G15 Sling / G15 Fists +10 with SS - ADVICE

OneBeer - Sanctuary

Hey guys

Heres two SS of my build (on the left). I am 2s G15 +10 TT Nirvana Fist / Sling combo on my archer. I belive I do very well in PvE / PvP. Thought I would share with you what I use. Maybe if you give some advice of what you think or any info / comments you would like to leave would be much appreciated

Thanks in advance.

(Attack speed Sling - 1.11 normal / 1.54 Quick shot / 1.54 Sparked)
(Attack speed Fist - 4.0 normal / 5.0 Beserker / 5.0 Sparked)


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1123-45-10-1.jpg


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1123-44-20-1.jpg

KedgeSniper - Lost City

OneBeer - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hey guys

Heres two SS of my build (on the left). I am 2s G15 +10 TT Nirvana Fist / Sling combo on my archer. I belive I do very well in PvE / PvP. Thought I would share with you what I use. Maybe if you give some advice of what you think or any info / comments you would like to leave would be much appreciated

Thanks in advance.

(Attack speed Sling - 1.11 normal / 1.54 Quick shot / 1.54 Sparked)
(Attack speed Fist - 4.0 normal / 5.0 Beserker / 5.0 Sparked)


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1123-45-10-1.jpg


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1123-44-20-1.jpg

sell both n get rank9
b:shutup

angellicdeity

OneBeer - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hey guys

Heres two SS of my build (on the left). I am 2s G15 +10 TT Nirvana Fist / Sling combo on my archer. I belive I do very well in PvE / PvP. Thought I would share with you what I use. Maybe if you give some advice of what you think or any info / comments you would like to leave would be much appreciated

Thanks in advance.

(Attack speed Sling - 1.11 normal / 1.54 Quick shot / 1.54 Sparked)
(Attack speed Fist - 4.0 normal / 5.0 Beserker / 5.0 Sparked)


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1123-45-10-1.jpg


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1123-44-20-1.jpg

Farm your rank 9. Slingshots aren't as useful as purge-bows.

Your APS armor will get ripped through in TW. Its commendable you have 11K HP, but 11K HP with no way to reduce 93 attack levels isn't going to help you.

APS for bows no longer matters anymore - its about achieving the highest DPH with decent DPS. You'll use your claws to farm making slingshots incredibly useless as a PvE tool. As a PvP tool, slingshots have nothing on the rank 9 or even G15 bows with Spirits Blackhole.

Fleuri - Sanctuary

angellicdeity wrote: »

Farm your rank 9. Slingshots aren't as useful as purge-bows.

Your APS armor will get ripped through in TW. Its commendable you have 11K HP, but 11K HP with no way to reduce 93 attack levels isn't going to help you.

APS for bows no longer matters anymore - its about achieving the highest DPH with decent DPS. You'll use your claws to farm making slingshots incredibly useless as a PvE tool. As a PvP tool, slingshots have nothing on the rank 9 or even G15 bows with Spirits Blackhole.

I find myself not convinced by your point of view.

For example, using stun on an interval slingshot? That will reduce 93 attack levels. I am not sure how much it will reduce it, but it will be reduced.

And, he has 11k hp without any barb buff, which means that with barb buff he will have over 15k health even if his barb buff was only level 10. That will be enough to avoid most one-hit kills, which opens other possibilities.

Ok, yes, R9 is nice, and purges are nice, and attack and defense levels are nice. But it does not sound like your advice was based on experience.

Heartstone - Dreamweaver

low defences and 0 def lvl. the high hp only give big charm cost in tw.
he's actually kinda squishy if you ask me.

his dmg is lower then r9 yes.. but it's not that bad cos he's 1.11 aps.

Chickpea - Lost City

How is he gonna get R9? No way to get Medals anymore unless you feel like paying 100 mil each. He cant sell those weapons either - they are bound.

The Sling is cool and very unique, but regular stun never ever procs in PvP unless you Barrage on 30 people. Maybe if he would re-cast it for adv stun? Also the interval is not that amazing, just compare it to R8 and R9 bow they have -0.71 attack speed and the sling has -0.74. Really sucks that G15 NV only gets -0.05 adds

I also doubt 12-15k attack is enough to kill someone in full rank9. Even if QS procs and you hit -1.54 aps you will tickle since you dont have the attack levels to break through their defense lvls.

Those fists are really awesome though. Go +12 them and make a BM on same account b:chuckle

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Chickpea - Lost City wrote: »

Really sucks that G15 NV only gets -0.05 adds

Actually, no it doesn't.

