Wizards? Should I make one?

Fiorrello_ - Raging Tide

Chardenelle - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Is it worth it to invest time and money into a Wizard? I started playing the class a few days ago for fun after getting bored with my main character.
It was pretty fun. I think I'd enjoy playing a Wizard for a while, but are Wizards still useful? I don't really have a lot of money to invest in a Wizard, but I'd enjoy playing one.
I've heard that Wizards become dead endgame, but I'd like to confirm this. b:sad

the other day i saw a squad of three wizards playing near bh29, i squaded with a fellow wizard in bh51

when i was playing cleric i asked for some dd's and the first person to respond was a wizard. i like randomly buffing people as a cleric, the people i buffed the most where wizards and seekers yesterday.

Our time is coming, we cannot be stopped, soon the time of the wizard will be upon us and all shall know and fear us. we are a magical army of wizardry and death, cold and emotionless, we carry out our tasks without a conscience.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

Fiorrello_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

the other day i saw a squad of three wizards playing near bh29, i squaded with a fellow wizard in bh51

when i was playing cleric i asked for some dd's and the first person to respond was a wizard. i like randomly buffing people as a cleric, the people i buffed the most where wizards and seekers yesterday.

Our time is coming, we cannot be stopped, soon the time of the wizard will be upon us and all shall know and fear us. we are a magical army of wizardry and death, cold and emotionless, we carry out our tasks without a conscience.

go get some fresh air man

Cristalwhite - Harshlands

well, i would advice every newbie to start with a veno or mystic and lvl it at least to 85.
after that you have a class which can do some bosses alone and can get easiely money.

As a lvl 100 wizard i can say:
skills are not that cheap but i dont have a comparsion to other high lvl classes.
i am 100 and my 2 spark aoe skills are still lvl 5 because they are expensive.
but it is true that later the weapon will be more expensive than the skills.

as a newbie who had no idea how to get money, it was pretty hard to keep up the skills.
especially which skills schould be lvled and which not.
wizards depend heavily on the skills which they have and you need to think about them
befor you start lvl the skills. thats why i would not recomend to start with a wizard.

for example a veno dont really need the skills untill lvl 85.
just using the pet and healing it is enough.
this means also that it is pretty cheap to push a veno high.
ofc you need to put alot of money in veno to become engame and pvp-able,
but it is easy to get money as veno.

and it is not true that a wizard dont need pots.
we need tons of mana pots.
i recomend the mana recovery remedies from the apothecary.

i am not sure about surviveability of wizard since my gear is always outdated and i was a noob for a long time. so maybe they are good if you get good gear.

At this moment i can say.

• wizard dont stand a chance agains Assassins.
  I dunno what the wizard in the video did, it lookt like he ate tons of hp pots, but in a real pvp they pop out of stealth, stun you and kill you. there is nothing you can do.
• i have no clue how to fight psys. it always feels like killing myself on them
• barbs are hard to fight because they survive your shots very long and he hit you hard.
• bms will just stun you and kill you. the only chance you have is to do the first shots.
• rank 9 venos oneshot me without a pet. so to have a chance you need to be the first hitter
• clerics and archer are same as venos i think.
• mystic can one shot me too
• not sure about seeker
  
  
• nobody need wizard in nirvana, the big money makeing machine in the game
• every aps sin or bm will do a better job in tt or lunar than you as a wizard.
• gv and warsong seems to be a good place for wizards. but better you have some nice gear befor....you will end up tanking some mobs.
  
• as a wizard i couldnt solo bh 29 for a long time, but i didnt tried it again after lvl 95.
• i think i can solo bh 39 but bh51 still **** me.
  

in summary i would say, a wizard have to think about everything he do.
in squad mode he must avoid aggro, in the world he must find a own way to make money.

I dont like wizard much but its my only high lvl char and it would be stupid to stop it.
i prefer the spell animation of mystics and psychs. which means for me, they are more fun to play than wizard. the only advantages of wizard is the aoe but seeker and bm do it better and if you aoe you may die pretty fast.

at this moment its kinda pain to be a wizard. i feel useless in most instances.
aps do the job better and faster. i am also very slow which means when i arrive to the battle the battle is almost done. my gear is **** because i cant affort better ones.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

when most of the classes one shot you, its time for better gear.

Imo sins arent that hard for me to kill. They are horribly broken but with decent hp/pdef i survive long enough to kill your average 4-5aps sin (<+7 weap).

