99 Nirvana Palace keys quest

Sdsads - Archosaur
Sdsads - Archosaur Posts: 12 Arc User
edited May 2011 in General Discussion
Never done that quest and if I do from killing the last boss do I get something from the quest
only in my inventory or I should ask to get the drops from that quest?
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  • Sdsads - Archosaur
    Sdsads - Archosaur Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I just found an old topic the boss drops 2 raptures and you get 10 unicany from the quest
    So..it's not worthing doing the quest.10 unicani x 500k were you won't find that expensive
    5M or less.99 keys 1x100k as opener=9.9M GTFOb:angry
  • Jellytoast - Sanctuary
    Jellytoast - Sanctuary Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Do the 99 keys run during double drops only, pretty profitable. You get 4 raptures from the last boss guaranteed, plus the 10 uncannies from turning in the quest.

    Oh also what I do for my runs is split 2 raptures with the squad and keep 2 for myself.
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  • B_K - Sanctuary
    B_K - Sanctuary Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    yeah, most people do not let the keyer keep the drops, so make ur "profit" a lot less. everyone feels different on this subject, personally i go with ppl where u keep everything, unless the keyer says otherwise. but those ppl are kinda rare.

    but on the other hand u can ATTEMPT to do 99 runs, atm u may not have a lot of keys but they will stack up on ya, and u might end up doing one or two of these runs cause its pretty damn hard to make sure u do 4 runs everyday otherwise
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    B_K - Sanctuary wrote: »
    yeah, most people do not let the keyer keep the drops, so make ur "profit" a lot less. everyone feels different on this subject, personally i go with ppl where u keep everything, unless the keyer says otherwise. but those ppl are kinda rare.

    but on the other hand u can ATTEMPT to do 99 runs, atm u may not have a lot of keys but they will stack up on ya, and u might end up doing one or two of these runs cause its pretty damn hard to make sure u do 4 runs everyday otherwise

    umm on dreamweaver i have never seen anyone complain about the keyer getting all the drops from that boss.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Sanc is standardizing on keeping half the raptures for yourself and sharing half with the rest of the squad.
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  • Abstractive - Archosaur
    Abstractive - Archosaur Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Running it with faction members is more proffitable...You can just ask for help on your 99 keys quest, saying you want to keep everything for yourself. What are friends for ?
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  • NOTREAL - Archosaur
    NOTREAL - Archosaur Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Abstractive - Archosaur wrote: »
    Running it with faction members is more proffitable...You can just ask for help on your 99 keys quest, saying you want to keep everything for yourself. What are friends for ?

    Extortion.
  • Abstractive - Archosaur
    Abstractive - Archosaur Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sanc is standardizing on keeping half the raptures for yourself and sharing half with the rest of the squad.

    Blasphemy.
    NOTREAL - Archosaur wrote: »
    Extortion.

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  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    umm on dreamweaver i have never seen anyone complain about the keyer getting all the drops from that boss.


    Hmmm... I was recently part of a 99 key quest (random squad) and the keyer had to share the rapture profits so it obviously really depends on who you run with.
  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Sdsads - Archosaur wrote: »
    I just found an old topic the boss drops 2 raptures and you get 10 unicany from the quest
    So..it's not worthing doing the quest.10 unicani x 500k were you won't find that expensive
    5M or less.99 keys 1x100k as opener=9.9M GTFOb:angry

    That may be so but I never see on wc chat the necessary amount of requests for Nirv openers (and remember... for every request, you're competing with other players who want to turn a profit on their keys too) for you to have any chance of selling those 99 keys anytime soon. On the other hand... actually doing the quest = instant profit.
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    On Lost City people will in most cases not steal your drops from the 99 quest b:victory

    There is of course a few greedy randoms that will try to hog the Raptures, but its not the regular way of doing it.

    People often make squads just for the quest anyway, than they run NV until everyone gets it done and you get to keep your own drops from the boss.
  • Arshies - Sanctuary
    Arshies - Sanctuary Posts: 666 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Keep your keys for 2x drops time then you can get 4 raptures on the 99key boss, so from those 4 raptures you can split:

    -50% squad, 50% you
    -75% (3raps for u), -25% squad
    -100% split on squad
    -100% for you.

    Used to be nice if you advice the squad split before start it.

    Once the quest is finished you must visit TB elder to get the 10 cannies reward.
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  • Namari - Dreamweaver
    Namari - Dreamweaver Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Hmmm... I was recently part of a 99 key quest (random squad) and the keyer had to share the rapture profits so it obviously really depends on who you run with.

    It does depend on who you run with, but you know what I say, as a caster who gets to do Nirvana once every two months or 5 times per 2x, if they want to try and jack my ****ing raptures...

    "You gonna take me on other Nirvana runs to help cover that profit? If not, GFTO my raptures."

    Hence why I only go with squads that I trust, and luckily, I've done about 6 99 key quests (4 about 2 2x's ago), no one's tried to say that I had to give up any raptures.