You'd either have it as a unique add-on, like the OHT gear, which would mean no procs on the weapon if you wanted it.

That or you'd risk having weapons with double -0.1, which would kinda be imbalanced.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

I'm not sure if those fists are worth the cost of dex considering you have a sin on the same account for farming. If you are using them in PVP you're most likely unsparked so maybe rerolling those until you get a -int for 5.0 unsparked? I'm not sure how much you can rely on berserk procing. Accuracy and vit aren't great adds really.

Your HP is good but your defense is low and you have 0 defense level. With HP that high you'd benefit a lot from shoring up your defenses so refine those ornaments. Also +10 on a weapon is not really anything special any more. Go for +11/+12 next orb sale.

KedgeSniper - Lost City

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually, no it doesn't.

You'd either have it as a unique add-on, like the OHT gear, which would mean no procs on the weapon if you wanted it.

That or you'd risk having weapons with double -0.1, which would kinda be imbalanced.

No you dont get -0.1, 2nd cast nirvana doesnt have -0.1 only .05 .

Only way to get .1 is if you get double .05 which is possible, cause i had it.

Slingshot is actually good in pk. I had rather go for seal than stun though..

Olbaze - Sanctuary

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

No you dont get -0.1, 2nd cast nirvana doesnt have -0.1 only .05 .

Only way to get .1 is if you get double .05 which is possible, cause i had it.

Slingshot is actually good in pk. I had rather go for seal than stun though..

You should read what I quoted.

I was simply describing what would happen if you could get -0.1 directly on Nirvana.

angellicdeity

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

I find myself not convinced by your point of view.

For example, using stun on an interval slingshot? That will reduce 93 attack levels. I am not sure how much it will reduce it, but it will be reduced.

And, he has 11k hp without any barb buff, which means that with barb buff he will have over 15k health even if his barb buff was only level 10. That will be enough to avoid most one-hit kills, which opens other possibilities.

Ok, yes, R9 is nice, and purges are nice, and attack and defense levels are nice. But it does not sound like your advice was based on experience.

I dont know who you play against, but 15K HP isn't enough to any 1-hit kills in TW. +10 Rank 8 mages will easily drop 20K damage from an ulti on an Unjaded archer. Nevermind the Rank 9's with 93 attack levels. Rank 9 archers will drop 3+ hits of over 8K damage with his defenses, even more once purged. Full Rank 9 sins will crit-zerk for over 15K easily. Rank 9 Wizards/Psychics/Veno's will tear apart 15K hp like nothing considering how low archer mdef is.





Also that Stun proc is nowhere near the proc rate of the rank 9 purges and rank 9 god of frenzy's. He has first stage stun which makes it useless because your not going to have more than 4 seconds to hit someone in TW.

Assuming you open with a stun granting yourself 3 seconds, its very unlikely that it will proc right after, if it procs during its completely useless as stuns don't stack.



If this had been 1 or 2 years ago the idea of having APS on an Archer for TW/PK/PvP would've been good. Ever since cheap dragon orbs and cheap rank gear were released its without question Damage per Hit. With all the highly refined and sharded gear around, its without question that Advanced Purge is what an archer needs to remain competitive.

With those other 60-70+ def levelled characters out there, if you don't debuff them you'll surely die.

eyehaveyou

why does every1 think that there is only rank 9 on the battlefield in tw or open world?in the last 11 tws i had there were like 10 or 15 in rank 9 but not whole fac.
i really wonder if some post based on experience.

his hp is good even if a rank 8 +10 wizzy comes a long, he would prolly drop the wizzy dead before wizzy can cast his ulti. If he meets a r9 in tw, he propably is not alone. id say his dmg output is pretty nice too. even if +10 is pretty common now, +10 does still pretty much to weapons. i know +12 do a lot more, but is not necessary.

i am nowhere near the OP's equip and i still do good dmg in tw and am able to kill a lot in tw and open world.
anyways, if u have the chance to get rank 9, then get it. its prolly the best you can do.

Fleuri - Sanctuary

angellicdeity wrote: »

I dont know who you play against, but 15K HP isn't enough to any 1-hit kills in TW. +10 Rank 8 mages will easily drop 20K damage from an ulti on an Unjaded archer. Nevermind the Rank 9's with 93 attack levels. Rank 9 archers will drop 3+ hits of over 8K damage with his defenses, even more once purged. Full Rank 9 sins will crit-zerk for over 15K easily. Rank 9 Wizards/Psychics/Veno's will tear apart 15K hp like nothing considering how low archer mdef is.


