What skills to not worry about?

TheJackal - Heavens Tear

I cant really find this in any stickies so i figured id ask it.

What skills should i not worry about leveling or not worry about leveling very high as a wizard.

or should i ask what skills should i get.

Arenaceous - Lost City

Emberstorm, Crown of Flames and maybe Pyroshell (Even tho I find it useful lately against wizards that use spark in PvP a lot). That's about it

Adroit - Lost City

Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »

Emberstorm, Crown of Flames and maybe Pyroshell (Even tho I find it useful lately against wizards that use spark in PvP a lot). That's about it

I'll sometimes use crown of flames in a sutra genie spark combo.. people are starting to catch on that sutra + genie spark = bad for them.. and they are trying to get out of range. So my ideal combo is d.pyro -> pyro -> wotp -> d.pyro -> pyro, but if are moving away often times I replace wotp with crown to add in another fire skill (extra range)

At this point in the game, the only skill I really never use is glacial embrace, although emberstorm is only really used as a sin check.. so the lvl on that wouldn't matter. I just learned sage glacial embrace (<3 Arenaceous) because I want every sage skill (lol don't ask) and I'm only missing sage dragon's breath now Anyways.. at true end game you'll want to have every skill leveled (although you can get away with glacial embrace + emberstorm lvl1 if you are really cheap).. there are odd cases where just about every skill has its use, and being the skills are **** cheap (compared to gear), it would be a good idea to level them all. The only hard part is deciding on the order :P

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver

Im sage and got all of my skills sage except
Dragon's Breath
Black Ice Dragon Strike
Blade Tempest

i just say this because the choice which skill to leave out might also be influenced by the culti

Crown of the Flame --> DoT you will hardly use in PvE unless you are soloing minibosses because here you can use it to get some extra dmg in while kiting. But even with the sage version ( additional dmg ) the DoT ticks 200-300 dmg on a Boss type mob so nothing you will really miss

Pitfall --> chances for additional effect is low when you are sage it is simply another DoT that can be used together with crown of the flame in the same situation so you can also leave this one out

Emberstorm --> even if the sage version is nice to use the dmg it does is mediocre unless you have a big hp pool. But you wont need the skill for lvling nor for instances ( you could drop it in when you have no chi and want aoe dmg and hailstorm is on cooldown but you dont miss out anything important by not having it maxed

Pyroshell --> since grinding isnt popular anymore you can use this skill in pve to tank some bosses like 51 culti bosses or drake + gluttonix in 59 or hooli in 79... but you wont really need to do that often because tanking isnt a wiz job so the uses in PvE are limited in PvP the prob with the shell is that no other class is really into fire magic attacks so other shells will help more - lvl it as long as it's cheap

frostblade--> people hardly ask for it and the difference in terms of dmg is a nonfactor most of the wizards use it to gain extra chi so if you get it only when you have maxed the more essential skills

wellspring quarf --> you have to get it to 5 to be able to learn sutra you could leave it at that but the increased mana pool you will get out of a maxed version makes pve more confortable + the demon versions channeling modification might want you to have it up especially when you are demon

Glacial snare --> the skill itself is really good and i use it a lot in PvE because the slow is amazing when maxed but when you want to save a lot of coins and spirit go with gush especially when you go demon

divine pyrogram--> dont level it in the beginning since you wont benefit much from the skill before you have high -chan and sutra. And even then sandstorm brings better results in PvE

for the 79 skills
sophoric whisper --> when you dont want to pvp you can leave this one out
elemental shell --> nice but rly short duration so its debateable if its worth the spirit + coins

ultis

all 3 ultis are nice but it would be better to focus on 1 and lvl it to lvl 10 instead of trying to lvl all three to a medium grade. So leave 2 of em out till later if you are short in coins and spirit

Masteries

lvl them when you have your skills lvled not at the same time with the skills unless you have coins+ spirit

greetz harm0wnie

Adroit - Lost City

Do NOT skip on ele shell or the ultis under any circumstances.

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Do NOT skip on ele shell or the ultis under any circumstances.

I had leveled all skills except Frostblade and Emberstorm and can say, that at my 77th level I use:
Blade Tempest (leveled to 7 - maximum possible) - universal ;
Black Ice Dragon Strike (leveled to 7 - maximum possible) - against non-Water elemental mobs ;
Mountain's Seize (leveled to 7 - maximum possible) - against Water elemental mobs when Blade Tempest is in cooldown.

About spirit/coins:
to level all 5 available skills to new level at 77 level I had spent:
444k coins * 5= 2.2 mln coins
~333k spirit * 5 = 1.7 mln of spirit.

