FB and drops

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver

Well i was wondering how you guys manage FB+BH nowadays.

Today i got someone who wanted to do his FB durring bh. Even tho everyone paid their fee he wanted all drops. I got yelled by two people cause i said no. I payed my winefee not for crappy rep and exp from FB, so the guy decided not to tab lol and just finish his bh.

1. i payed winefee, you want to tab it or not, drops are random
2. you needed bh there as well
3. dont QQ me how bad i am, cause your 6rep are not worth the 40k winefee at all, neither the exp i get from it.

It was ages ago where tabber got all drops, since we had no BH+FC. Rep and exp was expensive. Now its almost nothing worth. Yours wines, your drops like in bh squads? Its You who wants to get rid of tabs and quests, i dont care about your 6rep and 1% exp. Get your wines and all drops are yours.

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

well i sometimes wine fb's for other people and let them have the drops, they need it more than i do, but you did pay a fee which means drops are randomed i agree with you, but if his tabs and wines its his stuff then...

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

I always supply the wine for my FB's and I don't charge split. I also state clearly at the beginning that this is my FB, I have tabs, the wine is free, and I will get any 3*, Molds, or books that drop.

If you join a random squad and say, "hey I have tabs for this" and everyone pays a wine fee to someone, (not you), then regardless of whether you say it's your FB or not, drops are going to be assumed as random. This is what BH has brought us, and random drops with wine split is a way to recoup some of the coin you've invested in the run.

If it's not stated specifically at the very beginning, before it's wined, then it's random distribution now.

This kind of thing happens a lot lately because of several things.
1. People are leveling so fast that they have the BH for the instance they are doing thier FB for.
2. They are too cheap/lazy to farm/buy the wine and do a proper FB with their friends. (If they have any.)
3. Times change, circumstances change, people need to elarn to live with it.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

The rules of FB as I've always understood them are as follows:
1. FBs are kind of an obligation to faction mates and people on friend list, rather than to randoms (was this guy factionless?).
2. Tabber gets all drops pre-fb59 without wine (usually only 3*/molds/books, but others too if they specifically request them).
3. All FBs beginning with 59 must be (free)wined by the tabber. This wine continues to entitle them to all drops post-59 (unless discussed with the squad beforehand).

Your tabber was violating #3, in this case. You have to look at it as if it weren't a BH - I sure as hell wouldn't do an unwined 79/89 for someone I don't know, with no chance at any drops.



So wait, was this person seriously behind enough on their culti to require FB79/89 and BH targets in there at the same time? XD

And 6 rep used to be worth more than 40k... >_> [/tangent]

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

tabber gets molds and 3*'s, as well as bloods, though no tabbers seem to want bloods these days. if somebody in the squad wants to whine and ***** about that, then no tabbing gets done, i guess. (though personally, if i were that tabber, i'd take the presence of such a person in the squad as a good hint that finding another squad might be in order.)

the way i see it such controversy can be easily avoided --- state up front that you have tabs and want to run your FB, and if anybody who wants to come along for it has BH quests in there as well, that's their bonus. i wouldn't go looking for a BH squad and tell them obtw, i have tabs and can we make it a FB.

wine fees is coin you pay for your own convenience and for no other reason. if you want drops so very badly as all that, wining REDUCES those by eliminating the mobs that might drop stuff, y'know. don't go both crying for drops and paying to lower them in the name of convenience...

...yeah, i'm probably pretty old-fashioned in my views on this, i'll admit. i certainly don't level fast enough to get BHs for my own FBs, not on any of my characters. then again, i tend to run instances like that for the fun and gaming of it, and i prefer to run them with people who share that motivation --- perhaps that's considered outmoded now too.

Manostra - Harshlands

Simple rule

a.) you pay for the wine you keep any drops you get.

b.) You agree that someone else pay the wine and keep *** and molds/books and you honor this agreement. Tabs or not dosnt matter

c.) Someone say he has tabs and offer free wine but Dont tab on boss after i remind him a couple times, i keep the drops. I got no problem with free wine = the guy who paid the wine get all drops but i hate when someone cover it up as FB to lure people in his squad.

Wich is dumb because you find enough people while being honest.

And is it possible that you can make a party look random drop activated while it is free drops ? I had such runs a couple of times now in harshlands and whoever pick it up get it but the party shows drops are random. Its unfair when you pay your wine and all the meele guys syphon the good stuff.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

By the time you reach that level, tabber gets books and molds only if they provide the wine at no cost.

If it was set up as a BH, then he randomly says "Oh I have tabs." either he tabs without rights to the drops, or pays back the wine fee to the BH squad before you start if he wants the books/molds.

Basically your tabber sounds like someone who was just trying to scam his way into only paying 40k for the wines to his FB and yet get all of the drops.

BarbLord - Raging Tide

Meh a tabber should always wine for free in fb59 and higher though I am still willing to think about an unwined fb59 though my chance of refusing helping on it are much higher then on a wined fb59

For fb69 and up its very clear to me you either wine or go find help from someone else as I and many others will not help you with it

As for the scenario described by the OP maybe give them 3*(those aren't worth that much anyway) but keep everything else random
Though a tabber should always wine their own fb for free

sin4uu

drops for wine not tap

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

BarbLord - Raging Tide wrote: »

For fb69 and up its very clear to me you either wine or go find help from someone else as I and many others will not help you with it

so, just for future reference, the 20/20/20 is supposed to be soloed then according to you?

BarbLord - Raging Tide

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so, just for future reference, the 20/20/20 is supposed to be soloed then according to you?

