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HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
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Hi
lately i discovered that PWI really seems to hate us since they give psychics more magic attack out of 1 point in magic than us which shows the complete ignorance of the devs to the wizard class . I opened a thread about it in the suggestion section because this cant continue that way
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1040521
If you dont believe me just check the stat calculator
greetz harm0wnie
lately i discovered that PWI really seems to hate us since they give psychics more magic attack out of 1 point in magic than us which shows the complete ignorance of the devs to the wizard class . I opened a thread about it in the suggestion section because this cant continue that way
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1040521
If you dont believe me just check the stat calculator
greetz harm0wnie
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Um you guys have 3047520938475% mods on your skills.
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you have 22(25) att lvls 4 free which outweigh the weapon multiplier by far and guess what you also have weapon multipliers on your skills with magical weapons with same dmg range.MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »Um you guys have 3047520938475% mods on your skills.
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Your argumentation is poor especially since most of the players here know that you have an endgame wiz yourself with decent gear but you still prefer to play your psychic since you rerolled.
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HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »you have 22(25) att lvls 4 free which outweigh the weapon multiplier by far and guess what you also have weapon multipliers on your skills with magical weapons with same dmg range.
Your argumentation is poor especially since most of the players here know that you have an endgame wiz yourself with decent gear but you still prefer to play your psychic since you rerolled.
greetz harm0wnie
Yeah and it gives us -11 defense levels "for free". What's your point? Just frenzy. Our multipliers are much less than yours. Both the weapon multiplier and the additional damage. Get your facts straight before you make a litany of QQ. I prefer to play my psychic because my previous server (aka your current server) was boring.0 -
MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »Yeah and it gives us -11 defense levels "for free". What's your point? Just frenzy. Our multipliers are much less than yours. Both the weapon multiplier and the additional damage. Get your facts straight before you make a litany of QQ. I prefer to play my psychic because my previous server (aka your current server) was boring.
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MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »Yeah and it gives us -11 defense levels "for free". What's your point? Just frenzy. Our multipliers are much less than yours. Both the weapon multiplier and the additional damage. Get your facts straight before you make a litany of QQ. I prefer to play my psychic because my previous server (aka your current server) was boring.
-11 def lvl - doesnt matter in pve since mobs are down fast enough before they can hit you + in pvp you have the chance to protect yourself with skills instead of a gear based defense so who cares about the -11 def lvls
frenzy - you can use it too = no point
the multipliers on spam skills are the same and for other skills you should look at the chi requirements + side effects of the skills too before you compare multipliers and fixed dmg values.
And seriously i dont understand why fast spamable attack spells should do closely the same dmg like slower DPH based attacks.
for the server issue:
dreamweaver is a PVE - Server so you shouldnt be surprised that there is hardly PK and PvP mainly is TWs. I only saw you once in a TW (must have been shortly before you rerolled on Lost City ) when i was around lvl 60 but i can remember cheze you and 2 other guys lost your TW against my faction XBushidoX because you thought your 4-6 overcashed characters were enough to beat us. If you are not interested in the content of the game like quests instances factions... but rather prefer to compete with other players in PvP then you are right Dreamweaver is " boring".
Moreover the differences in weapon multipliers are no reason to give the wiz les base mag attack out of 1 point in mag than the psy.
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HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »-11 def lvl - doesnt matter in pve since mobs are down fast enough before they can hit you + in pvp you have the chance to protect yourself with skills instead of a gear based defense so who cares about the -11 def lvls
frenzy - you can use it too = no point
the multipliers on spam skills are the same and for other skills you should look at the chi requirements + side effects of the skills too before you compare multipliers and fixed dmg values.
And seriously i dont understand why fast spamable attack spells should do closely the same dmg like slower DPH based attacks.
for the server issue:
dreamweaver is a PVE - Server so you shouldnt be surprised that there is hardly PK and PvP mainly is TWs. I only saw you once in a TW (must have been shortly before you rerolled on Lost City ) when i was around lvl 60 but i can remember cheze you and 2 other guys lost your TW against my faction XBushidoX because you thought your 4-6 overcashed characters were enough to beat us. If you are not interested in the content of the game like quests instances factions... but rather prefer to compete with other players in PvP then you are right Dreamweaver is " boring".