Also that Stun proc is nowhere near the proc rate of the rank 9 purges and rank 9 god of frenzy's. He has first stage stun which makes it useless because your not going to have more than 4 seconds to hit someone in TW.

Assuming you open with a stun granting yourself 3 seconds, its very unlikely that it will proc right after, if it procs during its completely useless as stuns don't stack.

Omg, I do not know where to start here... I think I will just hit a few easy examples.

So, ok, first off, I'm really not sure how 8k crits can one-hit someone with 11k unbuffed health. And note also that his defenses were unbuffed, so purge would not increase damage. I will agree, of course, that that kind of damage is a threat.

Second, I think it's really too bad that you apparently skipped the quests which told you how to deal with that 20k rank 8 attack. Or maybe you just did not pay attention when you are doing them? I am not sure here.

Third, I believe I said "That will be enough to avoid most one-hit kills, which opens other possibilities." and I did not say "would avoid all one-hit kills" and I did not say that this in and of itself would make his character work well.

In other words, my original point was that it might be possible to do something useful, maybe even in a target-rich TW, with that character and that gear. I had not thought things through well enough to say for sure if that sort of thing was possible, but I could also see that your comments on reasons it was impossible were not thought out well, either.

And while it's entirely possible that you have some worthwhile gems buried in the... stuff you wrote here... while that is entirely possible, it's also true that some of the things you wrote here just show that you were not paying attention to the subject you were discussing.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

ijs most of my crits on archers are over 15k so without defense lvls, or damn good mdef orns. he will still be an easy target in tw.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

eyehaveyou wrote: »

why does every1 think that there is only rank 9 on the battlefield in tw or open world?in the last 11 tws i had there were like 10 or 15 in rank 9 but not whole fac.
i really wonder if some post based on experience.

his hp is good even if a rank 8 +10 wizzy comes a long, he would prolly drop the wizzy dead before wizzy can cast his ulti. If he meets a r9 in tw, he propably is not alone. id say his dmg output is pretty nice too. even if +10 is pretty common now, +10 does still pretty much to weapons. i know +12 do a lot more, but is not necessary.

i am nowhere near the OP's equip and i still do good dmg in tw and am able to kill a lot in tw and open world.
anyways, if u have the chance to get rank 9, then get it. its prolly the best you can do.

i've seen archers with more hp and phys mag def one shoted by rank 8 +10's on a pretty common basis

BT hurts

Fleuri - Sanctuary

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

ijs most of my crits on archers are over 15k so
without defense lvls, or damn good mdef orns. he will still be an easy target in tw.

Nevertheless, there are other things your targets could be doing, that you did not mention here (but which have been discussed repeatedly in these forums), to survive being taken by surprise like that.

Though, granted, you have a good chance of defeating that mechanism with undine strike (if you are targeting that person specifically), and there are also other things you could be doing... but some of those things would also increase your risk of not being able to get a crit with black ice dragon, blade tempest, or whatever, and other variations on that theme require completely different survival mechanisms on the part of your victim.

But I do not enjoy talking to myself in public, so I will shut up now.

RedsRose - Lost City

HP means nothing if you have no defenses, still a relatively easy kill...Like Asty said, you need to work on that in my opinion b:surrender

R9 eh...Yeah people think that is the only way to go but at the moment virtually not possible.

Vicarcher - Heavens Tear

if you rele wanna have that much hp and refs might as well roll a beasty +ed magic class and then just learn your class for a nuker or a BM with good reffs acct stash your gear and i got zerk critted 22,356 by _U_Wish_ drakon r9 sin

Yulk_owns - Lost City

OneBeer - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hey guys

Heres two SS of my build (on the left). I am 2s G15 +10 TT Nirvana Fist / Sling combo on my archer. I belive I do very well in PvE / PvP. Thought I would share with you what I use. Maybe if you give some advice of what you think or any info / comments you would like to leave would be much appreciated

Thanks in advance.

(Attack speed Sling - 1.11 normal / 1.54 Quick shot / 1.54 Sparked)
(Attack speed Fist - 4.0 normal / 5.0 Beserker / 5.0 Sparked)


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1123-45-10-1.jpg


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-05-1123-44-20-1.jpg

I have to say, 1.54 APS SPARK is slightly higher than fists without -int, blah, where's the GX on that? Way better.

As for berserk fist... Even worse. Sorry, not worth cutting your overall defenses in half for the DPS.