Gratz on pissing off an on every veno with nix an herc

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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    -Gratz on pissing off an on everyone who worked for their Silvermane through DQ
    -Gratz on pissing off an on everyone who had beautiful shards stocked up from jones then flawless became cheap with tokens
    -Gratz on pissing off an on everyone who paid 20-30 mil for rare aeros by putting them in boutique
    -Gratz on pissing off an on everyone who paid %&$*$@% load of money for R8 then have it on sale for 72 gold
    Gratz on pissing off an on everyone who got warsoul by having R9 sale
    -Gratz on pissing off an on everyone by making R9 so accessible
    -Gratz on pissing off an on everyone by making R9 no loner accessible

    Want me to go on? See a pattern here? S**t changes. Your OP/rare s**t won't stay OP/rare forever. Get use to it.


    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Anyone who's willing to pay 1.5m or 2m for gold just to buy the Perfect Chest is a moron.

    Here's a rough estimate for the actual value of the chest:
    15% Flawless Garnet (~21,000 coins)
    0.6% Immaculate Garnet (~4,200 coins)
    0.03% Perfect Garnet (~1,050 coins)
    15% Flawless Citrine (~21,000 coins)
    0.6% Immaculate Citrine (~4,200 coins)
    0.03% Perfect Citrine (~1,050 coins)
    15% Flawless Sapphire (~13,500 coins)
    0.6% Immaculate Sapphire (~2,700 coins)
    0.03% Perfect Sapphire (~675 coins)
    26% 15x Mirage Celestones (~39,000 coins)
    10% 400x Perfect Stone (~20,000 coins)
    0.3% Aerogear (~15,000 coins)
    0.2% Hercules (~180,000 coins)
    0.2% Phoenix (~180,000 coins)
    ---
    Total Value: ~465,575 coins

    The pack costs 0.5 Gold, so that'd put Gold at 931,150, or 909,090 for those buying the gold from AH. And that's really no different from what it already is.

    Basically, you'd have to find someone willing to pay 150,000,000 (150m) for a Hercules or a Nix for gold to go up to 1.5m.

    Oh, and the actual value of the packs is going to be lower than my estimate, since I assumed the following:
    Shards priced according to 10,000 per token
    Perfect Stones priced according to 500 coin/each
    Mirages priced at NPC value
    Hercules/Phoenix priced at 90,000,000 coins each
    Aerogear priced at 5,000,000 coins each

    Out of those, the Hercules, Aerogear and Shards are overpriced by far. And as you can see, those make up ~87% of the price.

    As for what I base my claims on: Simple math. Mostly expected values. Such as how a Battle Pet Pack has an expected amount of 26.8 per pack opened. Or how having a 0.2% probability at getting an item from a box gives you an expected amount of 500 boxes opened to get that item.
    Wow you really have too much time on your hand.
  • Zairi - Dreamweaver
    Zairi - Dreamweaver Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Eh im a Veno with neither Herc nor Nix....

    The only Problem i see is that people will get even more insistent on the fact that i need a Herc.

    Makeing it cheaper unfortunatly wont change the fact that it is damn ugly and i still refuse to be accompanied by the ugly golden Ogre it is. :P

    Nix, well, i dont PvP much.

    Now make Legendary Pet Skills more accesable! XD Lemme buy them from 100k DQP.:3
    Especially the Nix skills are great for DD Land Pets i want some but they are up rarely/almost never. :/
    ....

    Please? :P
  • scifer
    scifer Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Veno looking for FC!! i have herc now, right, as if thats gonna work. Veno, not wanted in FC, we want sin, we want seeker. So veno seems to be very much unwanted, why get a herc? veno is a dying class, i dont think any GM has notice that. With all the herc and nix from the pack and a depreciating amount of venos and everyone not needing veno for FC anymore, why bother even making one? *fail packs *
  • Honourless - Heavens Tear
    Honourless - Heavens Tear Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    scifer wrote: »
    Veno looking for FC!! i have herc now, right, as if thats gonna work. Veno, not wanted in FC, we want sin, we want seeker. So veno seems to be very much unwanted, why get a herc? veno is a dying class, i dont think any GM has notice that. With all the herc and nix from the pack and a depreciating amount of venos and everyone not needing veno for FC anymore, why bother even making one? *fail packs *

    How i see it
    BM/SIN
    CLERIC
    BARB
    SEEKER
    VENO/MYSTIC
    PSYCHIC/ARCHER
    WIZ

    Barb is only up there really because of their buff and the odd aps barb,past certain level they aren't need for tanking in most cases,seekers would be godly and probably top with sin and bm if they could get aps with fists...and the veno...yeah lol,herc doesn't do anything for their squad usefullness anymore(soloing the bosses pw didn't **** up by making harder are no longer worth it in drops/time)and apart from the ultra rare glitch aps ones they only good for the odd pull and debuff.

