Wiz vs Cleric 1v1 self buffs

Harrydresden - Raging Tide

So I was having many debates with various faction mates about a wizard vs a cleric 1v1 in open pk and who has the 'edge' under self buffs only.

Now I am a 101 sage wiz n 101 demon cleric with acc stashed gear (g15 wep +10, tt/lunar nirv armour etc etc)

Wiz is 6.4k hp n 6.2k pdef 10+k mag def 14.6-16.4k mag attack self buffed (dex genie with spark BoC, EP, fortify expel, and holy path)

Cleric is 7.6k hp n 5.4k pdef and 14k mag def self 16.4-18.5k mag attack (demon spirit gifted) self buffed (str genie with occ ice, ToP, holy path, EP, fortify, and expel)

I pk on both regularly and both are fun to use and have natural str n weakness vs other classes and it is my belief that under self buffs appoc charmed etc a wiz has a slight upper hand in 1v1 pk vs a cleric (with full buffs wiz >> cleric)

I feel this way for several reasons, one is that vs r8+10 Op geared ppl on my cleric, i hav a very very hard time killing a wiz due to silent seal being obsolete, occ ice range issues, wiz range > cleric range and clerics lack a sutra or 0s channel spell or as powerful a debuff as undine (clerics hav to spend time puri their debuff or we get *****)

Also, the only way to beat sutra as a cleric is to genie AD or sleep or Guardian light and sutra cs = 2min, GL = 3 mins and AD is 3 mins, so im SoL there wings of prot will save 1 spell of the 4 chain sutra which is always accompanied by spark n undine + maybe EP, also when a wiz sutras they gain back like 50+ chi and can sleep BT right after (or +50 chi and elemental shell for 15 more chi)

Also vs wizards who aint 1shot cs r8 with no armour, phys attacks r pointless due to pdef and wieled thunder is 200% wep dmg, n much less extra dmg added (though metal debuff is nice is demon) compared to sage sandstorm (300% wep dmg n like +5.6k dmg or so) or divine pyro (another 300% wep dmg) under sutra

Also wiz has BT which is 2x base dmg (which is a lot if u hav my wep) n total 400% wep dmg +~12k while demon tempest is 400% + base + 14k so cleric aoe 2spark wont do nearly as much dmg (though a cleric can eat a phys def charm to help alleviate the dmg, but still its alot) though sage bids can b used for crit but i tend to use BT for the raw dmg instead of gambling on 50% chance to 46% crit so thats like 25% chance to crit only and less dmg if no crit

In general, I need a lucky crit or catchin the wiz not eating crab meat n sleep at 60% hp n tempest through charm and imo demon sparking with my cleric is just pointless as a wiz can DS away n kite till it runs out n then i dun hav chi to tempest or GL or WoP, naturally i burn the wiz chi but still hard as a wiz can chi quite quickly

A cleric can at most stack 35% mag debuff, 30% metal debuff and +20% EP but then if no tempest, only cyclone can b used as wield thunder is in cd compared to a wiz undine of 60% and genie spell spark which will bring my fire def down to maybe 4k? idk but its very low

Im jus wondering what all u pro pk wizards think and if u agree that a wiz > cleric 1v1 pk

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

Sounds to me like your cleric is vit build, meaning you dont really have the damage to nuke down a wiz. Tht might be yoru problem between cleric adn wiz

Harrydresden - Raging Tide

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

Sounds to me like your cleric is vit build, meaning you dont really have the damage to nuke down a wiz. Tht might be yoru problem between cleric adn wiz

cleric is vit (137 base) but with demon spirit gift it has more magic attack than wizard with cleric buff, so its not a lack of dmg, perhaps my main pk vs wiz on cleric was with tt99 or a low refine NP vs r8 wizards

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

The matk is only part of the issue, cleric skills arent set up to do damage like wiz skills. I two shot most clerics i fight just with gush glacial snare. 300% weap mod + base magic + damage is a lot.

Adroit - Lost City

I think you're absolutely right that wizards have a slight edge over clerics in 1v1s. Clerics just lack a good way of finishing off a mage.. as you've explained. I hope you post more though, its nice seeing someone new around that actually understands his class lol.

edit: btw gl has a 5min cooldown

MageFizban - Lost City

Hm if you have 16% base crit. Think of it this way. With sage bids, you have 50% chance to increase crit rate by 30%. So 50% of the time you're critting at your base critrate (if it doesn't proc) and the other 50% of the time you're critting at your base+30% = 46%.

So your average critrate with sage bids would be 0.5(16)+0.5(46) = 31%. Not 25%. Basically, with your base crit, you should be critting 1/3 of your BIDS on average.

Enemy - Raging Tide

Harrydresden - Raging Tide wrote: »

harry and i are factionmates + good pk buddies on RT server. i love our wizards when we work together to seal, debuff, take down tough targets, protect each other from sins and other threats.
harry knows alot about the wizard class. and i agree with adroit, its good to see him posting on forums educating the other "qq24/7 wizards" a little bit about the wizzy's hidden power! b:chuckle

Saeidon - Heavens Tear

I pk' a lot on my cleric and had fairly close to a 100% record vs wizards of similar gear (+6-7 armour, nirvana / TT99 pieces / +10 Neon etc). I won just under half against a wizard who is a well respected pk'er with gear much better than mine (Full +10 nirvana with 4 socket vit stones etc)

Now on my wizard, i find equally geared clerics very difficult to take down.

Clerics have a good edge in a 1v1 situation from my experience, I'll follow up with the reasons i believe that is.

A wizard does have much better nuking power, but a cleric has so many defensive skills that most of the time a wizard nuke can be halted. Cleric's certainly do have enough nuking power to be able to kill a wizard and a wizard quickly runs out of their own defensive skills if the cleric plays it right.

@the OP, silent seal is incredibly useful against a wizard and can be a killer when dropped in after a triple sparked sleep.

Elendria - Dreamweaver

I think fights arcane vs. arcane of similar build are always fun as they are not as quickly over as for example a wiz against a bm or sin.

To say that either class overpowers the other would be wrong. Yes wizards are build to nuke and nuke hard while clerics are build to survive and survive tough situations while still dealing dmg.

I think with pk it's always the same story. Certain players have always a similar combo they use. It's very important to be flexible, be able to adjust to other players skill use. I used to be a very squishy wizard and scared to go into pk when my wizi was a baby b:surrender

But then you get to learn the advantages of your own class and what answer to bring to what skill the other class throws your way. Many players are not flexible and they always use the same pattern of attacks, same combo. This is their weakness as once you learn their particular pattern its easy to take them down as you're prepared.

No matter if you are a cleric or wizard, try to learn to read your opponents attacks. Many players as stated above pretty much use the same combos so prepare yourself think about what answer you will use to certain attacks and you will be victorious against any class.