TW Archive and Discussion Thread

Dralighte - Harshlands

Crescendia - Harshlands wrote: »

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I'm not surprised you wouldn't know about the way things WERE run before, because you weren't an ex-officer of Crimson. But I guess you wouldn't remember that.

I dont want to be an officer and Idc. now much things has changed but youn still butthurt to Crimson/Baba b:chuckle

How does this matter? It wasn't against the rules to have your main in the faction. So mentioning that just makes it irrelevant and mentioning that they haven't attended any TW's just makes you look butthurt that the alts you recruited cant attend lol
Did I say we recruited them? It's more like a welcome back. It's always nice to hear Flash and Lumpe sings on TS b:pleased
Btw, some Crimson CANT attend TWs, it's not the problem . They can probably attend next week, I guess.

That's just you. I can name a few people who are in Valhalla with a main in Crimson. But what does it matter? Things like that would have never been allowed before
The few you can say never attended to their wars if we are in TW. and if they did, they could get problems. (exept if all spots were filled for the TW)

ChuckyNorris - Harshlands

Dra, why don't you just get back to Kylin? And if you bring Bra along - you will get a safety zone to spam as much as you want!

+ you shall receive weekly visits by Becca if you attend all TWs! b:quiet

b:heart

Dralighte - Harshlands

I didnt see him for a long time b:sad
I miss this funny spam xP

Garaver - Harshlands

Okopogo - Harshlands wrote: »

Usually I dont really have anything intelligent to share in a discussion because most of the times I refuse to...

But I really feel like Crimson is just mad because they are not winning. Now that Valhalla is nearly gone from the bottom right hand corner, Crimson won't be stacked with Crimson/Valhalla, which means that Kylin can finally gain lands without losing any.

Anyways, since the map reset, I did not expect the map to turn out the way it is. I thought Valhalla would been uber-duper and pewpew everybody on the map. I thought Kylin would have died, and that Crimson would have been #2 on the map. But I guess Tw Knowledge / Uber -gearz prevails. Anyways, TW is getting bored. Might be because every TW is a crystal rush for us, but I hope that changes soon. It would definitely convince me to play more on my barb / work on my bm.

So, that is my two-cents to this conversation. It was a change to write something intelligent rather then herp-derp all over the forum. Since it also seems like this conversation has gone to shet thanks to Burnout (<3), Did anybody else expect the map to turn out differently at all?

Wow Oko, long time science I saw u write a post like this, I stand by u in the sense I've lost my taste for the forums, all I do here this days is just throw a flame bait here and there and see if some1 catches xD

About your comment, doing TW with KY is a lot of fun now, we coming back from a big set down and by hard work, aid from friends we raising our heads again (omfg this sounds like an anime opening) and I hope we can reach a point to have great and fun tws again with u guys ^_^

Okopogo - Harshlands

There is usually a time where I feel it necessary to put something constructive into a conversation. I saw that as a moment that was fit enough for my intellectual input.

Besides, I really hope that Kylin becomes a super house that will offer a 3 hour war. I really miss those :<

And why would I join another faction? There are people in this guild that I have become extremely good friends with, and they make the game more enjoyable. I mean, I can complain about how boring TW is now, but It would be worse if I left and joined some random guild where I know nobody, just to have a longer TW. I would never sacrifice the relationships that I have made in my guilds, just to have a little bit of fun on the weekend.

Burnout - Harshlands

Basically the release of R9 meant if a group of buddies all happen to have very good gears then they will rule every single event on on the server, be it TW or w/e. Catalyst and Kylin both fit this bill, (yeah i know Kylin mostly has non R9 +12 weapons but they do have quite a few). TBH this server is only big enough to support those 2.

I went to the arena today, and the gap in gears I saw was enourmous. 90% of the people there died in a single shot to a +7 R8 wand, and then I observed the complete opposite in "r9's", the top 5% over in a corner playing with themselves. I didn't really get involved since i'm a 1-2 shot to basically every single one of them, but the thing I concluded was that pk in the entire server basically revolves around a small group of maybe 20-30 people, out of thousands on the server.

TBH, i don't care about packs, easy R8's or w/e. If it so happened that PWI just made R8 available for 72 gold, then took out R9 completely, think of the parity it would give this entire server. There would actually be multiple competitive guilds because anyone can farm up a decent R8 weapon. But it isn't like that. There's the option to spend 72 gold to get R8, then the option to spend 10 times more than that to be "elite". There's really no in-between. Maybe if this was Lost City, everyone would be R9 and the fights would be awesome across the whole server, but this is Harshlands, which is small enough that I can identify by name every single person who has the capacity to kill me in <2 seconds, and the rest don't really stand a chance or are equal.

