Bannable for pking in cube room 20+ ?

BigPunisher - Sanctuary

Hey guys,

My wife and I play on a PVE server. My wife recently got banned for pking people in cube of fate room 20+.

I've never heard of people getting banned for pking in cube, except for room 1. The reason she got banned was "prevent other players from completing their quests".

Why were some of the rooms in cube of fate, except room 1, were made to be pkable if you would banned for doing it?

Can someone please clarify this?

Thanks.

b:thanks

The__Sun - Dreamweaver

I think Frankie had a post saying himself it wasn't bannable. Was she just sitting in one room for hours doing it? Because just passing by in the room and killing someone isn't, but camping the spawn or something might be another story.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1061791

read the last sentence here

MistaBwanden - Sanctuary

All I know is, if you kill in room 1, or past the time limit in bored rooms, it can get you banned.
Apart from that, I'd like a reasonable answer as well.

BigPunisher - Sanctuary

Well, if you get room 32, 35, 32, 35, 32, 35, and 32. Does that count as camping room 32? I think that was possibly the case with my wife. b:angry

Kinda ridiculous!!

Ruvil - Sanctuary

From GM (Frankie) same thread thats linked above

"Just to be clear, PK in any other room (besides room 1) of the Cube is fine "

... >_>

uhm... PWE needs to hire some ppl who actually actively play the game, if they already do then someone needs to be fired.

/end QQ

The__Sun - Dreamweaver

yeah should have only been a warning or something at most. Definately not a ban.

vodka333

since is pk area should be fine to pk... never heard of ban in such case seems a gm abuse or something..why is pk area then if is not ok to pk?b:surrender

The__Sun - Dreamweaver

how long is/was the ban for btw?

BunnyGRDN - Sanctuary

If you're scared of being pk'd, don't do cube. It's pk enabled, so pk is a part of the cube experience. If you do cube, then don't QQ about being pk'd. Simple as that.

GMs, hope you can give a fair judgment on complaints and not look at who charges more gold.

Jeremied - Sanctuary

Rofl next they'll be banning people for pking in those rooms that you HAVE to kill someone to pass through XD

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

PK can be bannable if it is a part of harassment but I wouldn't think that would apply in cube...

Harassment isn't really well defined though.

Jeremied - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

PK can be bannable if it is a part of harassment but I wouldn't think that would apply in cube...

Harassment isn't really well defined though.

Especially the rooms 20+ where the chance of running into someone more than once is rare unless OP's wife was camping. It could be that the one that reported the OP's wife took their damage log and superimposed it over several different images of the chat box to convince the GM that they were being grief'd. BUT that's the only case where I could see it being someone's fault other than the GMs.

IMO, the ban was unjust and she should ask for a repeal if it's more than a days ban or so.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

We need GMs that actually communicate with each other and aren't complete morons.


This is INCREDIBLY common. One GM will sit there and say something is fine, and then another will ban you for it.


About a year ago I PMed eatwithspoons back when he was still CM. I asked him if PKing in secret passage was bannable. He sat there and told me "pking is not bannable there unless you repeatedly kill someone until it becomes harrassment"

That day I went to SP. Some random 5x walks in. I kill him. I didn't kill him several times. I didn't harrass him. He came in, and I killed him. One time. He says "I report you" and I laugh it off.

The next day I got banned.

Baalbak - Dreamweaver

hope i dont ever get banned for doing rooms 14 and 34 without do-allsb:shutup

RouxLouka - Dreamweaver

Easiest answer probably is the victim was a cash shopper and you're wife was not/as much. Hence, your side loses.

Another possible reason is room 38 if they needed it for culti. I would count it as griefing since the room is rare to get and somewhat difficult as it is.

GdByeElsA - Sanctuary

She asked in World chat today if its okay to pk in cube besides room 1...... looks like she's camping cube to kill people....

People really that desperate to get pk kill nowadays?

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

GdByeElsA - Sanctuary wrote: »

She asked in World chat today if its okay to pk in cube besides room 1...... looks like she's camping cube to kill people....

People really that desperate to get pk kill nowadays?

Yes, they really are

Don't know if thats quite enough information to draw that conclusion though.

Eyeofthtiger - Sanctuary

Lol bweee

ILacy - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

PK can be bannable if it is a part of harassment but I wouldn't think that would apply in cube...

Harassment isn't really well defined though.

Out of comon sense i would say it counts as griefplay if you stop others intentionally from finishing/taking their quests because we are on a PvE server and people are abusing the fact that they can PK whoever they want in pk-enabled-rooms and get their PK kills and their egos boosted that way, its not the first person on our server who would do that - and you know that. There's a reason why i always stealth when i reach such rooms... i just dont want to get dragged into this stuff. The only thing i do is defend when i get attacked and nothing else but that. I am not going to claim that BigPunishers wife "camped" a room intentionally since i dont know what happened right there but as i already said, we had it happen a lot in the past few weeks by a very well known wizard and his minions and i wouldnt be surprised at all if others followed his example.

