that rather balance. but as i said, if your only lookin at one aspect (pve for example) no the game wont be balanced as it shouldnt be. no way should EVERY class beable to do EVERYTHING in the game. wouldn't make any sense. a cleric tanking while a barb dd's? (you see my point) the classes are meant for specific things which already unbalances them in certain aspects, its called advantages and disadvantages to every class.

*cough* Sins can literally do everything in the game. It's even damn hard for casters to take them down so yeah...

Revenge - Raging Tide

Femswordtank - Lost City wrote: »

*cough* Sins can literally do everything in the game. It's even damn hard for casters to take them down so yeah...

*cough* that means the sin class itself is unbalanced not 5aps find the right thing to ***** about plox

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Revenge - Raging Tide wrote: »

*cough* that means the sin class itself is unbalanced not 5aps find the right thing to ***** about plox

No 5 APS make classes unbalanced not sins. If sins didn't have 5 APS it wouldn't kill same geared class so easily. APS should be capped on 2.86 to balance game. Other classes would became welcome in instances again.

Risingson - Lost City

I can solo frost.

S_Swipe - Sanctuary

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No 5 APS make classes unbalanced not sins. If sins didn't have 5 APS it wouldn't kill same geared class so easily. APS should be capped on 2.86 to balance game. Other classes would became welcome in instances again.

never had a problem getting a squad, even for vana. All it takes is knowing and having friends and a good faction that offers and is not picky.

Revenge - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No 5 APS make classes unbalanced not sins. If sins didn't have 5 APS it wouldn't kill same geared class so easily. APS should be capped on 2.86 to balance game. Other classes would became welcome in instances again.

even with 2.8 aps sins **** every class, hate to tell you the sin class itself is overpowered and unbalanced aps as a whole isnt, try playin a bm in pk and survive a r9 psy/wiz while attempting to run up to it to punch it to death, wont work too well unless your insanely armor refined and sharded. pve aps is the best, pk not so much except for sins who can stealth their way to the opponents.

Oneji - Heavens Tear

Scuzeme - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So you re 5aps sin, so you sell FC all day long, so you earn yourself a nifty 30 mil a day, so you do that day after day, so you pwn ppl, so ..........what?

I play PWI when i wanna relax and to be honest... i have crappy gear (worth 15 mil max) no rank gear, but its rewarding when you complete a challenge on your own, or with your friends.

Once i am able to complete that challenge with ease, I wont be doing that over and over again.

it reminds me of the old days on the pc, ppl looking for a cheat code.......so they have the code. they finish the game... does it feel rewarding ? LMAO
b:chuckle

Interesting statement you made. So basically you assume because I am 5aps all I want to do is solo frost and faceroll people in PK??? Ah your wrong sir.I use my assassin to farm gears for my psychic because I find him more fun to play in PvE as well as PvP. PvP imo on my assassins is no fun because I rarely lose, of course I have to account for losing to higher level rank 9 assassin of courseb:shocked. Unlike my psychic I actually have to put in a little more strategy and fun into the mix :P.

P.S Evict sux.

DarkHunterr - Harshlands

IrenaSteiner - Dreamweaver wrote: »

To some degree i do agree it is unbalanced. Unfair? Not really. Assassins are just capable of performing such a task with ease. With other classes it proves somewhat difficult. But lets look at this way. The classes werent meant to solo FC. Just turns out that a well rounded character can perform such a feat. In this case, the assassin. If you think that soloing FCs is the best means to make money, well thats your opinion. There are many ways to make money in this game. Some people want to make money fast, others can merchant for days on and still make money. All depends on how or what youre selling. Now if you think youre forced to roll a sin, then thats your choice. Think of the time you have invest in gear, and the time to lvl it. Now youre gonna be the one buying FCs for a period of time lol. And im sure once youre up in the lvl to actually FC, its all gonna pay off. So good luck and have fun. As how this games objective turned into "make money, play less"

then tell me thw way faster then sell FCs with a sin
cuz i was doing the math
even nirvana 2x drops is slower than FCing with sins

StormHydra - Sanctuary

Lol @ being "pro" or "skilled" with a character in PWI.

There is no such thing.

XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver

Revenge - Raging Tide wrote: »

even with 2.8 aps sins **** every class, hate to tell you the sin class itself is overpowered and unbalanced aps as a whole isnt, try playin a bm in pk and survive a r9 psy/wiz while attempting to run up to it to punch it to death, wont work too well unless your insanely armor refined and sharded. pve aps is the best, pk not so much except for sins who can stealth their way to the opponents.

don't get caught stealth killing on my server. a sin stealth kills and dosent ask politely "excuse me sir. may i pawn your face?" first and its instant ZOMGWTFBBQSAUCEBACONWEAVEFLIP world chat spam about how they suck at everything. hell. we even get yelled at for stunlocking people now. hell, im all about a fair fight, but dont sit there and tell me i cant use any of my skills then proceed to beat me to death with yours.

but back on topic. you know how many times ive been in delta sence i turned 101? twice. why? cuz im not a friggin aoe machine like wizzies and archers, psys and now seekers. ive given up the last part of the culti. no one wants to take a sin into delta before another class with aoe. let alone one who don't know wtf hes doing. so QQ about aps being broken all you want. ill gladly go with a 2.86 aps cap if i get some more aoe.

Razorburn - Dreamweaver

I see so many people I fc with who are rerolling a sin. Its incredible how many sins on my server are sporting several thousand dollar characters or the equivalant. Dont expect to get the same results without having a major supply of coin.--my sin costed somewhere around three billion+-- how many nirvanas does it take to make that a good investment?
I suggest to the poor people but hurt about op 5 aps sins to just roll a cheap gear wizard or veno.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Razorburn - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I see so many people I fc with who are rerolling a sin. Its incredible how many sins on my server are sporting several thousand dollar characters or the equivalant. Dont expect to get the same results without having a major supply of coin.--my sin costed somewhere around three billion+-- how many nirvanas does it take to make that a good investment?
I suggest to the poor people but hurt about op 5 aps sins to just roll a cheap gear wizard or veno.

BS. Wizard is also expensive. Don't be APS machine and you will cheap too. Or wait you have to be APS if you want to go to instances right?b:chuckle
We don't have even this chance.