Medals of glory should NOT be released
Elemental_w - Heavens Tear
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Rank 9 has ruined PvP on PvE servers, ruined TW on all servers and has made a rift in the community.
The economy of PWI suffered from the first release of the Medals of Glory, which turned out to be a glitch.. If the medals ruined the economy for PWI once when it wasn't even fully accessable to the public it will ruin the economy surely if released to the public through the Cash Shop.
Rank 9 was ment to be the superior rank in the game, if the medals are released through the cash shop we'll want R10 because everyone will have it and it will be Rank 8 all over again. If the dev's made it so it was only earned through TW like it always should have been, only a few community members would have it- The DQ shop was a leap and a lot more people earned it through that.
The community of cash shopping "powerlevelers" complain that they don't have it, when its ment to be for the select few that have earned it through TW. I think making it so every level 101 that spends 100$'s on this game would be a mistake in all aspects, just because some greedy powerhungry kids want to be "Pro"
The economy of PWI suffered from the first release of the Medals of Glory, which turned out to be a glitch.. If the medals ruined the economy for PWI once when it wasn't even fully accessable to the public it will ruin the economy surely if released to the public through the Cash Shop.
Rank 9 was ment to be the superior rank in the game, if the medals are released through the cash shop we'll want R10 because everyone will have it and it will be Rank 8 all over again. If the dev's made it so it was only earned through TW like it always should have been, only a few community members would have it- The DQ shop was a leap and a lot more people earned it through that.
The community of cash shopping "powerlevelers" complain that they don't have it, when its ment to be for the select few that have earned it through TW. I think making it so every level 101 that spends 100$'s on this game would be a mistake in all aspects, just because some greedy powerhungry kids want to be "Pro"
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Too late. It's coming out in token shop this coming Wednesday./quit.
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No the medals need to be re-released to bring any kind of balance back to TW/pvp..
As it is now you have the small handfull having the advanatge of owning every faction on their server, without no one having the chance to EVER get up to their level.
Not releasing the medals will keep anyone not r9 yet, in stale mate.0 -
RouxLouka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Too late. It's coming out in token shop this coming Wednesday.
And you know this how?101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
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No the medals need to be re-released to bring any kind of balance back to TW/pvp..
As it is now you have the small handfull having the advanatge of owning every faction on their server, without no one having the chance to EVER get up to their level.
Not releasing the medals will keep anyone not r9 yet, in stale mate.
No. Keep them impossible to get to not have more R9s >.>[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »No. Keep them impossible to get to not have more R9s >.>
Why, so the handfull of people that have it can all turtle up into one faction and make the rest of the server suffer from 10 min TWs under the hand of their mighty e-peens?
I think not.. I'd rather see medals drop from lvl 20 mobs in west arch outskirts before enduring another few months of that.0 -
Rank 9 ruined the game
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Why, so the handfull of people that have it can all turtle up into one faction and make the rest of the server suffer from 10 min TWs under the hand of their mighty e-peens?
I think not.. I'd rather see medals drop from lvl 20 mobs in west arch outskirts before enduring another few months of that.
Well... There's an Archer in my faction that can oneshot just about anyone, including R9 refined BM's, Psy, Wiz, etc., except, well, Barbs. He's not R9. So... R9 doesn't make the character...
To be honest, the MAIN reason the current R9 players are so good is because they would kick *** in almost any gear, anyway. Some of these people have been TWing for 1-2 years already, and if R9 didn't exist, and R8 didn't exist, and R7 didn't exist, they would have TT99/Nirvana and still own the freaking map anyway. Difference is, Psys wouldn't have 14711861453486454531486186 Soulforce enabling them to oneshot entire cata squads.
Which is really the only class that can be a complete NUB, get R9+12, and just faceroll their way through TW. You CAN be brainless on a Psy, and still own in TW. That's more the exception, though... And if they shard with nothing but JOSD's, then they suddenly are immune to oneshots by other Psys, more or less.
