Delta is Broken

endlesstorture
endlesstorture Posts: 4 Arc User
edited April 2011 in General Discussion
Someone always disconnects offline in this game. Quest failed. Delta Fail.
Delta Broken.Alot of things broken. PWI broken since 2008. We still in Beta stage 1
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Delta is and always has been one of the buggiest instances in the game. (And for PWI that means it's up against a lot of stiff competition.) Full delta is probably one of the hardest things to complete in this game, simply because of the huge amount of bugs you'll have to work around.
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  • SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    If somebody disconnects that might not be pwis fault... Just saying.

    The only problem is if the leader disconnects & you're actually doing delta for exp (which is rare & I would guess you weren't) & not chronos, since the exp quest fails then.

    The entry dc bug might be annoying but from personal experience not that often, & no quest fails, unless you weren't careful yourself & started delta quest before checking if all members were inside.
  • Magiere - Dreamweaver
    Magiere - Dreamweaver Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Delta is and always has been one of the buggiest instances in the game.

    Stop saying things like that on the Forum ,given PWI's history if people keep saying things like that - they will simply close the instance -_-

    So shush, dont mention any problems.
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  • endlesstorture
    endlesstorture Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    i need it for my culti quest and to kill sori, and i cant even get to him before someone always disconnects. this is stupid, they need to fix it
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    endlesstorture wrote: »
    i need it for my culti quest and to kill sori, and i cant even get to him before someone always disconnects. this is stupid, they need to fix it

    Someone DCing has NOTHING to do with PWI.

    And it's not really bugs that make Delta hard.
    It's the fact that a)noone knows how to do it anymore(long time ago it was the only way to lvl from 90 up) b) lag can get you 1k'd, and there is no way to get back.
    Fix the 1k stuf (make you have to ress yourself, or add a way to get back in alone), and it won't be such a problem anymore
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Quest also fails if someone leaves squad outside the instance.
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  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Quest also fails if someone leaves squad outside the instance.

    I'm pretty sure this is a false statement. That would be essentially the same thing as a person disconnecting inside the instance (squad is broken). The only times I've had it completely fail were: squad leader gets dc'd, squad leader gets 1k'd, squad leader for some reason decided to shift lead, squad leader tried to reform group on random mode instead of free. Basically.. anything that has to do with the lead of the squad being changed results in a fail.
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Your English is kind of broken as well...
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure this is a false statement. That would be essentially the same thing as a person disconnecting inside the instance (squad is broken). The only times I've had it completely fail were: squad leader gets dc'd, squad leader gets 1k'd, squad leader for some reason decided to shift lead, squad leader tried to reform group on random mode instead of free. Basically.. anything that has to do with the lead of the squad being changed results in a fail.

    Nope I've confimed this, the quest fails for all including the squad lead if someone gets 1ked then bug reports. If someone dcs inside the instance, no problem, but when outside, you all fail. I've seen this happen a dozen of times during the delta spamming days.
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  • Chickpea - Lost City
    Chickpea - Lost City Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    If someone gets kicked at wave 6-8 its still kinda worth it to go outside and bring them back in. Not like it matters if you cant upgrade the auras anymore when you're that far in. Existing buffs should be enough to finish and you do have time to leave and re-enter after a boss dies.

    If someone gets kicked at wave 3 though you might as well restart and yes it sucks that you cant get back in alone :/

    Most annoying is probably when you die in Rebirth and get teleported to Cube of Fate b:chuckle.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Chickpea - Lost City wrote: »
    If someone gets kicked at wave 6-8 its still kinda worth it to go outside and bring them back in. Not like it matters if you cant upgrade the auras anymore when you're that far in. Existing buffs should be enough to finish and you do have time to leave and re-enter after a boss dies.

    If someone gets kicked at wave 3 though you might as well restart and yes it sucks that you cant get back in alone :/

    Most annoying is probably when you die in Rebirth and get teleported to Cube of Fate b:chuckle.

    You don't get the exp upon coming back in anymore though. I remember pre-rt expansion, you used to be able to leave delta and get back in without exp quests failing.
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  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Chickpea - Lost City wrote: »
    Most annoying is probably when you die in Rebirth and get teleported to Cube of Fate b:chuckle.

    this can happen if you are doing the advanced cube to farm the neck and hit room 58 without do-alls then teleport back to the start, and never trash the quest. Die anywhere and get booted to the cube of fate room 1.b:chuckle
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  • Chickpea - Lost City
    Chickpea - Lost City Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Wow that really sucks. Haven't done full Rebirth in a long time on any char, so i didn't know they changed it :( You dont get any Tome Fragments either than i assume.

    I guess you can still leave and pick up people if you're doing Rebirth and everyone needs last bosses for culti. Or does the waves/bosses stop as well if you teleport out and back in now?
  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    once you leave - all quests fail (and leader has to trash aura quests). so no exp/tome frags, but the instance will continue to run so long as harpy doesnt die.
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  • Irdis - Sanctuary
    Irdis - Sanctuary Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Someone DCing has NOTHING to do with PWI.