Although, does anyone ahve a useful strategy for killing pyschics when they attack first. I mean like equal geared psys always hit me harder then i hit htem and i get sealed from soulforce quite often. Elemental shell helps me out somewhat, but so far my only good strategy is to holy path away from them after the intial stun, then come back and just undine+seal+bt and hope to one shot or crit and one shto them.

Fistol - Raging Tide

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

well, i would advice every newbie to start with a veno or mystic and lvl it at least to 85.
after that you have a class which can do some bosses alone and can get easiely money.

get a sin lvl it to 100.. best money making machine ever. b:pleased
agree about veno being cheap to lvl and if you can get to 100.. veno get ask to nirvana more than wizard.
so it isnt wrong too.

you sound like you have a very bad experience leveling wizard as your main.
and you sound like you didnt even spend a single dime on pwi either.

Spend 10 bucks and donate to pwi charity and sell the gold in AH now.. will probably get yours skills to decent level and make life way easier.

- channel items are dirt cheap on RT, not sure if its the same for other server.

those -3% stuff make wizard life way easier, might want to consider some.

Menarin - Dreamweaver

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

well, i would advice every newbie to start with a veno or mystic and lvl it at least to 85.

^This I NEVER recommend. People used to complain all the time when it was just Venos running around everywhere about how the other classes are dead, then it was sins, now its mystics AND sins. What we DON'T need is more of the same classes.

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

i am 100 and my 2 spark aoe skills are still lvl 5 because they are expensive. but it is true that later the weapon will be more expensive than the skills.

^I'm level 96 and all four of my ulti's (BIDS/BT/MS/DB) are maxed out and I have most of my sage skills already. It's really not that difficult. At level 89 you open up heaven/hell and can sell hell mats/herbs for a decent price. There is no excuse for not having good skills past 90.

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

as a newbie who had no idea how to get money, it was pretty hard to keep up the skills. especially which skills schould be lvled and which not. wizards depend heavily on the skills which they have and you need to think about them before you start lvl the skills. thats why i would not recomend to start with a wizard.

^This is what guides are for, you can find them here: Wizard PwPedia

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

i recomend the mana recovery remedies from the apothecary.

Apothecary can help for early levels and at lvl 75 you can use herb yuanxiao's which are vastly more effective, especially since it stacks with apoth items (Arctic orbs are a good combo with yuan's when you first revive with no mp charm, 14kmp over 30secs).

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

i am not sure about surviveability of wizard since my gear is always outdated and i was a noob for a long time. so maybe they are good if you get good gear.

Glycerin a lvl 101 wizard in my faction has over 8k phys def and 11k mag def SELF BUFFED.
Wizards are by far the best defensive class in the game.
Gly's PvE gear

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

I dont like wizard much but its my only high lvl char and it would be stupid to stop it.

the only advantages of wizard is the aoe but seeker and bm do it better and if you aoe you may die pretty fast.

at this moment its kinda pain to be a wizard. i feel useless in most instances.
i am also very slow which means when i arrive to the battle the battle is almost done. my gear is **** because i cant affort better ones.

• If you don't like your class, don't play it. Makes no sense.
  
• Seeker AoE hits more often and when combined with their phys def is a better alternative to Wizard's DB, but post 100 with good gear it doesn't really matter. You should kill things in 3-5 seconds. ijs
• Holy path? Apoth speed items? Boots with speed adds?
• Spend time farming and selling? it's really not that hard, my 10 yr old niece could do it, so can you.

Edited: checking my grammar Q_Q

Toliman - Raging Tide

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

At this moment i can say.

...
• as a wizard i couldnt solo bh 29 for a long time, but i didnt tried it again after lvl 95.
• i think i can solo bh 39 but bh51 still **** me.

Here build, which once had my Wizard:
http://pwcalc.com/?char=f207d224755295eb.

At level 70 he had been able:

I tanked all bosses at bh59 (many times), Rankar and Fushma at bh51, Pyro at bh69 (I don't like to pay fee, so those bh69 was without wine), Yan the Traitor (http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/20809) (I can even kill him solo, but it will be too long - more than 30 min.).

These are recent only.

I do bh29 (solo) from time to time to help players, kill Dismal Shade from time to time (solo) to help players ...

My Wizard style is (and was) Free to Play.

But high levels are boring for me.

Each new level cost more and more time and coins to be at proper condition for Wizard.

And in solo game Wizard classes require less time and have more quests than in current MMO game.

Fistol - Raging Tide

For a normal wizard at lvl 70,

Qingzi shouldnt be a problem already. its has only 336k hp

@toil

Does Rankar do only range attack when wizard is tanking it?
Have you tried Wyvern ?