    Before pw messed with tt and released all this gear to the masses along with fish,venos were arguably top b:sad

    Dear pw,i implore you let me turn my frown upside down by making our old hercs/nixes be able to be reverted back to tradeable tickets!b:victory


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  • ColdSnow - Dreamweaver
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver Posts: 983 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Honourless - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How i see it
    BM/SIN
    CLERIC
    BARB
    SEEKER
    VENO/MYSTIC
    PSYCHIC/ARCHER
    WIZ

    Hmm dont agree here if it comes to FC. sounds more like TT

    FC under lvl90:
    BARB
    BM/SIN
    CLERIC
    SEEKER (HP + debuff + AOE)
    ARCHER (AOE damage is way over Venos + faster at heads)
    VENO (for sparks, the main reason i set Venos here over Wiz, is mainly cause Clerics under lvl89 needs sparks. The reason why i placed Archer over Veno is cause all classes above have more physical debuffs then magical, so their damage would be theorie wise more than wiz)
    PSY/WIZ


    FC over lvl90:
    BM/SIN
    CLERIC
    SEEKER (HP + debuff + AOE so over Barb since he can pull)
    BARB
    PSYCHIC/ARCHER (AOE damage is way over Venos + faster at heads)
    WIZ (AOE damage over Venos + faster at heads)
    VENO (only debuff)

    TT
    BM/SIN 5aps
    CLERIC
    BARB
    VENO/MYSTIC
    PSYCHIC/ARCHER
    WIZ
    SEEKER
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  • Tjikkie - Raging Tide
    Tjikkie - Raging Tide Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    scifer wrote: »
    Veno looking for FC!! i have herc now, right, as if thats gonna work. Veno, not wanted in FC, we want sin, we want seeker. So veno seems to be very much unwanted, why get a herc? veno is a dying class, i dont think any GM has notice that. With all the herc and nix from the pack and a depreciating amount of venos and everyone not needing veno for FC anymore, why bother even making one? *fail packs *

    Lets hit FC with 6 Venos and 6 Herc's
  • WritersBlock - Sanctuary
    WritersBlock - Sanctuary Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I haven't seen fewer newer venos than usual with the mystic boom so...it seems to me pwi is trying to save/preserve the veno class with these sales. Or just make more money b:surrender

    Yes, it makes it easier for venos to get their hercs/nixs but without...let's face it: it's pretty hard to get into a squad these days when you've got mystics running around. They're not the same but having a back up healer to a cleric is a lot of times > than a luring, dd veno. It gives us non-cashshopping venos a chance at survival so why not?

    I understand people who worked their tail end off to get their hercs/nixs might be frustrated that its no longer exclusive. And there are um...not...so...good venos running around with hercs/nixs now. (I can do lots of whoopsie pulls too on bad days b:surrender) But it was the same before wasn't it? Because they were and still are a cashshop item.

    Anyways...

    b:dirty Herc-y you shall be mine...

    I hope people sell their discarded sof for cheap ;p
    b:angry why isn't there a thumbs up smiley?!?!?!
  • Shivalia - Lost City
    Shivalia - Lost City Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I spent about $300 on both. Meh. Personally, I feel like I spent less than I would have trying to get them from these packs. Yeah, maybe I would have got more out of it by actually getting SOMETHING else out of these, but since they were what I wanted when I spent the money, I probably would have just got frustrated with a 'chance'. At least buying the pet packs, I knew I'd get at least 10 pieces of what I needed, no matter what. :/
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Well, the rate is small so you'd have to be really lucky. I doubt people will buy those packs just for the legendary packs.

    I do not like the thought though but I had a feeling something like this would happen sooner or later.