    And it's not really bugs that make Delta hard.
    It's the fact that a)noone knows how to do it anymore(long time ago it was the only way to lvl from 90 up) b) lag can get you 1k'd, and there is no way to get back.
    Fix the 1k stuf (make you have to ress yourself, or add a way to get back in alone), and it won't be such a problem anymore

    forget about delta, people dk how to run gamma either b:shocked
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Irdis - Sanctuary wrote: »
    forget about delta, people dk how to run gamma either b:shocked

    I remember loooong ago, people talking about lvl speed.
    The question was: how long does it take to get from 80 to 90

    The awnser: If you find a good gamma squad, 80-85 2 weeks, 86-90 2 months
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  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Almost no one does full Delta's anymore, and the instance requires many hours of 6 peoples time and a lot of expense, practice, working around bugs and failed runs. It's really not something you can ask of your faction as a favor.

    Also, multiple full delta's are requires to use the Celestial Chism item. If they fix Delta or changed the way the Chism works, I'd actually start playing again. As it is, the massive amounts of bugs make it far from worth it.
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Delta makes you almost 2 mil in coins from coin drops and Tome frags.
    It requires some investment in charms, but it's hardly expencive (if you make it to the end).

    And some people actually still enjoy running delta's (me being 1 of them)
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  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I've run a few full deltas, the 2 full ones I needed for my own celestial cultivation plus 2 more for each member of my faction that got celestial, and a few more. I like doing them for exp and coin now :). The number of times that someone gets dc'd upon entering the instance is small in comparison to the number of times it does not happen. Unlike Sirrobert though - i do deltas uncharmed b:pleased

    the biggest problem isn't the occasional entry bug or a 1k now and then, its people not knowing what to do, going afk, or otherwise not paying attention.
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    always loved Delta and I did many, many runs on both my Wiz and my BM.
    Same with Gamma.
    It's the only instance in game that really requires you to know your class, more so when the squad is random and you end up with people that you need to teach them what to do.
    From what I read, there's nothing new broken in there...Same old same old. To do Delta you have to know your sh|t. You have to learn the timings, you have to learn the bugs, you have to learn your skills and class.
    Always loved Delta and while I played I tried to teach everyone that had years to listen and brain to process info how to beat Delta.
    But some players out there are just a lost cause..b:chuckle

    So , Delta:

    waste of time? check.
    Full of buggs? check.
    Worst thing to make money out of? check.

    Fun? check.
    Sense of accomplishment? Hell yea!

    I would go so far to say this: If you're a melee you don't know your class until you finished Delta with only 1 continuous AOE DD (Rank9 excluded).
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  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

    I would go so far to say this: If you're a melee you don't know your class until you finished Delta with only 1 continuous AOE DD (Rank9 excluded).

    one of my first deltas, the wiz left after wave 4 because that was all he needed for his culti. the rest of us, cleric excluded were in our early 90s. Our only remaining zhen DD was the archer. We didnt even zhen on the eye the entire time and still made a pretty good run of it. Sadly we lost at wave 9 when i got roflr.aped by having so many mobs on me at once >.<

    was still fun and I made a decent amount of coin of the run, enough to get a perfect citrine :D
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  • Jellytoast - Sanctuary
    Jellytoast - Sanctuary Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I love delta... Even as a cleric in bb it's still so fun, haha. I'm excited since my wizard is now 80 and I have a better chance of getting a gamma squad. Most of the world chats I responded to wanted 80+ for gamma. :/ Only thing that's un fun about it is just the 1ks, but you make so much money and coin and learn a lot. :D
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  • SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Unless I'm mistaken, the OP needs delta for sori culti; thus, even if smb dced & the quest failed, the EXP for stage 4-5 is fairly small & no reason to restart. Unless you can't finish a few stages with 5 people...
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Full delta is probably one of the hardest things to complete in this game, simply because of the huge amount of bugs you'll have to work around.

    lol. Full delta... hard. haha

    I could probably pull a whole delta on my BM better than you could on your barb.

    lmao
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Unless I'm mistaken, the OP needs delta for sori culti; thus, even if smb dced & the quest failed, the EXP for stage 4-5 is fairly small & no reason to restart. Unless you can't finish a few stages with 5 people...

    With the quality of today's average player, most can't even finish their own BHs.
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  • Mortal_Kiss - Heavens Tear
    Mortal_Kiss - Heavens Tear Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Not just delta. today 3 members Dc in Sot BH.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    With the quality of today's average player, most can't even finish their own BHs.

    That's sad.

    One of my friends multi-soloed a Delta playing all six. lmao
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I've run a few full deltas, the 2 full ones I needed for my own celestial cultivation plus 2 more for each member of my faction that got celestial, and a few more. I like doing them for exp and coin now :). The number of times that someone gets dc'd upon entering the instance is small in comparison to the number of times it does not happen. Unlike Sirrobert though - i do deltas uncharmed b:pleased

    the biggest problem isn't the occasional entry bug or a 1k now and then, its people not knowing what to do, going afk, or otherwise not paying attention.

    I can do it uncharmed with a pro barb, but usually I just get a bronze charm lol. It's pritty cheap, the coins you get from wave 5 usually already covers it
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I can do it uncharmed with a pro barb, but usually I just get a bronze charm lol. It's pritty cheap, the coins you get from wave 5 usually already covers it

    Yeah, good barb makes it easy for the squishies. When I'm luring delta I have to pay a little more attention with controlling aggro and stuns or what not. It's not difficult, just need to pay attention. lol
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  • Jellytoast - Sanctuary
    Jellytoast - Sanctuary Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Just tossing this in... if you haven't tried spawn point... It is sooo much fun. And way faster. :D
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