I never said and that and if a friend or guildy asks my help for that, I will help
But it should be done on a separate run and not the actual fb

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so, just for future reference, the 20/20/20 is supposed to be soloed then according to you?

you can find easily a squad for it, since people level fast nowadays and need it as well. i never asked for help any higher level for 20x3 for ANY of my chars. Just do one wc and you wull get a full squad.

other then this...you get the quest at lvl69 and the tabs for it at lvl70. So one way or another you have to do another run later on.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so, just for future reference, the 20/20/20 is supposed to be soloed then according to you?

20/20/20 should be fully completed before a tabber claims to be ready for their FB69. It's fairly easy to find random squads to go in and get your 20/20/20 done in a 69.

I had a fun one a while back where someone was looking for help with their fb69, but only if people would do 1.5 dry runs for their 20/20/20 first. Once that was done, she would go back and wine the instance and we would continue. I was bored as dirt on my BM and needed the BH anyway so I said sure. Lasted 2 mobs before the "tabber" started whining because people were picking up the drops from the 20x3 mobs - claiming that she got all of those drops too as she would be wining the fb. Made it 3 more mobs of her whining before I just left the party.

Personally speaking, if I see anyone claiming that their wines entitle them to "all drops" on a BH run, I don't even consider responding to them - any more than I will accept a squad invite from a wine fee party where the party is set to free.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well i was wondering how you guys manage FB+BH nowadays.

Today i got someone who wanted to do his FB durring bh. Even tho everyone paid their fee he wanted all drops. I got yelled by two people cause i said no. I payed my winefee not for crappy rep and exp from FB, so the guy decided not to tab lol and just finish his bh.

1. i payed winefee, you want to tab it or not, drops are random
2. you needed bh there as well
3. dont QQ me how bad i am, cause your 6rep are not worth the 40k winefee at all, neither the exp i get from it.

It was ages ago where tabber got all drops, since we had no BH+FC. Rep and exp was expensive. Now its almost nothing worth. Yours wines, your drops like in bh squads? Its You who wants to get rid of tabs and quests, i dont care about your 6rep and 1% exp. Get your wines and all drops are yours.

You are a cleric... make use of the leave squad option.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You are a cleric... make use of the leave squad option.

-_-

1. i got the wines
2. was on my alt
b:bye

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

I have had this happen a few times.


One run when I was 8x I was doing BHy69, we all pay a wine fee, get in and do the instance. Last boss a cape of tauran cheiftain mold drops and it goes to me. We're all set to leave squad and all of a sudden the guy who tabbed starts demanding the mold. So I dropped squad and killed him.


Basically, if they aren't paying for the wines, then the only drops they get are the ones that the game gives to them when you pick up items on random.

OdessaWolf - Dreamweaver

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

-_-

1. i got the wines
2. was on my alt
b:bye

LOL Cold >.< ur wines, ur rules, shoulda stated from the beginning, its a BH run, not FB run. If everyone payed for wine fee, the BH rules applies, no negotiating there. If that guy wanted his FB done, then he/she shoulda got their own wine to claim drops. Simple fact, anyone wanting their FB completed should be responsible to supply their own wines. Clearly this guy wanted to skimp out on the responsibility and in hopes claim the drops... And for those people who yelled at you, **** them. I woulda dropped that wanna be tabber and anyone else who cried foul.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver

Thats what actually happend:

Everyone paid their winefee in wraith and started to clear.

he: "well i need bh here and i still have my tabs, if i tab the bosses it means i can keep the drops?"
me: "no, everyone paid his winefee, drops random regardless if its tabbed or not. its you who needs it and not us"
he: "then i wont tab, cause tabber should get all drops"
me: "if you want all drops, then you pay the wines"
he: "you wanted to wine it anyway"
me: "to be correct, each of us did his part of paying due winefee. if you tab it, we get only 6rep and few exp. i rather get the money back due drops than that."
he: "then i wont tab it"
me: "doesnt matter to me"

After that a long discussion followed by others, i totally ignored the guy. He didnt tab it in the end and i didnt give a **** about it. What i dont understand is how others think that tabbers gets drops even tho someone else paid the wines.

Want to do it without wines? Find a squad for it and clear it. Want to have all drops? Buy your wines and wine it. I will give you even the DQs.

And as for "tabbers need the drops more then we". If someone joins a BH squad and is at same lvl range, i would asume he needs the drops so much as others do. Tabbers dont rise the chance of mold-drops at bosses. "Your wines, your drops" and not "your FB, your drops".

LeiMai - Raging Tide

We were discussing something like this last night in faction chat. Someone ran a lower level BH on their alt, no wine. Someone else in the squad had tabs for 2 of the 3 bosses. They got the valuable drops on the tabbed bosses, which is fair. But then a 3* dropped on the third boss that was JUST for BH, there were no tabs used. It randomly went to my faction mate and it was something she could use currently that was better. The tabber threw a fit of some sort, and said that all drops went to them and demanded it. This is not right, the boss was not tabbed it was just for BH so the drops should be random.

Wine (split or no) > Tabs > nothing

If you wine, then drops are yours over tabs. If its a wine split, drops are random over tabs. If you have tabs and there is no wine, the stuff that drops for your tabbed bosses is yours. If no one has wine and no one has tabs...it is up to the game and stays random.

People are just greedy, wine costs money and if you help pay for it you have an equal right to the valuable drops. If you have tabs and you want the drops, pay for your own wine.

And that's ridiculous FatherTed, you're doing them a huge favour and they want ALL the drops?! Including mobs?! I'm glad you left, I would have done the same. It is one thing if you choose to give someone your drops, but you have the right to choose...they shouldn't demand everything.

OdessaWolf - Dreamweaver

Ofc people are greedy, when the bosses dies, i curse "coin molds pls" b:chuckle

CandyCorn - Raging Tide

tab without wines gets nothing
tab with wines gets drops
tab = nothing
...tell the tabber he/she is a greedy fool.