In short, I think is was admirable of PWI to try to bridge the gap between players by making R8 attainable for all, but then they had to go **** it up by introducing R9, destroying any chance of balance and parity. With only R8 and no rank 9 this game would truly be "free to play, pay to win". But with R9 its "pay to win, but unless you pay enough for R9 you might as well GTFO".

I remember when +7-10 Lunar was the standard for the entire server. As silly as it might seem, there was 10x more parity and balance back then than now with this "R9 or gtfo" ****. the only people who used OP stuff was Nurfed, Banz, and IamKiller. I don't care if you think packs ruined the game. Even with packs, if you could drop down $200, you could be decently competitive with anyone on the server except for those 3, and even then you had a decent chance against the three major R8's.

I remember having decent pk fights against people like Curses, Xulin, JLung, Rome, EmoWDF, even Nurfed. And I actually went out and tried vs them because it was competitve and fun. The TW's were incredible between Kylin, Kingdom, GoodGame, Crimson, and Zulu. What's the TW situation now? One Word. Catalyst. World PvP barely lasts for more than 1 or 2 minutes.


Edit: My only decent fight since I came back was against RocketPower from Valhalla. Thanks for such a fun fight. 15 minutes of kiting, potting, cycling cooldowns, living with only 10% hp left, needing one shot to kill but then I get sealed, etc...I was cleric buffed but you had +10 Nirvana armor/weps, so I considered it a fair and awesome fight. Reminded me of the fun duels vs Rome/Jlung/etc during the Lunar times.

Okopogo - Harshlands

The 3 hour wars between Kylin and Zulu. Those were fun days to pull cata in.

Tryagain - Harshlands

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Basically the release of R9 meant if a group of buddies all happen to have very good gears then they will rule every single event on on the server, be it TW or w/e. Catalyst and Kylin both fit this bill, (yeah i know Kylin mostly has non R9 +12 weapons but they do have quite a few).

Kylin has 3 r9 weapons that I can think of....and one is a barb. I suppose that counts as quite a few, lol. I'd guess about 10 total with 1-4 pieces of r9 armor.

Valhalla still outgears the hell out of us, so does Crimson, and even Afterlife.

Dralighte - Harshlands

Tryagain - Harshlands wrote: »

Kylin has 3 r9 weapons that I can think of....and one is a barb. I suppose that counts as quite a few, lol. I'd guess about 10 total with 1-4 pieces of r9 armor.

Valhalla still outgears the hell out of us, so does Crimson, and even Afterlife.

you do forget Catalyst

Burnout - Harshlands

Tryagain - Harshlands wrote: »

Kylin has 3 r9 weapons that I can think of....and one is a barb. I suppose that counts as quite a few, lol. I'd guess about 10 total with 1-4 pieces of r9 armor.

Valhalla still outgears the hell out of us, so does Crimson, and even Afterlife.

And also Insanity, Catalyst, Mayhem, GEO, FLEAU, DrtySouth, and of course, we can't forget Omerta as well.

Roland - Harshlands

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

And also Insanity, Catalyst, Mayhem, GEO, FLEAU, DrtySouth, and of course, we can't forget Omerta as well.

"yeah i know Kylin mostly has non R9 +12 weapons but they do have quite a few"

Don't pretend you can't read your own post.

Garaver - Harshlands

To Burnout:

As much as I share your opinion, there's no sense of QQing anymore about the game getting facked up, it works for pwe, they make more money now than ever, and as long as ppl pay to OP themselves, they will add more stuff to OP them more so pwe earns more. Think is gonna stop at r9? If u pay attention, every pwi anniversary they're taking out something new that **** everything up more, first anni packs, then rank sale, I bet this year they'll take out something like idk... r10 and a rank 10 badge of some kind, lower r9 to like 150 dollars, lol, seriously it's a shame to us like players, but a total win to the developers.

Burnout - Harshlands

Roland - Harshlands wrote: »

"yeah i know Kylin mostly has non R9 +12 weapons but they do have quite a few"

Don't pretend you can't read your own post.

Thailer and Ligeia both have non R9 +12 weapons and 13k+ hp buffed. I don't know how reading comprehension got lost somewhere in there.