So... Make R9 accessible. If PWE doesn't, then they just took something unbalanced, and made it worse. For an already unbalanced game, that's... Well, obviously a step in the wrong direction.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
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Psychics can still have the same soulforce even with level 10 gears. You clearly do not now what you are talking about./quit.
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RouxLouka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Psychics can still have the same soulforce even with level 10 gears. You clearly do not now what you are talking about.
Why would you refine a G10 set to +12 if you're going to get R8 or R9? b:shocked101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Well... There's an Archer in my faction that can oneshot just about anyone, including R9 refined BM's, Psy, Wiz, etc., except, well, Barbs. He's not R9. So... R9 doesn't make the character...
To be honest, the MAIN reason the current R9 players are so good is because they would kick *** in almost any gear, anyway. Some of these people have been TWing for 1-2 years already, and if R9 didn't exist, and R8 didn't exist, and R7 didn't exist, they would have TT99/Nirvana and still own the freaking map anyway. Difference is, Psys wouldn't have 14711861453486454531486186 Soulforce enabling them to oneshot entire cata squads.
Which is really the only class that can be a complete NUB, get R9+12, and just faceroll their way through TW. You CAN be brainless on a Psy, and still own in TW. That's more the exception, though... And if they shard with nothing but JOSD's, then they suddenly are immune to oneshots by other Psys, more or less.
So... Make R9 accessible. If PWE doesn't, then they just took something unbalanced, and made it worse. For an already unbalanced game, that's... Well, obviously a step in the wrong direction.
Not hardly... It don't take skill or knowledge to TAB shoot TAB shoot TAB shoot...
And I could name-names of people that are currently r-9 that don't know their class from a dead cat in the road.
But really this is not about skill per-say. having r9 does not enhance your skills as a PVPer, in fact its quite the oposite.. Namely because of what I said above, If all r9s compile to one faction, they are all going up against r8s at best. Still TAB-1shotted. Ive seen ONE person...one r9 player...completely AoE an entire TW of 30ish people at the crystal. And maybe two-three survived. So really r9 players never need to practice skill unless up against other r9s of equivelent refines.. which is currently just a small handfull of players.. So the odds of them even going against eachother is not in the favor of useing skill.
Will all the r-9s compile like that? Im seeing it currently on two servers.. SO my theory is proven itself to me. So I would certainly vote a return of the medals. Or take away the damage they have already done.0 -
But... but... making Rank 9 pathetically easy to get for everybody was PWI's magic formula to improve the game!
Don't you remember this speech?
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Why would you refine a G10 set to +12 if you're going to get R8 or R9? b:shocked
So many people do and then just go back and refine their new gear b:chuckle
In terms of this thread...Meh, to be honest I would rather see an option for a Defense Level Blessing.
Rank 9 is in the game and all there is too it. Does not mean you have to get it, just means you have to adjust. Not all R9's can one-shot people, mostly those people that know what they are doing
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Why would you refine a G10 set to +12 if you're going to get R8 or R9? b:shocked
soulforce is effected by lvl and refines only, you a +12 wep will give 15k soulforce no matter the lvl of the wep its just ppl only +12 r9 weps for all the obvious reasons and that at 100+ you have a base of 15k soulforce which would give ~30k soulforce, being the case you would have ~30% seal rate, but on the other side of all other gear gives nowhere near that much with full r9 +12 you would have 55-59k soulforce which is ~40-45% seal rate and before you ppl start to QQ remember how much money doing so would cost and how few ppl can do that, and now that full r9 is essentially impossible even fewer ppl can have itFederation of United Casters Keeping Others From Failing And
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I want medals to come back, so I can make more money off this game
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I'm just a measly old level 98 psychic wearing tt 90 gear and wep, with my armor only refined to a plus 2 and my weapon to a plus 7. and yet with the addition of only using white voodoo I easily can stand up and fight back against most rank 9 clerics and archers (which seem to be the most trouble for me besides assassins). now this doesn't mean that I win too often, but I am almost never one shot by the level 100 + rank 9 archers an clerics. Personally I see no reason for them to go ahead and bring the metals back. seems to me that they cant not bring the medals back. Too many have already paid for everything else that is required for that rank.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RouxLouka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Psychics can still have the same soulforce even with level 10 gears. You clearly do not now what you are talking about.