Toliman - Raging Tide

Fistol - Raging Tide wrote: »

@toil

Does Rankar do only range attack when wizard is tanking it?

No, Rankar do both AOE and physical.

No problem for Wizard.

Fistol - Raging Tide wrote: »

...
Have you tried Wyvern ?

Yes, but Wyvern do great physical def. debuff, this is why it is so hard to tank.

Menarin - Dreamweaver

Fistol - Raging Tide wrote: »

For a normal wizard at lvl 70,

Qingzi shouldnt be a problem already. its has only 336k hp

@toil

Does Rankar do only range attack when wizard is tanking it?
Have you tried Wyvern ?

Heres a part from my fb guide that I can't host on this site for w/e reason b:surrender but anyways:

Rankar - Ferocious Ironskin

Level: 53
HP: 565, 243
Close Range: Physical Melee Attack
Medium Range: Powerful Physical AoE
Distance Attack: Fire AoE
Can Drop:

Mold: Gale Dual Hammers
Mold: Helmet of Lion Spirit
Mold: Demon Panther Ring


The Myriadtail Wyvern

Level: 54
HP: 585, 911
Close Range: Physical Melee Attack
Short Range: Magical Attack (usually cast once)
Debuff: Amplify Damage Debuff
Distance Attack: Physical AoE (24)
Can Drop:

Mold: Mystical Realm Pendant
Mold: Annihilator of Souls
Mold: Pants of Dragon Scales
Mold: Necklace of the Legion

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver

Menarin - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Heres a part from my fb guide that I can't host on this site for w/e reason b:surrender but anyways:

Rankar - Ferocious Ironskin

Level: 53
HP: 565, 243
Close Range: Physical Melee Attack
Medium Range: Powerful Physical AoE
Distance Attack: Fire AoE
Can Drop:

Mold: Gale Dual Hammers
Mold: Helmet of Lion Spirit
Mold: Demon Panther Ring


The Myriadtail Wyvern

Level: 54
HP: 585, 911
Close Range: Physical Melee Attack
Short Range: Magical Attack (usually cast once)
Debuff: Amplify Damage Debuff
Distance Attack: Physical AoE (24)
Can Drop:

Mold: Mystical Realm Pendant
Mold: Annihilator of Souls
Mold: Pants of Dragon Scales
Mold: Necklace of the Legion

Both above bosses fight with Wizard in close range, as I mentioned above (see Toliman's post). Amplify Damage Debuff ... may be. Had not time to check it.

It is useful information though.

Menarin - Dreamweaver

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Both above bosses fight with Wizard in close range, as I mentioned above (see Toliman's post). Amplify Damage Debuff ... may be. Had not time to check it.

It is useful information though.

Trust me, it's right. But if you do "test it", I'd recommend not getting too close otherwise wyverns Phys AoE will kill you when the amp is on you.

Fistol - Raging Tide

Menarin - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Trust me, it's right. But if you do "test it", I'd recommend not getting too close otherwise wyverns Phys AoE will kill you when the amp is on you.

any idea how much phy def it minus?

i got 14k phy defence. b:chuckleb:chuckle

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver

Fistol - Raging Tide wrote: »

any idea how much phy def it minus?

i got 14k phy defence. b:chuckleb:chuckle

PWIWiki wrote:

Myriadtail Wyvern

Myriadtail Wyvern (Level 54) fire element boss who has long ranged magic attack, physical attack, an Amplify Damage debuff, and an AoE that is approximately 24 meters. It appears to hit primarily to the front, but will hit nearby attackers all around. To all ranged classes, be sure to keep as far away as 24 meters from Myriadtail Wyvern's AoE. Myriadtail Wyvern has two wraith mobs standing next to him on each side. Have a Venomancer's pet pull the two wraiths and take them down. After that, send your tank to Myriadtail Wyvern and commence the attack.

NOTE: Myriadtail Wyvern has an Amplify Damage debuff. So if it's cast on to your tanker, your tanker will take an extra 20% damage when hit. So it's best if your Cleric can cast Purify on the tanker when necessary.

So, if you had taken 300 HP damage (for example), you will take 360 HP damage after debuff (?).

Menarin - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Trust me, it's right. But if you do "test it", I'd recommend not getting too close otherwise wyverns Phys AoE will kill you when the amp is on you.

No need for me now, since my level is more than required for bh51.