Dralighte - Harshlands

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Thailer and Ligeia both have non R9 +12 weapons and 13k+ hp buffed. I don't know how reading comprehension got lost somewhere in there.

aaaand Blood_eye (or w/e his name) with 13k HP unbuffed, +10(or 11) nirvana second recast
b:pleased

Woneo - Harshlands

bloo_eyes is an archer with very awkward sharding and refining, with around 12khp buffed and +10 first cast nirvana, which is MUCH weaker then r8 +10.

VenomousEmo - Harshlands

bloo_eyes has 10.1k unbuffed and 13.5k buffed.
Tw video. derp.

Okeano - Harshlands

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Thailer and Ligeia both have non R9 +12 weapons and 13k+ hp buffed. I don't know how reading comprehension got lost somewhere in there.

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

aaaand Blood_eye (or w/e his name) with 13k HP unbuffed, +10(or 11) nirvana second recast
b:pleased

Your point? What did you want us to do instead, kill your R9s with TT90 weapons?

It's still true that Kylin has far less R9 than most active TW factions on map. Since full R9 gives 63 attack levels and 25 def level, +10, +12 1st or 2nd cast nirvana are not even in the same level as R9.

zbzkda

Okopogo - Harshlands wrote: »

And why would I join another faction? There are people in this guild that I have become extremely good friends with, and they make the game more enjoyable. I mean, I can complain about how boring TW is now, but It would be worse if I left and joined some random guild where I know nobody, just to have a longer TW. I would never sacrifice the relationships that I have made in my guilds, just to have a little bit of fun on the weekend.

Hi, I'd like to put something in here:

There are a lot of small factions worth the time, or at least I think so. My faction was a lot of fun, and after migrating from faction to faction, BankaiGOD made me stay, and I think you and any other person on the server will enjoy it too. I don't know how to say this, but what I'm trying to say is:

I understand that feeling of just not being able to change factions because the one you're in is just too nice. A faction with good friends that recruits slowly is nicer than any other because every new person is given time to stew in and mellow into the pot just to enjoy the faction itself.

In conclusion, what I've been working myself around to saying is something like: Sure, I can definitely understand that need for a homely fac, and that Zulu is that faction for you, but maybe you all can make new homes? You have no idea how much the server would appreciate that. The amount of work needed to get endgame today with just in game farming is a bit too much. Back in the day, you could farm a Herc/Nix with about 40m in coins. I can make that in a week and a half or so. Today? 150-200m coins, so basically, you have to find a way to farm the Herc before you can farm with the herc. Looking at it, we're starving for a shot at firepower in the smaller guilds Additionally, the game is no longer in such a state where you can really farm your endgame quickly enough to enjoy endgame PvP and content.

I imagine that back in the days when the old dogs played, maybe TT99 was the big thing. Today, just to even survive Apologies' DG during Celestial Tigers event be able to properly participate, you have to have at least sharded TT90 and 4K HP...just to be able to feel like you are actually doing something worthwhile playing on this PvP server. Firepower is getting increasingly important, yo A small guild of very good friends can't steadily build up the same way you all did back in the day because the required gear to be on basic good standing to even participate in endgame events is much higher.

To make clearer the comparison between you oldies' "baby" stages and ours now: Before you could walk about and be a factor with TT90s and a TT99 wep along with any random 3 star cape and some okay rings? If I want to really enjoy endgame content, I have to now ensure that I have fully sharded AA set with event ornaments for physical defense because Assassins ruined the game. There is no low level PvP because we simply CANNOT PvP against assassins without our endgame. PvP has shifted entirely to 10x + engame gear, and nobody is helping anyone to farm that.

Catalyst players can easily look at me askance and say, "Well, I farm all the time contrary to popular opinion. I do not CS. I farm regularly, and I farm hard for my gear." ...You CAN farm because you are at a level of gearing where the game doesn't beat you down. (I see a lot of Zulu saying stuff to that effect, "I do not CS. In reality, I farm a lot").

Burnout - Harshlands

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Your point? What did you want us to do instead, kill your R9s with TT90 weapons?

It's still true that Kylin has far less R9 than most active TW factions on map. Since full R9 gives 63 attack levels and 25 def level, +10, +12 1st or 2nd cast nirvana are not even in the same level as R9.

There was no point to it, I was just answering to Kylin's responses to my post saying i was wrong that Kylin had no +12 weapons, upon which I gave them 2 examples. That wasn't the point of my original long rant anyhow. Also I was trying to get thailer's hp level again for that response but he re-edited the screenie to cover it up I thought it said 13k.