Wrong - A Psy gets a Soulforce bonus with R9 Belt0 -
Starle - Archosaur wrote: »Wrong - A Psy gets a Soulforce bonus with R9 Belt
a bit off topic but any grade belt to +12 would give 2535 soulforce which is 35 more then the r9 belt which can't be refined.
But r9 belt also counts towards a set bonus.0 -
Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Well... There's an Archer in my faction that can oneshot just about anyone, including R9 refined BM's, Psy, Wiz, etc., except, well, Barbs. He's not R9. So... R9 doesn't make the character...
To be honest, the MAIN reason the current R9 players are so good is because they would kick *** in almost any gear
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Most r9ers I've seen are average skilled players. Vast minority are "kick ***". Not too many were even known or notable before they got r9, skill wise.
But many r9ers, rather than previously being known for being skilled, were previously known for CS. And that's the biggest consistency I've seen, not that I have anything against it. I'm just saying there has been a confusion in who is skilled and who is not because of this.
And how does an archer one shot everyone. That just sounds ridiculous(assuming "everyone" is equally geared people who were aware of the situation).
As for the current r9 situation. What can I say about it I've tried to think about it and come up with a conclusion but everything leads to dead ends. The only thing that I can think of that would help is something completely impossible which is the complete removal of r9.
One more thing. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING FAIL R8 NUBWADS IN SQUADS MAKING R8 LOOK BAD. I really had to get that off my chest.0 -
They should make special shards only avalilable to r8 gear that will even it out to r9's so it can become balanced.
They should make these shards hard to get but not that hard.
Or they should reintroduce the metals so every1 has a chance to get r9. Then they should introduce r10 and make it hard again so every1 has a challenge in getting them. b:pleased0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »...
Most r9ers I've seen are average skilled players. Vast minority are "kick ***". Not too many were even known or notable before they got r9, skill wise.
But many r9ers, rather than previously being known for being skilled, were previously known for CS. And that's the biggest consistency I've seen, not that I have anything against it. I'm just saying there has been a confusion in who is skilled and who is not because of this.
And how does an archer one shot everyone. That just sounds ridiculous(assuming "everyone" is equally geared people who were aware of the situation).
As for the current r9 situation. What can I say about it I've tried to think about it and come up with a conclusion but everything leads to dead ends. The only thing that I can think of that would help is something completely impossible which is the complete removal of r9.
One more thing. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING FAIL R8 NUBWADS IN SQUADS MAKING R8 LOOK BAD. I really had to get that off my chest.
I've seen both with R9. There's someone on Sanct who actually had R8 rep before rep ever went on sale, and farmed R9 via DQ points. He can play his character like no other. Take the R9 away, and he'll still kick your ***. But then... There's other people I've watched in open PK who have R9, and it's refined to +10, and they consistently lose to people with R8 that's not refined, TT99 that's not refined, or even someone in mildly refined TT90 gear.
As for oneshotting everyone... It comes down to skill. And it's not all the time... I'm level 90, and I don't even have passives yet, but... I can oneshot a 102 R8 Cleric just by Sage Spark - Sage Take Aim. In 1v1 PVP during TW, I facerolled everything I came up against, even the clerics that were oneshotting me before. And that's where Sage Spark actually saved me, and Demon spark would have been totally worthless... One R9 cleric attempted to oneshot me, but the damage reduction from sage spark kept me alive, long enough for me to 2 shot him.
