Wizards in TW in the R9 Era

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide

Hello party ppl,


I would like to know your opinions about what each of you do in TWs with all the R9 ppl and everybody using magic def charm -50%dmg off.

Follow my template:


A. What do you do in TW?

I usually get chi, drop BT, MS, Bids, Hailstorm.
I seal R9 Psychs/Archer whenever I can.
Rarely triple spark and spike dmg as AOE seem efective.

B. What classes do you usually target?

I kinda choose OP ppl or barbs for AOEs so they dont die till I finish chaneling.
Focus on main DDs that the enemy faction has


C. What classes are a real threat to you?

I can say R9 Psychs are a pain in TW for me and R9 Archers. Psychs can oneshot me which is kinda sad as I have 12k hp buffed, 48 def lvls, 19k magic defence fully buffed. Archers do 2-4k per hit and when they debuff me...I die soon.
Also Venomancers are a pain for debuffing. Sins are kinda fail in TW, dont really manage to take me down, Barbs and BMs the same, i see them coming, I kite them and kill them. The new classes are not a threat at the moment in TW, although mystics die pretty hard with their Salvation.


D. What apo/Charms/Genie skill you usually spam?

I use 2 spark pots mostly, sometimes sutra pot to get away or deal a blow on a group. Magic defence charms are a must...also phis def ones but...archers and sins attack fast so no point, as they dodge half dmg from the first attack.
Genie skills: Cloud Eruption and sometimes AD.

Evanera - Heavens Tear

I doubt you have 19k mag def buffed. I have 15.3k buffed and only missing the r9 boots, that would only jump me up to like..16k max.

Awesome thread to give your TW strats away..

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I doubt you have 19k mag def buffed. I have 15.3k buffed and only missing the r9 boots, that would only jump me up to like..16k max.

Awesome thread to give your TW strats away..

Well I am full R9, have Cloud Stir ring +10 from PQ 3 which give me a bit more magic def, like 1790 more fully buffed.
As for giving them away...well it is obvious for my enemies. I am just trying to see what is happening on other servers.

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide

Oh well, I was expecting a bit more opening to discussing TW tactics but I see the wizard forums are as dead as a graveyard itself.
Dont think wizard tactics are so secretive that revealing them would make you vulnerable in TW.
Are there any wizards that do TW?

Jellytoast - Sanctuary

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

Oh well, I was expecting a bit more opening to discussing TW tactics but I see the wizard forums are as dead as a graveyard itself.
Dont think wizard tactics are so secretive that revealing them would make you vulnerable in TW.
Are there any wizards that do TW?

Lol I was thinking the same thing. Anyways, I'm considering TWing on my wizard soon, but I'm not sure how well it going to work. I'm so used to having heals and stuff all the time, so I'm going to be a lot more vulnerable I'm assuming. But at level 90 I'm also guessing I'm not going to do much damage.

stea1th77

i have a +10 r8 sword with r9 gear, so im not squishy and i deal out decent damage.

I generally just target bm's so the defense cant get stunned (there main good offensive bms) after that i jsut kinda keep a look out for archers while killing the catas or clerics if there are way to many of htem. but yeah when i channel an ulti i generally target the catapult itself if it isnt moving, that way my target cant be killed or anything. other then that there is a lot of cloud eruuption and holy pathing around. most of the time if i have to face a r9 archer (only thing tht really kills me) i gush seal undine sutra divine pyro bt and that bypass's them

edit: sorry for hte cluttered post, im kinda in a hurry

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide

Bump! Lazzy wizards dont post! b:chuckle

Elendria - Dreamweaver

I don't know what you are doing wrong, but how can you get one shot by psychs? Psychs main dmg are water, earth. With your resistances and your gear psychs should not be able to one shot you..

We have a R9 psy here all +12 gear and she can by far not one shot me, actually I kill her more in TW than she could kill me. Are you applying your stone barrier? Actually with your gear, defenses and charms no class really should drop you that easy. Yes R9 Archers hit hard, but with your def they should not be able to one shot you not even with a crit. Especially with your hp.