Just dont pk in rooms where you DONT NEED TO do it and everyone will be fine.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Just dont pk in rooms where you DONT NEED TO do it and everyone will be fine.

No.


Those rooms were made PK enabled to add an additional challenge to cube, and it's needed. As it is, with enough do alls the only way you could possibly die in cube is if someone PKs you.


If I get to the first bored room, and I see someone standing there, I'm definitely going to kill them.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

If you're camping cube for extended periods of time that might be bannable?

I'm not sure about that one.

GdByeElsA - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you're camping cube for extended periods of time that might be bannable?

I'm not sure about that one.

That sounds like "prevent other players from completing their quests"

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver

Hmm you know the only thing i can imagine that she got banned for

1. she actually did pk in room 1 and did lie to you about room 20+ ...to be honest to get banned for something needs few days, so i m not sure if she either forgot that she did pk there or just didnt tell you the truth...

2. she pk in room 20+ and a guy made a screenshot, saying it was room 1. all rooms look same there, especially the corners.

ILacy - Sanctuary

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

No.


Those rooms were made PK enabled to add an additional challenge to cube, and it's needed. As it is, with enough do alls the only way you could possibly die in cube is if someone PKs you.


If I get to the first bored room, and I see someone standing there, I'm definitely going to kill them.

I agree with the point of having a challenge but camping rooms just to gather kills is just wrong. If you think there is not enough PK on Sanctuary then please move to a PvP Server.

All i wanted to say was:

Out of common sense just don't camp in rooms to just to pk people, especially not at the spawn - and if you really need to try to kill someone then give your opponent at least a chance to defend themselves. Always keep in mind that camp-pk in cube rooms gets yourself and even your faction bad reputation.

bladerunnerdm

I dislike getting PK'd in cube in the following cases:

- after spawning into next room
- while killing monsters
- by stealth assassins
- by overpowered people (compared to myself: level/gear)

i've never attacked people in cube without warn them in chat first

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

ILacy - Sanctuary wrote: »

I agree with the point of having a challenge but camping rooms just to gather kills is just wrong. If you think there is not enough PK on Sanctuary then please move to a PvP Server.

All i wanted to say was:

Out of common sense just don't camp in rooms to just to pk people, especially not at the spawn - and if you really need to try to kill someone then give your opponent at least a chance to defend themselves. Always keep in mind that camp-pk in cube rooms gets yourself and even your faction bad reputation.

Who says we're camping, I just kill people that are there when I enter, and people that enter while I'm waiting for the timer.


Although there have been a few times where I kept restarting or getting sent back to a PK enabled room and kept clearing it out.

funantares

I just want to add,
if she got banned,
she isn't probably an "Angel"
I remember her 1 time (im sure she was...sry BigP b:laugh)
i was in room 11, and becouse of a telephone call, had to put down my char
in meditation mode... but i was in fron of the monitor b:angry mind at it!
She went to the room quest NPC probably got his 3 min quest,
and after 2 sec Spark and 1 shot to me.... (in meditation way... nice one).
Now, im not here to judge her, but sry to say, if a pro endgame player
act like this.... it disgusting me.

Btw, i hate to PK becouse is not my game,
when i started PWI, i choose a PVE server for this reason,
and i go to pk (and more often to be pk) only in the 2 rooms that need that for rule.

Now mind this is a PVE server and many ppl want to do cube only for exp or for collect
page of fate for skillz,
in their point of view you're wasting their game.
So why qq if someone have report you for that?
You wanna do the king of PK?
Go play in a PK server...easy and clean.

(Hell, now i know i will be a Vindy target in cube b:surrender)

Where the screenshot button????
peace

HeavensRage - Raging Tide

Incompetence strikes again.

ILacy - Sanctuary

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Who says we're camping, I just kill people that are there when I enter, and people that enter while I'm waiting for the timer.


Although there have been a few times where I kept restarting or getting sent back to a PK enabled room and kept clearing it out.

I just wanted to make clear that there's nothing against "killing because you are bored/waiting for your timer". Just camping is wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.

Samaela - Dreamweaver

funantares wrote: »

Now mind this is a PVE server and many ppl want to do cube only for exp or for collect
page of fate for skillz,
in their point of view you're wasting their game.
So why qq if someone have report you for that?

Because, providing OPs information to be correct, being banned for PKing where she did is not a banable offence. Unless she camps.

It doesn't matter if you think she's wasting your game, when it is allowed to PK there, she has all right to do so needless of what you think about it. I'd QQed as well if someone reported me, and got me banned, for something that isn't a banable offence.

Fleuri - Sanctuary

Samaela - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Because, providing OPs information to be correct, being banned for PKing where she did is not a banable offence. Unless she camps.

I do not think we have enough information to make any reasonable decisions, here.

This could be a mistaken ban, one that should not happen.

She might have been camping, and have killed the same person multiple times over a period of time, and gotten banned for that.

She might have killed someone that she had been stopping in other ways earlier, and gotten banned for that.

Anyways, personally, I think that when they ban someone temporarily, they should be prepared to teach that person how to avoid whatever it was that they got banned for. Otherwise, there would be no point in the ban.