PWI Best G15 Fist Cast EVER!?

OneBeer - Sanctuary

So recast my fist 16 times...
I kept it at this for a while (link below)

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1123-44-20-1.jpg

And a few days later I recasted to this...
0.15 on the wep...

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1413-30-42.jpg

Let me know what you think PWI

Thanks in Advance

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

Gz. Now roll a sage BM.

TigerLily - Lost City

I dont like Berserk on weapons at all, getting amped with a mini-HF all the time hurts <_<
Its just not worth the extra dmg and attack speed. It doesn't stack with Demon Spark, Cyclone heal, Genie or any other speed buff either.

Maybe if you're a buffed BM with 20-25k hp, full heavy and Blood Paint you can tank stuff with those fists, but archer no way you go splat when you have aggro.

Just my personal opinion b:surrender I'm sure some crazy players just love to get amped 50% while tanking 3-3 and waste more hp-charm than during a TW lol. I dont even wanna think about getting a 50% amp in PvP either.

The x2 Interval is nice tho and its probably the best G15 Fists out there since no one makes them second cast. Most people get the G15 Claws instead since Blood Vengeance is way more useful.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

OneBeer - Sanctuary wrote: »

So recast my fist 16 times...
I kept it at this for a while (link below)

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1123-44-20-1.jpg

And a few days later I recasted to this...
0.15 on the wep...

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1413-30-42.jpg

Let me know what you think PWI

Thanks in Advance

The only thing I can think of is how shockingly low your base phys attack damage ends up being (only 3.5k - 3.7k ? b:shocked ) despite wearing a weapon whose damage makes my +10 deicides look like sh*t.

Pyrostormz - Raging Tide

but he is 5 aps !!!! iz the best thign evar !!!

except he is outdamaged by a level 80, 2 aps sin 0.o b:thanks

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

Pyrostormz - Raging Tide wrote: »

but he is 5 aps !!!! iz the best thign evar !!!

except he is outdamaged by a level 80, 2 aps sin 0.o b:thanks

LOL... I know that he has the extra crit rate going for him and all but jeez... put those fists on my BM or even a Barb and the resulting base damage would probably more than double his.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

Very nice, except I can't help but shudder when I see Binding Charm.

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

Pyrostormz - Raging Tide wrote: »

but he is 5 aps !!!! iz the best thign evar !!!

except he is outdamaged by a level 80, 2 aps sin 0.o b:thanks

No he isn't. Show me a 2.0 aps sin who can out DPS 5.0 +10 NV anything.

@Hex, factor in other things like blaze.

Pyrostormz - Raging Tide

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

No he isn't. Show me a 2.0 aps sin who can out DPS 5.0 +10 NV anything.

@Hex, factor in other things like blaze.

was not literally doing the math... there was a small element of sarcasm in my post 0.o

but yeah... the base damage is.........

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Pyrostormz - Raging Tide wrote: »

but he is 5 aps !!!! iz the best thign evar !!!

except he is outdamaged by a level 80, 2 aps sin 0.o b:thanks

not really.


OP is proof that being lvl 100+ and spending a lot of money doesnt make you not a noob.

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

Pyrostormz - Raging Tide wrote: »

was not literally doing the math... there was a small element of sarcasm in my post 0.o

but yeah... the base damage is.........

The only sarcasm I detected was '2.0 sin will out dps him'

Pyrostormz - Raging Tide

well there you go then

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

That base damage is misleading since that is unsparked, with no berserk proc, and doesn't factor in blazing arrow or high crit.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

the only legitimate reason for an archer, especially a demon archer, to get the fists instead of the claws is that the fists are prettier.

Mosz - Heavens Tear

youre demon so the attack speed is useless, youre an archer so the beserk combined with your horrible defenses and no def lvl make you SPLAT, then again not like youll have aggro with those seeing as +20 atk lvl is much better, and revenge(claws) would have been a lot more useful...

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

My 76 Sin pulled aggro off a 91 Archer using CH:S on Zimo, simply by using Relentless Courage to get up to 1.82 APS during spark. The Archer was demon sparked at the same time.

If Hooks can get me to 2.0 with Relentless Courage during Sage Spark, I'd probably be able to pull aggro off the OP doing 5.0, when I get to level 89. Then again, I've got hooks that are 2 socket with G10 Garnets in them and +5 already, and my base attack is already above 3.4k, so... We'll have to see.

TheDan - Sanctuary

I'd like those adds on my BM's fists, but for an archer with Rank 8 chest, you're above 5.0 base... seems a bit overkill. You really only need 4.0 base lol.

You're better off with my fists and I'm better off with yours. b:surrender

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Get yourself an Account stash, OP, and stash those over to your BM. You've got Deicides in your inventory, why not use those?

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

That base damage is misleading since that is unsparked, with no berserk proc, and doesn't factor in blazing arrow or high crit.

Actually no... I was comparing his "unsparked" damage to the unsparked damage of other fist/claw wielding characters with similar or even weaker weapons (my deicides in this example). And his base damage really is extremely poor for such an awesome weapon.

Also... bringing in damage boosters such as blazing arrow (CCing for the extra fire damage I assume) is irrelevant since other classes also have ways of temporarily boosting both their crit and damage. For example... demon blazing arrow adds 70% extra fire damage when Canceled. BM's DBB skill adds 135% bonus fire damage in turn. Bottom line... Archers conversion of fist weapon damage to base damage is horrendous and call me noob... but thanks to this thread, only now do I realize how bad it truly is. Their high crit rate is really their only saving grace.