Hm... go to pwi calc and post your gear, would love to see it. Maybe then I can give you more input.

Also I read your post, make sure that before each attack you undine. With your gear, especially when you crit, if you undine you should be able to one shot all classes besides psychs. You can even one shot a barb if they haven't invoked or use apoth in that moment with a crit on an ulti.

Adroit - Lost City

Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't know what you are doing wrong, but how can you get one shot by psychs? Psychs main dmg are water, earth. With your resistances and your gear psychs should not be able to one shot you..

We have a R9 psy here all +12 gear and she can by far not one shot me, actually I kill her more in TW than she could kill me. Are you applying your stone barrier? Actually with your gear, defenses and charms no class really should drop you that easy. Yes R9 Archers hit hard, but with your def they should not be able to one shot you not even with a crit. Especially with your hp.

Hm... go to pwi calc and post your gear, would love to see it. Maybe then I can give you more input.

Also I read your post, make sure that before each attack you undine. With your gear, especially when you crit, if you undine you should be able to one shot all classes besides psychs. You can even one shot a barb if they haven't invoked or use apoth in that moment with a crit on an ulti.

offering advice assuming you always outgear your opponents isn't exactly helpful.

Elendria - Dreamweaver

Well maybe you should read his post first Adroit. He has almost the same defenses as me and there for it does not make sence that psychs one shot him.. The only thing I have more than him is pdef and a little more hp. But his mag def is right up there.

And since the psychs attack with mostly water and earth attacks it does not make sence.

Adroit - Lost City

Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well maybe you should read his post first Adroit. He has almost the same defenses as me and there for it does not make sence that psychs one shot him.. The only thing I have more than him is pdef and a little more hp. But his mag def is right up there.

And since the psychs attack with mostly water and earth attacks it does not make sence.

Your advice is all geared towards fighting people that you outgear.. which nobody needs help with. HURPA DURP undine -> gush kill everyonez. And nobody can one shot meez. If anything, you might wanna advice how to get a real life job that pays so well you can +12 all your gear and faceroll the keyboard.

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide

Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't know what you are doing wrong, but how can you get one shot by psychs? Psychs main dmg are water, earth. With your resistances and your gear psychs should not be able to one shot you..

We have a R9 psy here all +12 gear and she can by far not one shot me, actually I kill her more in TW than she could kill me. Are you applying your stone barrier? Actually with your gear, defenses and charms no class really should drop you that easy. Yes R9 Archers hit hard, but with your def they should not be able to one shot you not even with a crit. Especially with your hp.

Hm... go to pwi calc and post your gear, would love to see it. Maybe then I can give you more input.

Also I read your post, make sure that before each attack you undine. With your gear, especially when you crit, if you undine you should be able to one shot all classes besides psychs. You can even one shot a barb if they haven't invoked or use apoth in that moment with a crit on an ulti.

This is my char self buffed:

http://pwcalc.com/12fdcc8368350d8f

I work on:

G16 Cube Necklace
Nirvana cape+Helm with Jades
Scroll of Tomes-45 Magic tome


Then maybe gathering money for rafines +12 which would take maybe next year if pwi lasts.

Minimus_ - Sanctuary

Maybe pk a bit for training. It may not be easy to have opponents on a pve server but still some r9 barbs, sins lol, archers may pop up for a good fight. I pk-ed to improve for TW and not necessarily for the pk itself (even if TW is a different story than pk). Or equip OHT gear xD

Elendria - Dreamweaver

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Your advice is all geared towards fighting people that you outgear.. which nobody needs help with. HURPA DURP undine -> gush kill everyonez. And nobody can one shot meez. If anything, you might wanna advice how to get a real life job that pays so well you can +12 all your gear and faceroll the keyboard.

See thats how little you know. You make judgements without knowing anything. So maybe refrain from posting. This guy is asking for help not poison from you.