Dezto - Harshlands

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

There was no point to it, I was just answering to Kylin's responses to my post saying i was wrong that Kylin had no +12 weapons, upon which I gave them 2 examples. That wasn't the point of my original long rant anyhow. Also I was trying to get thailer's hp level again for that response but he re-edited the screenie to cover it up I thought it said 13k.

I have about 12.5k hp with demon barb buffs, want a screen shot of that too? Cuz I can hook you up yo, $5 and you are set for life.

Burnout - Harshlands

Dezto - Harshlands wrote: »

I have about 12.5k hp with demon barb buffs, want a screen shot of that too? Cuz I can hook you up yo, $5 and you are set for life.

ummm....no thx...idc who you are.

Dralighte - Harshlands

Woneo - Harshlands wrote: »

bloo_eyes is an archer with very awkward sharding and refining, with around 12khp buffed and +10 first cast nirvana, which is MUCH weaker then r8 +10.

sorry, Neo. second recast Nirvana is WAY better than R8.

Paimage - Harshlands

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

sorry, Neo. second recast Nirvana is WAY better than R8.

He said first recast, not second.

whatchagonado

^This and

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

sorry, Neo. second recast Nirvana is WAY better than R8.

This:

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Your point? What did you want us to do instead, kill your R9s with TT90 weapons?

It's still true that Kylin has far less R9 than most active TW factions on map. Since full R9 gives 63 attack levels and 25 def level, +10, +12 1st or 2nd cast nirvana are not even in the same level as R9.

Burnout - Harshlands

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

sorry, Neo. second recast Nirvana is WAY better than R8.

I beg to differ. During a recent tiger event I sat there and tanked Thailer's hits until he decided to say "*** it" and demon sparked to kill me, and the damage numbers I got were comparable to Ligeia's 2nd recast. They're both similar except for differences in procs. In the case of archers, the nirvana is vastly superior only because of the debuff proc. Looking at that tiger event example, Thailer wouldn't be able to kill me unless he sparked, but if it had been Ligeia I would have eventually lost my verdant shell and no longer be able to tank hits. So w/ the purge proc I have a variable time limit.

The only reason Ligeia even has that ****ty mana bow is because at the time it was the strongest bow with a purge proc, and was cheaper than R8 (at the time, at least).

For caster classes...imo just go R8 and use the 300-400 million you save to refine the weapon to +11 or better instead. Wizards with R8 +10 nuke me just as hard as the ones who shelled out for a +10 Nirvana, with negligible (at least imo) differences. It's even more significant if you only get a single socket on the 2nd recast Nirvana, since R8 comes with a free 2nd socket.

Dezto - Harshlands

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

ummm....no thx...idc who you are.

Ohh man, I thought you loved me.

But, lucky for you, I'm usually running around west-arch with no pants on and if you are extra lucky you can catch a glimpse at my e-peen under my whitey tighties (don't be frighten it doesn't bite).

You know, since you are so obsessed with every ones R8's, R9's, Nirvana, refines, e-peen size, etc. etc.

Eoria - Harshlands

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3964/twmap6232011.png

1. Catalyst attacks Dreamweaver.
2. Val vs. AL...I dunno who will win this one, honestly.
3. Kylin returns to attacking Crimson again after a few weeks of dealing with other guilds.
4. Resist and Sacrament both re-emerge onto the TW scene.
5. Watchers wants to go after Omerta it seems. They'll probably win.

Burnout - Harshlands

Dezto - Harshlands wrote: »

Ohh man, I thought you loved me.

But, lucky for you, I'm usually running around west-arch with no pants on and if you are extra lucky you can catch a glimpse at my e-peen under my whitey tighties (don't be frighten it doesn't bite).

You know, since you are so obsessed with every ones R8's, R9's, Nirvana, refines, e-peen size, etc. etc.

Can you do anything else besides making a fool of yourself with unfunny comments and baseless random accusations on forums?

Dralighte - Harshlands

Oops, I skiped it o.o
still it's stupid to +10 a first recast =.=

whatchagonado

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3964/twmap6232011.png

1. Catalyst attacks Dreamweaver.
2. Val vs. AL...I dunno who will win this one, honestly.
3. Kylin returns to attacking Crimson again after a few weeks of dealing with other guilds.
4. Resist and Sacrament both re-emerge onto the TW scene.
5. Watchers wants to go after Omerta it seems. They'll probably win.

What's funny about Valalalala is that they keep attacking Kylin even though they have no chance of winning, and knowing full well that Kylin will defend them instead of Crimson. Instead, they could have attacked AL and actually have good TW and also good chance of winning. Well, AL started the fight for them, it should be interesting.