Moreover the differences in weapon multipliers are no reason to give the wiz les base mag attack out of 1 point in mag than the psy.
herpderp harm0wnie
If you wanted to go pve, roll a class that is actually GOOD at pve like a sin or BM. Not anyone's fault you try to gimp yourself to start with.
If you mean psy will by "protect myself with skills". . .you're just never mind. We're not the ones with a pdef barrier and the hardest hitting ultis in the game. I mean you're bringing QQ to a whole new level. "OMG WIZARDS ARE DAMAGE GIMPED AND CAN'T COMPETE WITH PSYS OMGOMG"
Look at and compare the availability of your lvl 11 "spam" skills. I assure you, ours are MUCH MUCH harder to obtain. Therefore the damage mods in those two classes are still in your favor even if you only consider the spam skills.
I don't see why you're lecturing me on "quests instances factions" as I'm pretty sure I've had more experience in all 3 on both servers than you've had. Who had to quest their way to 100? That's right! The answer is "Not you."
for the "bushido has fallen as a guild so much it's embarrassing" issue:
We TW'd for fun that last time because Merangelus was a friend. We went in to have fun, not to actually win. I mean. . .cheze and I went in without any HP pots. The fact that our 1 squad almost beat your entire guild is not something you would WANT to bring up.0 -
MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »If you wanted to go pve, roll a class that is actually GOOD at pve like a sin or BM. Not anyone's fault you try to gimp yourself to start with.
If you mean psy will by "protect myself with skills". . .you're just never mind. We're not the ones with a pdef barrier and the hardest hitting ultis in the game. I mean you're bringing QQ to a whole new level. "OMG WIZARDS ARE DAMAGE GIMPED AND CAN'T COMPETE WITH PSYS OMGOMG"
Look at and compare the availability of your lvl 11 "spam" skills. I assure you, ours are MUCH MUCH harder to obtain. Therefore the damage mods in those two classes are still in your favor even if you only consider the spam skills.
I don't see why you're lecturing me on "quests instances factions" as I'm pretty sure I've had more experience in all 3 on both servers than you've had. Who had to quest their way to 100? That's right! The answer is "Not you."
for the "bushido has fallen as a guild so much it's embarrassing" issue:
We TW'd for fun that last time because Merangelus was a friend. We went in to have fun, not to actually win. I mean. . .cheze and I went in without any HP pots. The fact that our 1 squad almost beat your entire guild is not something you would WANT to bring up.
i know that the sage/demon skills for psychic are harder to obtain and usually also more expensive compared to the wiz ones and if you ask me it would be ok if PWI would include the TB and EB 89 skillbook drops in droplist for 89 bosses like for the original 6 classes. But since the skills are there people will get them and the fact that they are harder to get is no reason to pretend they are not there.
I dont feel like the wiz performance is bad when it comes to killing normal mobs since due to the dmg the killspeed is ok and wiz makes a lot of fun to grind with and when it comes to performance against bosses all casters performance is poor compared to physical classes DPS but this doesnt mean that they are not good at all. There are several situations where aoes are needed or magical dmg helps. Especially as a wiz choice of spells and adapting pve strategy to mob type or nuking groups of mobs down with ultis... makes the wiz fun to play in pve and personally i consider the need to modify the attack patterns to the situation far more interesting than using autoattack or demon spark autoattack so sry but here i cant share your opinion when you dont count the wiz as class good for pve.
when i wrote quests instances factions ..
i basically meant that the way you see those things is different
while i like to do quests simply because every quest gives me a nice little challenge (which i like because it makes me kill bosses , grind different spots , fly to remote places on the map ....) you seem to do quests just to get the reward. Correct me if im wrong here. So you want the xp to lvl up and if there would be an easier way to do it without having to complete the quests you would skip those that doesnt seem rewarding to you. Same goes for instances i like to do them to beat them and to see what challenge pwi has prepared for me there. On the other hand i hate doing the same run over and over again just to lvl like people nowadays do with FC. Believe it or not my wiz has done ~15 Fc runs in total where only 1 was hypered ( got stones as guest from wedding). And for the faction part i meant that i like that pwi finally made something where factions can work on to farm together like a PVE instance for a higher base lvl and benefits for all members which i think wont be interesting for you unless the faction items improve the performance of your char or the base war gives you a chance for PvP.