The psy I was talking about even outgears me. She is very well known on our server for her sick gear as she is all +12 even on her armor and all Jade of Def that stacked with her white vodoo is mean. Everyone can one shot a bad geared player. Maybe on your server you have these players but in our TWs on dreamweaver its mostly R8 full Nivry nowerdays if not R9. Dreamweaver has tons of R9 Archers now +10- +12.


Ok Spell your gear is right there with mine. Your mag defenses are even higher than mine. Very nice btw b:dirty

But it still does not make sence that a psy one shots you with that gear. Unless maybe you have a heavens flame on you and another archer or melee class on you. Are you sure that the psy makes a one shot or maybe just gets the last shot off on you in TW? Your defenses are very high, that stacked with your def lvl another magic class should not be able to one shot you.

Have you checked your dmg log when you were killed? What did the psy hit you for? Since you have over 12k hp he must have hit your for at least 13-14k or more than that. That would make sence on a melee class but not magic.

Just trying to understand the situation But proops on the gear very very nice

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide

Well let me tell you about the oneshots...this r9 Psych triple sparks in the air, drop on the ground, Black voodoo and Enrage and drops his skills on me. If i dont use magic def charm before and he crits, he can oneshot me, he crited 14.5k on me.

In TW, i dont rly know ...i got all kind of debuffs on me as I am one of the main targets for the enemies, but r9 psychs deal the most dmg on me which is kinda frustrating to be killed by a magic class.

As for Adroit, I appreciate every advice, I have learned alot from him, even spent 80milsh to buy and gear up a genie according to his genie. Mine has 100dex, 53mag, 49vit.
Every server is different and pk is different, my server is pve one, so ... In pk Sins get me, mostly get ganked by 4-5 at a time, it's fest! Also r9 psychs are a problem in pk, but we have group PKs and they drop my team mates very fast.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »

See thats how little you know. You make judgements without knowing anything. So maybe refrain from posting. This guy is asking for help not poison from you.

Aw, but that is his specialty. Without it, he has so little.

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well let me tell you about the oneshots...this r9 Psych triple sparks in the air, drop on the ground, Black voodoo and Enrage and drops his skills on me. If i dont use magic def charm before and he crits, he can oneshot me, he crited 14.5k on me.

People forget the benefit of triple sparking, especially wizards in TW. I view my role as mostly crowd control. That is our strength, after all. Occasionally, if there is an especially hard target, I'll look to take them down, but mostly I am looking for groups and blanketing the area in front of our catas with aoe. For that reason, for the most part, I don't triple spark - and the times I do, its more often to defend a R9 sin - the immunity and damage reduction do wonders to allow my slow mind to figure out wtf Imma gonna do to escape - and give my teammates time to gank him (sage spark shows up nicely - my squad learns quickly its more of a warning flare than me on attack, lol).

However . . .

There is this wizard on our server with +10 rank 8, but otherwise pretty average gear. It would be easy for rank 9s to roll him, but he gets his jollies from triple sparking and 1 shotting them that spent 20x more for their gear than he did for his.

Triple spark is incredible, ijs.

Other than that, the only explaination that is really necessary is this:

fish = OP

Elendria - Dreamweaver

Ok now it makes sence to me. You're talking about a pk situation where you have no clue a psy is around to triple spark and black vodoo. If the psy is R9 and already has with blessing and gear 90+ attack lvls then a blow from them will hurt bigtime. Ok that makes sence.

I was talking about TW. If a psy would triple spark and black vodoo in TW they might get some kills in but drop like a hot potato as their def lvl would go down the drain. Thats why in TW I actually never see a psy with black vodoo on only white.

But yeah psychs do hit hard but their regular attacks should not one shot you. When they triple spark, black vodoo and maybe top it with extreme poison it might hurt a lot. But there is not much you can do other than AD and IG when available to survive that initial blow. Its like when you triple spark and undine, with your attack power you one shot groups of ppl too with an ulti.