    However, maybe some people don't know about it but TW bosses have a chance to drop a legendary pet ticket.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    However, maybe some people don't know about it but TW bosses have a chance to drop a legendary pet ticket.

    Only Reclusive Spikewing (gate B keeper in level 2 lands) drops legendary pet tickets (5% chance of dropping anything, 15% chance each for a herc or nix ticket.)

    Considering how rare PVE TWs in Level 2 lands are, I doubt that anyone has gotten a herc or nix from TW.
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  • Silest - Sanctuary
    Silest - Sanctuary Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Oh I'm so mad. Oh oh, woe as me.
  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Judging by the fact that Gold prices have already fully recovered, combined with mediocre Perfect Chest sales, combined with a lack of everybody-and-their-dog trying to off-load stacks of what were predicted to be insanely cheap Herc/Nix, I think I'm going to officially declare this particular sale a point for the, "People will Complain About Anything" side.

    Don't worry, though, the, "People with Legitimate Complaints Against PWI" side is still winning by a large margin.
    Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Very nice diception of my post there... To bad you did not listen to a word of it.
    Hmm... Actually, I read your post, and I listened to each word of it, and I thought SHUISHKASS' response to it was pretty well-reasoned.
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  • Elysetta - Dreamweaver
    Elysetta - Dreamweaver Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    ViciousMinx - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Lets just say we see your newest packs and are not amused. Click here if you have not seen the news Calling all venos with herc/nix out there please post here an tell the greedy money grubbing people in charge how you feel.

    Not trying to fan a flame but why shouldn't all classes have access to a Herc? I don't see any mounts that are banned to venos ....

    BTW-the PWI staff work their asses off to try to keep people happy and it's a battle they will never win because, unfortunately big time, there an incredible number of whiners in this game. I have played other games where staff doen't hear you at all, where questions are NEVER answered and cost even more to play. If you are so unhappy, go play another game already. Thank you PWI for trying to improve our gaming experience. I, for one, applaud you.
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  • AgentPotato - Archosaur
    AgentPotato - Archosaur Posts: 324 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Didnt read the entire thread, but to those venos complaining about nixes and hercs, imagine being R8 when they introduced rep sales. Your excuse to complain just died a little inside. b:bye
  • Kinir - Lost City
    Kinir - Lost City Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    What a shock they put an item in packs that wasn't originally available. *Read any ani pack ever* Who cares at this point that you worked harder for it. Pat yourself on the back and enjoy the game. If you had them then it doesn't affect you, if you didn't then congratulations it's cheaper. If you don't want to enjoy the game try playing real life.

    Oh and lets not forget the warsoul farmers which is now less useful than R9.
  • Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide
    Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Judging by the fact that Gold prices have already fully recovered, combined with mediocre Perfect Chest sales, combined with a lack of everybody-and-their-dog trying to off-load stacks of what were predicted to be insanely cheap Herc/Nix, I think I'm going to officially declare this particular sale a point for the, "People will Complain About Anything" side.

    Don't worry, though, the, "People with Legitimate Complaints Against PWI" side is still winning by a large margin.


    Hmm... Actually, I read your post, and I listened to each word of it, and I thought SHUISHKASS' response to it was pretty well-reasoned.

    Sarcastic comments = well reasoned?
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  • Tremblewith - Heavens Tear
    Tremblewith - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,558 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Elysetta - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    BTW-the PWI staff work their asses off to try to keep people happy and it's a battle they will never win because, unfortunately big time, there an incredible number of whiners in this game. I have played other games where staff doen't hear you at all, where questions are NEVER answered and cost even more to play. If you are so unhappy, go play another game already. Thank you PWI for trying to improve our gaming experience. I, for one, applaud you.

    Lol? Please tell me your joking. PWI's staff aren't working to make us happy. I really hope you we're joking. I can name off over fifty reasons why PWI's staff is making the player base upset. Name reason's as to how they are making the player base happy?
  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Sarcastic comments = well reasoned?
    Hmm... are we both thinking of the same post? I was thinking of this one, which didn't strike me as being sarcastic, or even mean-spirited.

    Maybe I'm just thicker-skinned/skulled/whatever, so maybe I mistakenly see counter-arguments where others just see personal attacks.
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  • X_Castillo_X - Raging Tide
    X_Castillo_X - Raging Tide Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    LOL!

    Way to go pwi, all I have to say b:shocked
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