RouxLouka - Dreamweaver

Go switch to sage at the very least. b:embarrass

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

My 76 Sin pulled aggro off a 91 Archer using CH:S on Zimo, simply by using Relentless Courage to get up to 1.82 APS during spark. The Archer was demon sparked at the same time.

If Hooks can get me to 2.0 with Relentless Courage during Sage Spark, I'd probably be able to pull aggro off the OP doing 5.0, when I get to level 89. Then again, I've got hooks that are 2 socket with G10 Garnets in them and +5 already, and my base attack is already above 3.4k, so... We'll have to see.

Um, no you won't.

I got +4 Hooks with 2x Immaculates on them. I also have TT99 wrists, boots, belt and necklace for 2.22 aps. I have about 15k DPS unsparked. Since the weapon attack did not change, OneBeer would have 5.0 aps base, giving him an average DPS of about 24.4k, unsparked. Oh, and since OneBeer has a smaller damage multiplier due to being mostly dexterity-built, he gains a higher amount of damage from triple spark than I would. Therefore, even if we compared sparked DPS, I wouldn't even be close.

So yeah, you won't have a DPS that's even close to his.

And comparing a bow-wielding Archer to an Assassin is ridiculous. My sin has unsparked about triple the DPS of my 92 Archer. Hell, I have more DPS on a worse bow than my Archer used to have. Though I do have -0.15 more interval and 7 levels higher.

Also... bringing in damage boosters such as blazing arrow (CCing for the extra fire damage I assume) is irrelevant since other classes also have ways of temporarily boosting both their crit and damage. For example... demon blazing arrow adds 70% extra fire damage when Canceled. BM's DBB skill adds 135% bonus fire damage in turn. Bottom line... Archers conversion of fist weapon damage to base damage is horrendous and call me noob... but thanks to this thread, only now do I realize how bad it truly is. Their high crit rate is really their only saving grace.

Um, Demon Blazing Arrow gives a regular +50%. For the first 20 seconds, you get +120%, since you get an extra +70%.

KareszPsych - Heavens Tear

Actually, while his base attack looks low, when he's triple sparked there isn't that much difference compared to a BM with demon mastery, and it's not like you have to attack unsparked very often on a 5 aps char?

I'm in no way saying OP is a pro (I simply don't know him), but I have to LOL at all the people claiming they could pull agro from him with a +5 Hook n Thorn on their 2 APS sin. b:bye

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Actually no... I was comparing his "unsparked" damage to the unsparked damage of other fist/claw wielding characters with similar or even weaker weapons (my deicides in this example). And his base damage really is extremely poor for such an awesome weapon.

Also... bringing in damage boosters such as blazing arrow (CCing for the extra fire damage I assume) is irrelevant since other classes also have ways of temporarily boosting both their crit and damage. For example... demon blazing arrow adds 70% extra fire damage when Canceled. BM's DBB skill adds 135% bonus fire damage in turn. Bottom line... Archers conversion of fist weapon damage to base damage is horrendous and call me noob... but thanks to this thread, only now do I realize how bad it truly is. Their high crit rate is really their only saving grace.

The reason why it is misleading is that archers don't use fists unsparked. BMs can get away with that in some circumstances due to mastery but archers rely on demon spark and other buffs / stats for damage.

Azura - Lost City

I see a -0.10, not -0.15. That fist you got it's very rare anyway, but too bad is worn by an archer.

Namari - Dreamweaver

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

I see a -0.10, not -0.15. That fist you got it's very rare anyway, but too bad is worn by an archer.

The Berserk gives another -0.05 methinks; hence, 0.15.

And I had to do a quick base attack comparison to my level 85 sin and her max attack is higher than his max attack. Which is odd considering that her Hooks are only +3. Thank the higher beings for crit?

But anyways, that is possibly the best pair of fists I've seen, and my fiance would love something like this (and since he's sage, he can take the hits a little better).

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'd like those adds on my BM's fists, but for an archer with Rank 8 chest, you're above 5.0 base... seems a bit overkill. You really only need 4.0 base lol.

You're better off with my fists and I'm better off with yours. b:surrender

you'd be better off with a barb with all those skill books, sillyhead b:cute

Wunderkind - Dreamweaver

Namari - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The Berserk gives another -0.05 methinks; hence, 0.15.

And I had to do a quick base attack comparison to my level 85 sin and her max attack is higher than his max attack. Which is odd considering that her Hooks are only +3. Thank the higher beings for crit?

But anyways, that is possibly the best pair of fists I've seen, and my fiance would love something like this (and since he's sage, he can take the hits a little better).

That fists proc is still completely broken and has been for months that proc doesn't give you any damage or attack speed increase that it says....grats OP for rolling 2 -ints though, but your proc is completely worthless. b:bye

SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary

b:surrender Green,

You have a perfectly good sin; why waste $ for archer's fists...

b:sad Make me double int daggers instead.

ManCaveDan - Sanctuary

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you'd be better off with a barb with all those skill books, sillyhead b:cute

I am a barb though. b:chuckle

Vinat - Sanctuary

youre gonna cry if you lose your post count lol

Sweet_Aura - Heavens Tear

I wish i had those cast on my fist b:cry to bad i dont fill lucky enough