Psys in general are a nightmare to fight anyways, especially when they have that silence return buff on, I hate that buff b:surrender

Adroit - Lost City

Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ok now it makes sence to me. You're talking about a pk situation where you have no clue a psy is around to triple spark and black vodoo. If the psy is R9 and already has with blessing and gear 90+ attack lvls then a blow from them will hurt bigtime. Ok that makes sence.

I was talking about TW. If a psy would triple spark and black vodoo in TW they might get some kills in but drop like a hot potato as their def lvl would go down the drain. Thats why in TW I actually never see a psy with black vodoo on only white.

But yeah psychs do hit hard but their regular attacks should not one shot you. When they triple spark, black vodoo and maybe top it with extreme poison it might hurt a lot. But there is not much you can do other than AD and IG when available to survive that initial blow. Its like when you triple spark and undine, with your attack power you one shot groups of ppl too with an ulti.

Psys in general are a nightmare to fight anyways, especially when they have that silence return buff on, I hate that buff b:surrender

It boggles my mind that anyone can have full r9 +12 and never hear about mdef charms or figure out that genie /apoth aren't limited to just immune. You're just as bad as the garbage sin epidemic of 2011.. you cs an advantage with no skill at all and think the reason you win is because of skill. Sad really.

Arenaceous - Lost City

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

It boggles my mind that anyone can have full r9 +12 and never hear about mdef charms or figure out that genie /apoth aren't limited to just immune. You're just as bad as the garbage sin epidemic of 2011.. you cs an advantage with no skill at all and think the reason you win is because of skill. Sad really.

Lol, relax dude. :P Don't say things you cannot take back (refering to the sin comparison xD). At least she isn't hiding in stealth and going all tripple + occult ice + shadow escape...

To be fair, I see loads and loads of players that only use their genie to domain and spam IG pots as only apoth. I had an archer (of your faction btw ;p) that didn't get ticked by a 7k hit but demon sparked + clawed on me... Also with Shinzoko on kos, you should know that skill and gear correlate only in very few cases, so why the surprise?

You never played on a pve server, so I should tell you that concepts like conservation of genie energy/apoth/chi to win a drawn out fight due to taking away your enemies options are not a concept applied much in a pve servers pk areas... And it's getting rarer and rarer on LC too. It also doesn't help that a lot of people never learned to fight and win undergeared fights... It's nothing too uncommon. Why you think the sins only tripple + occult? Because it works in 80% of the cases. The rest is "u lucky" or "laaag" or "*coming back when you fight another person*".

MageFizban - Lost City

Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I was talking about TW. If a psy would triple spark and black vodoo in TW they might get some kills in but drop like a hot potato as their def lvl would go down the drain. Thats why in TW I actually never see a psy with black vodoo on only white.

But yeah psychs do hit hard but their regular attacks should not one shot you. When they triple spark, black vodoo and maybe top it with extreme poison it might hurt a lot. But there is not much you can do other than AD and IG when available to survive that initial blow. Its like when you triple spark and undine, with your attack power you one shot groups of ppl too with an ulti.

Psys in general are a nightmare to fight anyways, especially when they have that silence return buff on, I hate that buff b:surrender

lolwut white voodoo. well we always knew aznbloodv sucked ***. i sincerely hope they're not asian.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

good gear doesnt make u a bad person

maybe a lazy player - but there is no reason for insults >.>



i cant say anything bad about ele or bloodV personally




i hear my friends in the enemy faction complaining about being 1shot by blood?
how can she 1sht well geared archers with white voodoo?