During few days I had got 600k of spirit (without hyper stones), and had restored spent for skills coins.

Adroit - Lost City

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I had leveled all skills except Frostblade and Emberstorm and can say, that at my 77th level I use:
Blade Tempest (leveled to 7 - maximum possible) - universal ;
Black Ice Dragon Strike (leveled to 7 - maximum possible) - against non-Water elemental mobs ;
Mountain's Seize (leveled to 7 - maximum possible) - against Water elemental mobs when Blade Tempest is in cooldown.

About spirit/coins:
to level all 5 available skills to new level at 77 level I had spent:
444k coins * 5= 2.2 mln coins
~333k spirit * 5 = 1.7 mln of spirit.

During few days I had got 600k of spirit (without hyper stones), and had restored spent for skills coins.

ultis = first priority after leveling skills are done. There is no excuse for an end game wizard not to have their ultis leveled.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

I'm glad someone agrees with me about lvling ulti's...i was lvl 90 with all 3 ults at lvl10 b:victory

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

ultis = first priority after leveling skills are done. There is no excuse for an end game wizard not to have their ultis leveled.

i just suggested to choose 1 of the ultis while lvling up and get it to lvl 10 instead of getting all 3 on lvl 5 because in pvp a mid game wiz wont be able to spam ultis anyway

so even if the ultis are the reason why wiz is wanted in TW endgame they hardly help in PvE when not lvled and killing things midgame with ultis isnt easy because a) you dont have enough sparks to be able to launch 2 ultis in a row to surely kill all the mobs and b) the ultis themself on lower lvl dont do enough dmg to 1shot the mobs especially when your weapon is not high refined but i doubt anyone will make a TT 70+10 just to be able to 1 shot mobs in the 70s with an ulti. I just told him to wait with the ultis because after people have seen the awesome Dragon the first time they b:dirty are tempted to lvl it asap. But i doubt it is a good idea to lag behind with normal skills like sandstorm just to have the ulti maxed.

@Elemental Shell: how often do you use it outside of PvP? i think it is at least debateable if coin/spiritwise it is a good idea to get it at 79 when you are on a budget. ( i know wiz players should never be on a budget but that's another story )

Adroit - Lost City

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i just suggested to choose 1 of the ultis while lvling up and get it to lvl 10 instead of getting all 3 on lvl 5 because in pvp a mid game wiz wont be able to spam ultis anyway

so even if the ultis are the reason why wiz is wanted in TW endgame they hardly help in PvE when not lvled and killing things midgame with ultis isnt easy because a) you dont have enough sparks to be able to launch 2 ultis in a row to surely kill all the mobs and b) the ultis themself on lower lvl dont do enough dmg to 1shot the mobs especially when your weapon is not high refined but i doubt anyone will make a TT 70+10 just to be able to 1 shot mobs in the 70s with an ulti. I just told him to wait with the ultis because after people have seen the awesome Dragon the first time they b:dirty are tempted to lvl it asap. But i doubt it is a good idea to lag behind with normal skills like sandstorm just to have the ulti maxed.

@Elemental Shell: how often do you use it outside of PvP? i think it is at least debateable if coin/spiritwise it is a good idea to get it at 79 when you are on a budget. ( i know wiz players should never be on a budget but that's another story )

How often do I use ele shell? Like every 30 seconds (assuming not full chi). A free 15 chi every 30 secs = AWESOME. You don't even need to stop walking/moving to use it.. and it costs like 200 mp? Cmon now. I use it for the extra resists against other mages that use genie spark.. or to help absorb a few magic hits.. but that's generally of secondary concern. Free spammable chi with no downside = yes please.

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

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a) you dont have enough sparks to be able to launch 2 ultis in a row to surely kill all the mobs...

My Wizards has (possibility "to launch 2 ultis in a row"). In high levels he will be able to do it more frequently, without pause (to gather about 1/10th of spark and press proper buttons). We are at same server, I can show it.

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My Wizards has (possibility "to launch 2 ultis in a row"). In high levels he will be able to do it more frequently, without pause (to gather about 1/10th of spark and press proper buttons). We are at same server, I can show it.

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i know that it's possible if you use genie or chi apos but i just meant doing this without any pots or extra chi sources. Im aware that you can cast ulti --> use gods tea + cloud eruption --> ulti but in terms of aoe grinding that will be costly

greetz harm0wnie

skysing

I use every single skill on wizard tree for pvp/pve. I find that they all have their use.
The only skill I find it useless is Manifest Virtue lvl 100 skill = cost 1 spark