Pdef VS Mdef.

Bellefleurs - Raging Tide

I'm looking to make a cube neck and i've just about got enough stones for the Jungle Ruins belt. Tell me, what is better for archer.

Pdef or mdef.

I know there's probably a post about this already, but gosh, so many trolls its hard to keep focused when looking.

b:bye

Joshcja - Sanctuary

both

10char

lizrau

Whatever you're low on atm, get that defense.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Most people who go after archers are BMs, sins, nixes, and archers so get pdef.
Learn to use magic defense charms for casters. Those charms are alot more effective than phys defense charms.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Most people who go after archers are BMs, sins, nixes, and archers so get pdef.
Learn to use magic defense charms for casters. Those charms are alot more effective than phys defense charms.

Makes a lot of sense.

What level Apo is required for the MDef charms? Edit: And, I just remembered, they graduate up like the phys attack charms, nevermind lol...

KedgeSniper - Lost City

I prefer mix belt/neck. I just find that LA is horrible in stats compare to HA or AA is easy for them to decide which one they need, but LA is just "decent" in both aspects.

I got pdef neck/magic belt.

FrozenPhire - Lost City

pdef ............

Fiorrello_ - Raging Tide

i would rather be very good at something and terrible at another
then simply meh at both.

that is why you choose to play an archer afterall, great damage dealers but made of glass.

if you want to go for pvp then go ahead and cover your bases with physical defense. if you want to be a good pve player then get magic defense since the only mobs who will hit you anyway will do so with magic attacks.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Fiorrello_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

i would rather be very good at something and terrible at another
then simply meh at both.

that is why you choose to play an archer afterall, great damage dealers but made of glass.

if you want to go for pvp then go ahead and cover your bases with physical defense. if you want to be a good pve player then get magic defense since the only mobs who will hit you anyway will do so with magic attacks.

I'd rather be able to switch on the fly between being fantastic at either.

Hence, I have PDef and MDef ornaments, for both my Sin and Archer.

So, if I'm in a situation where I need more MDef, I switch to MDef ornaments. If I need PDef, I can switch to those. If I need a mix, I can get about an even match between PDef and MDef, works well for, say, an even 50/50 mixed physical/magical AOE.

So... I like flexibility. And having 2 ornaments in inventory doesn't take much space... My BM runs around with a set of HA equipped, and a complete set of LA in inventory, and if I'm doing magic only mobs, I'll switch to LA and use marrow magical.

Archer has a bit more PDef than MDef, even with 'balanced' ornaments, due to sharding... So I usually use MDef ornaments to boost MDef if there's any kind of magic damage afoot. In TW, if there's a Veno around, I'll use the PDef ornaments, simply since they're gonna send their nix after me if they have one, and it sorta helps a little, but not really. I seem to take more physical damage and survive in TW, whereas magical damage is usually 2-4X my max HP anyway, so a few points isn't gonna save my butt in MDef.

Quilue - Sanctuary

In my experiences well-geared mages will do a lot of damage, and some orn is not going to stop them.

I mean mages one shot each other with magic, let alone archers. It's best to spam mdef charms and just put on pdef orns like Ast said because typically ranged physical attackers won't have as much raw damage as ranged magical attackers.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Well physical attacks come as a stream of hits while magic attacks come in as occasional nukes. There aren't many physical nukes in the game and phys defense charms aren't effective against a stream of damage. You need pdef.

Mag defense charms work wonders against occasional magic nukes since you can only get hit by those like every 2 or 3 seconds.

truekossy

I carry both around if for if I know what I'm up against ahead of time.

However in a more chaotic situation, phys defense all the way. All those classes that love getting close to you? Phys. All those classes that can attack very rapidly rendering defense harms useless? Phys. That class that can run up to you while invisible and get in that important first strike with absolutely nothing you can do about it? Phys.

Magic can be countered far more easily with defense charms. Physical attacks, on the other hand? Good luck with that.

Ubique - Raging Tide

As the most of the others have said i figured the best way to go was P DEf belt and neck as most 'defensible' attacks in TW i find come in the shape of your melee BMs, Sins etc so i figured to make myself stronger in that area. If targeted by a Caster i wil try to use apoth to defend against that attack

Just an opinion hope it helps

Ubi

Hhlolz - Harshlands

1 pdef accessoire, 1mdef accessoire, 2 phys rings is best
not more not lessb:bye

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

On this subject...

If you activate a MDef charm while soulburned, does that soulburn you?

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

I got a m.def Cube because I'm planning on +10ing my lunar ring

Troller - Sanctuary

I prefer m.def, a lot of AoE bosses attack everyone with magic, but it's always good to bring a few p.def as well.

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Troller - Sanctuary wrote: »

I prefer m.def, a lot of AoE bosses attack everyone with magic, but it's always good to bring a few p.def as well.

Demon_EA?

Troller - Sanctuary

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Demon_EA?

I don't quite understand, if you are asking if I'm a player named Demon_EA, then sorry, no I'm not.

TigerLily - Lost City

Since 60% of most server populations are assassins you should stack phy def. Getting a mag def belt to help against those 10 people that still plays wizards seems kinda wasteful b:chuckle.

Its really only in TW i would pick a mag def belt or a phy def one. Than you cant really control all the incoming magic dmg with defense charms.

Psychics and wizards hits really hard anyway. Having 4-8% more mag resists (depending on refine) is not gonna help much when a R9 wiz or psy nukes you. Better of with shield, WoG and def charms against casters, than get phy ornaments for all the billions of Sins and BMs out there. You cant use phy def charms against APS build classes either.

For PvE you mostly use HH99 ornaments for interval anyway. Dont even know when you would need a mag def belt in pve, its not like archers range tank bosses anymore. Kinda stupid getting a piece of gear worth 60-80 mil just to grind magic mobs <_<

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Do both! The R9 belt is half elemental half phys.

Dezto - Harshlands

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Do both! The R9 belt is half elemental half phys.

R9 belt + cube neck.

M. def belt tends to give a more balanced build while p. def is a bit skewed with about 9% more p.def fully buffed.

M.def = http://pwcalc.com/70c427d244456d9b
P.def = http://pwcalc.com/f7eb2fc554fe9a61

But like someone pointed out in this thread physical damage tends to come in bursts (fists, daggers or even other EA's) while magic damage comes in big hits.

So my question is: R9 belt + what kind of cube neck, M.def or p.def?

angellicdeity

Dezto - Harshlands wrote: »

R9 belt + cube neck.

M. def belt tends to give a more balanced build while p. def is a bit skewed with about 9% more p.def fully buffed.

M.def = http://pwcalc.com/70c427d244456d9b
P.def = http://pwcalc.com/f7eb2fc554fe9a61

But like someone pointed out in this thread physical damage tends to come in bursts (fists, daggers or even other EA's) while magic damage comes in big hits.

So my question is: R9 belt + what kind of cube neck, M.def or p.def?

P.Def


No degree of extra M.Def will save you from the rank 9 Psychics and Wizards. When they Nuke they'll Nuke for 20K+. Unless you magically have more than 18,400 HP, extra M.Def really isn't going to save you. The only reasons BM's and Barbs use Magic Ornaments is because of Marrow for BM's, and HP for Barbs.


On the other hand, the extra P.Def might let you survive 1 or 2 more hits from an assassin or P.Attack class. Giving you time to counter.