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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    When I run Nirvy sometimes an opener wants to do their key quest instead of getting paid to open and we let them, then everyone wins. I don't care if the keyer gets all the raps to themselves as long as I get my Nirvana done. I'm currently saving up keys on a level 100 veno and when 2x rolls around I'm gonna do 99 key quest on there, luckily the squads I run with won't have a problem with me keeping all the tasty Raptures to myself b:dirty
  • JSXJoe - Sanctuary
    JSXJoe - Sanctuary Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I prefer doing Nirvana with friends, is the most profitable thing and yet understand one thing...why should the keyer get all raps for him-/herself =? I actually never do any x99 with other squads, only do my own and the ones that help you deserve to get something for their hep. One of my friends just told a keyer that wanted to keep everything before killing the boss, that he can surely keep all raps, but he have to kill it alone then as well. Thats fine for me and no this is not bad azz sheets or something. Only few can kill the last boss alone, so they need the squad to help...and they want to keep it all for themselves =? Meanwhile the squad gotta use, charms, pots, repair and stuff and they shall get nothin' =? lmfao
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    JSXJoe - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I prefer doing Nirvana with friends, is the most profitable thing and yet understand one thing...why should the keyer get all raps for him-/herself =? I actually never do any x99 with other squads, only do my own and the ones that help you deserve to get something for their hep. One of my friends just told a keyer that wanted to keep everything before killing the boss, that he can surely keep all raps, but he have to kill it alone then as well. Thats fine for me and no this is not bad azz sheets or something. Only few can kill the last boss alone, so they need the squad to help...and they want to keep it all for themselves =? Meanwhile the squad gotta use, charms, pots, repair and stuff and they shall get nothin' =? lmfao

    Because taking a whole five minutes out of your time to help someone that ran with you through Nirvana is just SOOOOOO wrong right? Nice greed bro
  • JSXJoe - Sanctuary
    JSXJoe - Sanctuary Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Because taking a whole five minutes out of your time to help someone that ran with you through Nirvana is just SOOOOOO wrong right? Nice greed bro

    No its not a fuzz in helping there, but you cant do it without others so..get them at least a little reward I mean, the quest reward are 10 uncs, the drops are no quest reward, drops are splitted as always, thats just the way it is^^
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    JSXJoe - Sanctuary wrote: »
    No its not a fuzz in helping there, but you cant do it without others so..get them at least a little reward I mean, the quest reward are 10 uncs, the drops are no quest reward, drops are splitted as always, thats just the way it is^^

    Your reward is the run itself, I'm sure you make more than enough to repair your gear from 5 minutes of DDing a boss from that. I mean really, a whole five minutes of your time? To bring down the duration on your weapon MAYBE another 10? Yeah... no, **** that, it's greed. I don't care how you try to sugar coat it you and anyone else that makes the person with the key quest split THEIR reward with the squad is just plain greedy. They saved up for the quest, they helped your *** with the Nirvana, they're entitled to get their quest done and get whatever drops from the boss.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Because taking a whole five minutes out of your time to help someone that ran with you through Nirvana is just SOOOOOO wrong right? Nice greed bro

    So when I do a full nirvana run in 4 minutes I shouldn't take drops from it?

    I don't see anything wrong with choosing to share a little of the reward with a squad that helps you farm something. Keeping everything for yourself and not sharing anything at all with others comes across as more greedy really.

    The trend on sanctuary is to get a full squad together and do multiple runs in quick succession. The longer the runs take the fewer runs you can do. I hear the trend on other servers is to invite people into squad for their keys and then pay them to leave. With that mindset keys are more valuable I guess.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So when I do a full nirvana run in 4 minutes I shouldn't take drops from it?

    I don't see anything wrong with choosing to share a little of the reward with a squad that helps you farm something. Keeping everything for yourself and not sharing anything at all with others comes across as more greedy really.

    Forcing them to share is greedy, if they wanna share then by all means, let them. Forcing them to share it, however, is total ****. I'm not saying you shouldn't take the drops from the Nirv itself, you go in with your squad for the purpose of getting those drops to split amongst each other, however the 99 key quest.. I prefer not to be a greedy jerk and let them keep their reward. They worked for the month or however long to save up keys why not let them get their raps? Where's the harm?

    They're YOUR keys, it's YOUR quest, you shouldn't be forced to share your reward just to get it done. Guess I should be glad I'm 5APS... this way I can just kill the boss without needing assistance from greedy people like the ones that seem oh so abundant on your server. Assuming I ever decide to take the quest, that is.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    During 2x, I did the 99 quest. The squad was composed of friends of the squad leader who organized it. We only did one run b/c someone had no more keys left.

    At the beginning of the run, I offered half of my Raptures to the squad. They said I was insane.

    When the last boss dropped only 3 Raptures, I offered to give 3 Raptures so the loot would divide evenly. They said I was even more insane.

    In the end, I gave 2 to the squad since they wouldn't accept 3.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Forcing them to share is greedy, if they wanna share then by all means, let them. Forcing them to share it, however, is total ****. I'm not saying you shouldn't take the drops from the Nirv itself, you go in with your squad for the purpose of getting those drops to split amongst each other, however the 99 key quest.. I prefer not to be a greedy jerk and let them keep their reward. They worked for the month or however long to save up keys why not let them get their raps? Where's the harm?