And R8... It's cheap. So... Everyone can get it. refining it to +10 is not cheap. So, almost nobody will do that unless they're serious. That's my plan, 3.33 gear +10, until I can get the Nirvana pants and Pan Gu or Love Up and Down (I'm making a Sage Sin, so, the Tome won't just be used on my Archer, it'll also be used on my BM too). Then, my Archer will be 5.0 base unsparked, and if R9 becomes available again, I may go for it. We'll see. I gotta get a skill clip first. b:surrender101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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I can oneshot a 102 R8 Cleric just by Sage Spark - Sage Take Aim. In 1v1
One shotting a robe while tripple sparked isn't much of an acomplishment. And a r8 don't make someone invisable to one shots from a tripple sparked -10 lvls char. Esspecially if they just "have r8" no refines, and mediocre sharding still make a r8 char no better geared then equivelent to a lvl 90 decent geared person... anyway...
No if ans, or butts about it.. rank 8 or lvl 12/13 gear in general even if +12ed across the board holds no candle to a +12 lvl 16 weapon of choice. Use all the skill in the world you think you have, won't happen. PWI made it even worse when they tossed in attk level bonuses and shards into the mix.0 -
Starle - Archosaur wrote: »Wrong - A Psy gets a Soulforce bonus with R9 Belt
I think that guy just meant you can have a grade 10 wep or a grade 15 wep and if they are both +12 you get the exact same amount of soulforce[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Remove the rank and people will whine.
Give the rank back, and people will whine.
The REAL problem is that it should have never been stuck in here in the first place.
Broken game is not fixed with broken gear. Nice try PWI. b:bye
EDIT: Psychics are given the same refine bonuses no matter what the gear is. Try researching the class before you start whining about how "OP" it is. Truth be told, Psychics were always super powerful, everybody just realized it too late and began to whine. Yes, the R9 belt gives you more soulforce....but exactly how many Psychics are playing on your server that have Rank 9?
I can only think of one in Harshlands, unfortunately....and you couldn't have killed him whether he had on Rank 9 or level 1 NPC armor....They made fun of me because I wasn't a R8 Psychic...and then came third cast. It's not funny anymore.
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »As for oneshotting everyone... It comes down to skill. And it's not all the time... I'm level 90, and I don't even have passives yet, but... I can oneshot a 102 R8 Cleric just by Sage Spark - Sage Take Aim.
Aha ha ha ha, oh wait you were serious?
I'm quit until medals are back and if they're never back that's okay to. But i doubt pwi is done milking money from medals anyways so i'm not worried.Siggy from bellefleurs.
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Set lvl cap to 80 for instant balance b:avoid No interval, no one-shots, no triple spark, and detection apoth might actually be worthwhile (Ok im not totally sure on that one >_>)
On a more realistic note tho, what do you ppl actually want? Would you want the amount of R9 to be kept where it is right now, or do you want R9 to be absolutely everywhere?0 -
_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »Remove the rank and people will whine.
Give the rank back, and people will whine.
.....but exactly how many Psychics are playing on your server that have Rank 9?
I can only think of one in Harshlands, unfortunately....and you couldn't have killed him whether he had on Rank 9 or level 1 NPC armor....
At least three I definitly know of maybe a couple more I don't
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »I've seen both with R9. There's someone on Sanct who actually had R8 rep before rep ever went on sale, and farmed R9 via DQ points. He can play his character like no other. Take the R9 away, and he'll still kick your ***. But then... There's other people I've watched in open PK who have R9, and it's refined to +10, and they consistently lose to people with R8 that's not refined, TT99 that's not refined, or even someone in mildly refined TT90 gear.
As for oneshotting everyone... It comes down to skill. And it's not all the time... I'm level 90, and I don't even have passives yet, but... I can oneshot a 102 R8 Cleric just by Sage Spark - Sage Take Aim. In 1v1 PVP during TW, I facerolled everything I came up against, even the clerics that were oneshotting me before. And that's where Sage Spark actually saved me, and Demon spark would have been totally worthless... One R9 cleric attempted to oneshot me, but the damage reduction from sage spark kept me alive, long enough for me to 2 shot him.