Menarin - Dreamweaver

Sorry, sometimes I forget that everyone and their mum plays an alt.

And if you want to calc the dmg for the amp go for it. I'm too busy trying to write the fb89+ parts of my guide atm. I could always use some feedback on dmg percents with debuffs.

nemeritz

Idk why wizards cant't kill sins.... maybe its because the sins i fight suck but here is what i do.

when sins pop out of stealth you expel them then shrink away. then sutra and use w/e nukes you can.b:victory

and try to use MS at the end of sutra if u got chi

Arenaceous - Lost City

nemeritz wrote: »

Idk why wizards cant't kill sins.... maybe its because the sins i fight suck but here is what i do.

when sins pop out of stealth you expel them then shrink away. then sutra and use w/e nukes you can.b:victory

and try to use MS at the end of sutra if u got chi

Yes, the sins you fight suck. If they got the Buff filter in PK settings activated you cannot expel them... GG.

Menarin - Dreamweaver

nemeritz wrote: »

Idk why wizards cant't kill sins.... maybe its because the sins i fight suck but here is what i do.

when sins pop out of stealth you expel them then shrink away. then sutra and use w/e nukes you can.b:victory

and try to use MS at the end of sutra if u got chi

I can say for a fact the sins you fight are awful.
When I duel rank 8 (+10) sins here's what I do:

AD->sin out of stealth->SW->FW->US->Sutra->gush->pyro->gush.

Or

AD->sin not out of stealth->die

Very drastic I know b:chuckle

HardToThink - Lost City

nemeritz wrote: »

Idk why wizards cant't kill sins.... maybe its because the sins i fight suck but here is what i do.

when sins pop out of stealth you expel them then shrink away. then sutra and use w/e nukes you can.b:victory

and try to use MS at the end of sutra if u got chi

No. /5chars

varenique

b:shocked

Mortal_Kiss - Heavens Tear

nemeritz wrote: »

Idk why wizards cant't kill sins.... maybe its because the sins i fight suck but here is what i do.

when sins pop out of stealth you expel them then shrink away. then sutra and use w/e nukes you can.b:victory

and try to use MS at the end of sutra if u got chi

Yea sure. :-)

Angelstealth - Harshlands

ofc u should make one. if u posted on here that must mean that u have the curiosity that may lead u to creating one. i would say give it a shot cuz they r pretty fun to use.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

when someone says wizards are not good 1 vs 1, i act like they suck and im pro based on videos of me farming noobs and downing an uncharmed bm, but in every other instance I am forced to admit that wizards are merely "just fine" against the other classes and have less than a 1% chance against all but a brain dead sin - and I am just one of the lost city wizards that are NEVER at west gate for more than 5 minutes a week, if that, but yea, i'm real pro, take my word for it - now let me get back to tw in my op faction where i stand behind a +12 nirvana army and launch 1 ulti every 5 minutes against non-factors and post those videos too

Fixed it for you.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

Although, does anyone ahve a useful strategy for killing pyschics when they attack first. I mean like equal geared psys always hit me harder then i hit htem and i get sealed from soulforce quite often. Elemental shell helps me out somewhat . . . .

Elemental shell only helps somewhat? What? C'mon, Adroit says your fail if you don't recognize that elemental shell is INCREDIBLY useful against psychics. Just because you can't time it right so the bigger hits all land in the 4 second duration? That just means you must be fail noob. Adroit says so, so it must be true, right? Right Adroit?

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

but so far my only good strategy is to holy path away from them after the intial stun, then come back and just undine+seal+bt and hope to one shot or crit and one shto them.

Thats kinda the right idea - if you tick, kite for 5 seconds and set up that undine FoW BT when they are in white voodoo - sometimes i try to use fortify when i come back at if I know their stun is on cooldown - they predictably use that first.

Most psychics actually aren't a problem for me on my server. There is was one that was just very very good at switching between voodoos, somewhat average gear but sharded with tigers - but he doesn't play anymore. There is another that rerolled from a full nirvana cleric to a psychic, +12 rank 8 that takes like 7 damage from my base magic attack, lol. But luckily, we are friends so we don't really pk each other outside of tw.

Other than that, most of the psychics on my server that pk alot have had me outgeared but still haven't been a problem. But yea, BT is really our best if not only practical option against them. One psychic +12 lunar weapon that I killed 8 times in a row giving him first hit each time was raging at me that "all you can do is that blade tempest thingy, without that, you couldn't kill me". I admit, he is probably right. His point? I have no idea. I suppose I shouldn't use bids against HA venos?