    They're YOUR keys, it's YOUR quest, you shouldn't be forced to share your reward just to get it done. Guess I should be glad I'm 5APS... this way I can just kill the boss without needing assistance from greedy people like the ones that seem oh so abundant on your server. Assuming I ever decide to take the quest, that is.

    Forcing them to do something they don't want to do is greedy. I agree with that. Likewise forcing a squad to do extra work for no benefit without giving them a choice is also greedy.

    Noone should be forced to do anything and I don't think anyone on either side is arguing people should be forced to do things.

    Let's assume now noone is forced to do anything. Is it fair for a run that takes 30% longer than a normal run to come with a bit more reward? Yes that's fair. Is it fair to share a bit of the drops with your friends who helped you farm a boss? Yep that's fair too.
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  • NOTREAL - Archosaur
    NOTREAL - Archosaur Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Usually its the questers choice on the runs ive been on.

    I drop one rapture for the group to sell after I drop out, but thats purely because I feel they deserve it. Taking my cleric along on Nirvana is not a pleasent experience, im a control freak on my cleric b:chuckle Luckily on my sin theres no troubles b:bye

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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Forcing them to do something they don't want to do is greedy. I agree with that. Likewise forcing a squad to do extra work for no benefit without giving them a choice is also greedy.

    Noone should be forced to do anything and I don't think anyone on either side is arguing people should be forced to do things.

    Let's assume now noone is forced to do anything. Is it fair for a run that takes 30% longer than a normal run to come with a bit more reward? Yes that's fair. Is it fair to share a bit of the drops with your friends who helped you farm a boss? Yep that's fair too.

    That boss only has double the HP of most bosses in there... plus it doesn't seal you, how does it take 30% longer to kill it?

    If they dont' wanna help kill it then yeah, don't force 'em, let them leave it's easy enough to find people that will. If you want it bad enough that you'll share your drops with 'em then go for it. To each their own, I'd rather kill it and keep my raps since honestly that boss is nothing for any APS squad to kill, unless they're all just plain horrible. Anyway... yeah... to each their own, if you wanna pay some of your reward just to get it done go for it, if you wanna take some of their reward as payment to help? Go for it. I'll help for free and get my quest done by myself if need be because I'm not paying my reward nor do I care to be paid for helping someone get theirs.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    That boss only has double the HP of most bosses in there... plus it doesn't seal you, how does it take 30% longer to kill it?

    If they dont' wanna help kill it then yeah, don't force 'em, let them leave it's easy enough to find people that will. If you want it bad enough that you'll share your drops with 'em then go for it. To each their own, I'd rather kill it and keep my raps since honestly that boss is nothing for any APS squad to kill, unless they're all just plain horrible. Anyway... yeah... to each their own, if you wanna pay some of your reward just to get it done go for it, if you wanna take some of their reward as payment to help? Go for it. I'll help for free and get my quest done by myself if need be because I'm not paying my reward nor do I care to be paid for helping someone get theirs.

    It can't be amped. That makes it 4 times longer to kill than an ampable boss. On average 4.5/7 bosses in a nirvana run can be amped. A 99-key run actually takes 35.4% longer to run than a normal run.

    Anyway if your friends share part of their 99 key rewards with you (as is standard on Sanc) and you try to keep all of your 99 key rewards for yourself that seems pretty greedy to me.

    If your group of friends never share with eachother than go ahead and keep all for yourself.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It can't be amped. That makes it 4 times longer to kill than an ampable boss. On average 4.5/7 bosses in a nirvana run can be amped. A 99-key run actually takes 35.4% longer to run than a normal run.

    Anyway if your friends share part of their 99 key rewards with you (as is standard on Sanc) and you try to keep all of your 99 key rewards for yourself that seems pretty greedy to me.

    If your group of friends never share with eachother than go ahead and keep all for yourself.

    I'm aware that it can't be amp'd, but neither can half the other bosses you can get in Nirv. Phoenix, the 2x bosses, the snake guy, the second boss... none of them can be amped either. They still drop fast enough, I still fail to see the harm in helping out with the quest and letting them keeptheir raps. But hey, like I said, to each their own.
  • Woneo - Harshlands
    Woneo - Harshlands Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Hmm, on my server the person with 99 keys always keeps all the drops. No questions asked.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'm aware that it can't be amp'd, but neither can half the other bosses you can get in Nirv. Phoenix, the 2x bosses, the snake guy, the second boss... none of them can be amped either. They still drop fast enough, I still fail to see the harm in helping out with the quest and letting them keeptheir raps. But hey, like I said, to each their own.

    Around 2/3 of the bosses can be amped and 1/3 cannot. This makes a 99 key run 30% longer than a normal one.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Around 2/3 of the bosses can be amped and 1/3 cannot. This makes a 99 key run 30% longer than a normal one.

    Uh.. alright then... however you wanna justify forcing the person to share their reward.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Uh.. alright then... however you wanna justify forcing the person to share their reward.

    Noone should be forced to do something they don't want to do. That goes both ways.
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