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Man - Raging Tide
Man - Raging Tide Posts: 1,410 Arc User
edited June 2011 in Assassin
Which adds more dps

demon dagger devotion or sage

75% WEP dmg +2% crit vs 90% wep dmg.

say for argument sake both have same dagger and same aps, only difference is sage / demon wep mastery.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Sage:
    http://pwcalc.com/4a5e2541f07630d5
    15158 raw DPS (ignoring proc)

    Demon:
    http://pwcalc.com/06b7109a45295095
    14842 raw DPS (ignoring proc)


    Useless comparison, IMO, since there will be more than just the mastery to consider in any real situation, but yeah.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Who cares?

    Demons will always have higher DPS anyway.

    Sage will obviously get more DPH.

    Well, assuming both have, say, 400 dex with 6% crit from rings, you get:
    Demon: (1+0.75+400/150)*(1+0.06+0.2+0.02) = 5.653
    Sage: (1+0.9+400/150)*(1+0.06+0.2) = 5.754

    The only variables left from the DPS equation in this case is the APS, since the base DPH would be the same.

    Though of course, in reality it might not be like this, since the crit and dex are not exactly accurate. For example, my sin has 446 dex and 34% crit. Being sage, that gives me a multiplier of 6.53026. If I were a Demon, I'd instead have 6.42373.

    Unfortunately, the APS difference will turn all of that over.
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Who cares?

    Demons will always have higher DPS anyway.

    Sage will obviously get more DPH.

    Well, assuming both have, say, 400 dex with 6% crit from rings, you get:
    Demon: (1+0.75+400/150)*(1+0.06+0.2+0.02) = 5.653
    Sage: (1+0.9+400/150)*(1+0.06+0.2) = 5.754

    The only variables left from the DPS equation in this case is the APS, since the base DPH would be the same.

    Though of course, in reality it might not be like this, since the crit and dex are not exactly accurate. For example, my sin has 446 dex and 34% crit. Being sage, that gives me a multiplier of 6.53026. If I were a Demon, I'd instead have 6.42373.

    Unfortunately, the APS difference will turn all of that over.

    Eh, but, you can tank things in Sage spark that you cannot tank in Demon spark, due to the Damage reduction. ;)

    That's what will make sage worth it to me...

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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Eh, but, you can tank things in Sage spark that you cannot tank in Demon spark, due to the Damage reduction. ;)

    That's what will make sage worth it to me...

    And then there's Sage Bloodpaint.

    But you can shard JoSD to increase survivability in spark as demon and we've already seen a demon solo Harpy!


    .... And on a more serious note, things like that are why I felt a comparison of only dagger devotion is useless. There's far more factors to damage than dagger devotion and the same can be said for survivability. (IE: Sage deaden is an almost permanent buff so plus for being VERY hard to kill, but demon's is better if you aren't charmed)
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Honestly, sage does, but it does depend on the critical hit rate for the demon sin. My sin has 40% crit (with ○DD) but you can't really say that I would or wouldn't have hit 2% more of the time with it. The other factor would be the higher the critical hit rate the more diminishing returns you get for the mastery. A solid 15% more added to your damage range will show up in every hit, and you can't really say that for the demon mastery.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    My sin has 40% crit (with ○DD) but you can't really say that I would or wouldn't have hit 2% more of the time with it. The other factor would be the higher the critical hit rate the more diminishing returns you get for the mastery. A solid 15% more added to your damage range will show up in every hit, and you can't really say that for the demon mastery.

    Well it would be 0.2/1.4= 1.43% more DPS. You can say that, because it's call statistics. You won't crit for 42 times out of 100 hits (might be more, might be less), but you will crit for 42% of the time in the long run. As Oblaze shown, your 15% weapon damage beats 2% crit by 1.65% on DPS, if both hitting the same APS, because you are already hitting 600%+ of your weapon damage. OP asked for DPS comparison. 1.65% DPH won't beat 25% more APS.

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