MageFizban - Lost City

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

good gear doesnt make u a bad person

maybe a lazy player - but there is no reason for insults >.>

i hear my friends in the enemy faction complaining about being 1shot by blood?
how can she 1sht well geared archers with white voodoo?

no. i don't know bloodv. i've never seen them play. but jami said they sucked on all their chars so i'd believe that. anyone who is perma-white voodoo'd in tw with full +12 and josd plays via their CC.

maybe s/he triples in white voodoo to deal the same damage as a regular attack in black. who knows lol? b:chuckle

Elendria - Dreamweaver

Thx Hex b:kiss you're actually one of the few ppl I am sad not to see in faction chat anymore b:cry

I don't know maybe he/she had a bad day and attacked me personally. I don't mind, we all have our bad days where we don't think before we write something that might hurt another person. I think she/he also thinks again too much of 1v1 pk when I always post I talk tw strictly. And if she always knows which class attacks her between the 5 people that are on her in that moment, then props to her. I don't have the time when I have 5 ppl on me to use mag def charms, when I am spamming pdef charms because of archers on my behind, as I usually get ganked by my archies in tw.

I don't know Mage. I see her in white vodoo all the time. And to my knowledge she is asian But yeah her regular shots don't really one shot anyone in my squad, only once in a while she has a huge blast and kills one of them. Maybe she sparked in that moment or changed to black vodoo for a sec. I don't know how the psychs skill work, if you can switch them for a few secs or not, only know the color difference between white and black vodoo buff, so that is why I know everytime I see her she has white vodoo on not black.

DaichiOni - Dreamweaver

this is getting pretty heated.

MageFizban - Lost City

Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't know Mage. I see her in white vodoo all the time. And to my knowledge she is asian But yeah her regular shots don't really one shot anyone in my squad, only once in a while she has a huge blast and kills one of them. Maybe she sparked in that moment or changed to black vodoo for a sec. I don't know how the psychs skill work, if you can switch them for a few secs or not, only know the color difference between white and black vodoo buff, so that is why I know everytime I see her she has white vodoo on not black.

Thank heavens for your faction that your rivals are such bad players lol. I want to see a tw vid regardless.

Pearlwood - Lost City

Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »

Lol, relax dude. :P Don't say things you cannot take back (refering to the sin comparison xD). At least she isn't hiding in stealth and going all tripple + occult ice + shadow escape...

To be fair, I see loads and loads of players that only use their genie to domain and spam IG pots as only apoth. I had an archer (of your faction btw ;p) that didn't get ticked by a 7k hit but demon sparked + clawed on me... Also with Shinzoko on kos, you should know that skill and gear correlate only in very few cases, so why the surprise?

You never played on a pve server, so I should tell you that concepts like conservation of genie energy/apoth/chi to win a drawn out fight due to taking away your enemies options are not a concept applied much in a pve servers pk areas... And it's getting rarer and rarer on LC too. It also doesn't help that a lot of people never learned to fight and win undergeared fights... It's nothing too uncommon. Why you think the sins only tripple + occult? Because it works in 80% of the cases. The rest is "u lucky" or "laaag" or "*coming back when you fight another person*".

Arey, Love the post. And, u spanked me the other day in pk practice...so I won't blow smoke at you. But, Adroit taught me how to watch and sleep (hence your mid-air trance). Yes, we're LC wizzes and skill is actually important there, but I think the point was that monied cash shoppers buying all the gear and then giving advice to the House of Commons is kinda cheesy...especially when their rhetoric gives away their tactical ignorance. Oh, and the reason I don't triple spark is because after my opponent is dead I get ganked by an Alfred E. Newman lookalike (for those that don't know..that's the coverboy for MAD Magazine.) I hate that.

Peace out, bro.

Arenaceous - Lost City

Haha, I am actually on Adroits side He's my idol, skill wise. I just told him to calm down because he got a bit heated up lol...

Pearlwood - Lost City

Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »

Haha, I am actually on Adroits side He's my idol, skill wise. I just told him to calm down because he got a bit heated up lol...

I KNOW. lol (i was just re-enforcing the point)

MageFizban - Lost City

Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »

Haha, I am actually on Adroits side He's my idol, skill wise. I just told him to calm down because he got a bit heated up lol...

and we all know who androit's idol is

Adroit - Lost City

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

and we all know who androit's idol is

You got me, it's Elendria for sure b:laugh

MageFizban - Lost City

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

You got me, it's Elendria for sure b:laugh

i thought the "androit" would have given it away.