And R8... It's cheap. So... Everyone can get it. refining it to +10 is not cheap. So, almost nobody will do that unless they're serious. That's my plan, 3.33 gear +10, until I can get the Nirvana pants and Pan Gu or Love Up and Down (I'm making a Sage Sin, so, the Tome won't just be used on my Archer, it'll also be used on my BM too). Then, my Archer will be 5.0 base unsparked, and if R9 becomes available again, I may go for it. We'll see. I gotta get a skill clip first. b:surrender
lol arent you one of the people complaining about power leveled noobs? why in the hell would you make a level 90 char and NOT level your passives? b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »lol arent you one of the people complaining about power leveled noobs? why in the hell would you make a level 90 char and NOT level your passives? b:bye
I don't have Sage passives yet. They're all level 10, as it is.
I'm trying to figure out how to economically get level 11 skills for ~ 4 characters at the same time (Sage Archer, Sage Sin, Demon BM, and Sage Veno), all without spending large amounts of RL money. At the same time, I'm trying to figure out how to get some gear to get my APS up on Archer/Sin; Sharing gear is easy, and I've already got TT90 wrists/boots for souledges when I'm ready to make TT99. It's the Nirvana pants, tome, and cape that are somewhat ominous to me. The TT99 ornaments will be doable. I can farm TT2x and 3x with friends whenever.
Then there's the question of refining and sharding stuff once I get it.
So, you can see how daunting it is... And when there isn't simply a 25 mil Sage Winged Pledge skillbook you can just go buy off AH, like your Demon BM or Demon Archer skills, it makes it that much more of a PITA to get it. If the game feels like being a ****, you could waste a lot of coin making freaking blazing arrow over and over trying to get it, and it's not like you can just sell that for... ANYTHING. I got mine free. >_>101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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Since the day R9 was released, I knew it was absolutely unfair of PWI. Putting gear in the boutique was a bad idea in the first place. But placing totally overpowered gear in it, that can not be obtained with farming, was a complete joke. Now that we have R9 people everywhere, I am not sure. I, myself will never get R9, no matter which character.
"If you don't go to get it, it is your fault if you get owned."
**** you, Sponty McTrollin, I simply refuse to get it, as I can not farm it. And even if I buy all the components for it, it is still way to expensive.
But regarding the OP, we are in a bit of a pickle. Those who have R9, have it and totally pwn non-R9. Releasing Medals again would result in more R9 people to counter them. But I highly doubt that everyone will get it, so I'd agree with the OP. Bringing Medals back will just result in more QQ. At least for the non-CS people.Feel free to PM me for help.
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »I don't have Sage passives yet. They're all level 10, as it is.
I'm trying to figure out how to economically get level 11 skills for ~ 4 characters at the same time (Sage Archer, Sage Sin, Demon BM, and Sage Veno), all without spending large amounts of RL money. At the same time, I'm trying to figure out how to get some gear to get my APS up on Archer/Sin; Sharing gear is easy, and I've already got TT90 wrists/boots for souledges when I'm ready to make TT99. It's the Nirvana pants, tome, and cape that are somewhat ominous to me. The TT99 ornaments will be doable. I can farm TT2x and 3x with friends whenever.
Then there's the question of refining and sharding stuff once I get it.
So, you can see how daunting it is... And when there isn't simply a 25 mil Sage Winged Pledge skillbook you can just go buy off AH, like your Demon BM or Demon Archer skills, it makes it that much more of a PITA to get it. If the game feels like being a ****, you could waste a lot of coin making freaking blazing arrow over and over trying to get it, and it's not like you can just sell that for... ANYTHING. I got mine free. >_>
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