Just because i started PWI later than you it doesnt mean that i powerlvled my char up. I completed every single normal quest the lvl i got it and spent quite some time grinding. Maybe i had it a little bit easiers since in the beginning of PWI there were no bounty hunters which i have to admit gives a nice xp boost since im doing them daily. I got all crafting skills lvl 6 except rune lvl 1 and dumped a lot of my xp into genies too not lvl to fast because i would like to have unlocked all of the skills of my char when i turn 100/101
Well i dont feel like bushido has fallen as a guild i mean we are still not one of the strong TW factions since our faction focus more on enjoying the game in a nice athmosphere with other players than on TW results and there are no min requirements for stuff and so on to join. If you had put more effort in the TW you could have won because at this moment a lot of the former bushido members had went to bigger factions like eQ or cala and we only had about 10-15 people 90+ and <30 people in TW all extremely undergeared compared to you and most of us uncharmed and without much TW experience ( but dont worry many of the lvl 70 chars are lvl 100+ now and our faction is making some progress). And when you said you came for fun - what's funny in killing underequipped and lower lvl players? But i understand that on dreamweaver you had two choices to escape the "boring" pvp landscape either joining one of the big forces like eq or cala and follow their rules or switching to a pvp server ( what you did). But all those still doesnt explain why you rerolled as psy and not as wiz again on the other server if wiz is the char that fits you best
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HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »i know that the sage/demon skills for psychic are harder to obtain and usually also more expensive compared to the wiz ones and if you ask me it would be ok if PWI would include the TB and EB 89 skillbook drops in droplist for 89 bosses like for the original 6 classes. But since the skills are there people will get them and the fact that they are harder to get is no reason to pretend they are not there.
I dont feel like the wiz performance is bad when it comes to killing normal mobs since due to the dmg the killspeed is ok and wiz makes a lot of fun to grind with and when it comes to performance against bosses all casters performance is poor compared to physical classes DPS but this doesnt mean that they are not good at all. There are several situations where aoes are needed or magical dmg helps. Especially as a wiz choice of spells and adapting pve strategy to mob type or nuking groups of mobs down with ultis... makes the wiz fun to play in pve and personally i consider the need to modify the attack patterns to the situation far more interesting than using autoattack or demon spark autoattack so sry but here i cant share your opinion when you dont count the wiz as class good for pve.
when i wrote quests instances factions ..
i basically meant that the way you see those things is different
while i like to do quests simply because every quest gives me a nice little challenge (which i like because it makes me kill bosses , grind different spots , fly to remote places on the map ....) you seem to do quests just to get the reward. Correct me if im wrong here. So you want the xp to lvl up and if there would be an easier way to do it without having to complete the quests you would skip those that doesnt seem rewarding to you. Same goes for instances i like to do them to beat them and to see what challenge pwi has prepared for me there. On the other hand i hate doing the same run over and over again just to lvl like people nowadays do with FC. Believe it or not my wiz has done ~15 Fc runs in total where only 1 was hypered ( got stones as guest from wedding). And for the faction part i meant that i like that pwi finally made something where factions can work on to farm together like a PVE instance for a higher base lvl and benefits for all members which i think wont be interesting for you unless the faction items improve the performance of your char or the base war gives you a chance for PvP.
Just because i started PWI later than you it doesnt mean that i powerlvled my char up. I completed every single normal quest the lvl i got it and spent quite some time grinding. Maybe i had it a little bit easiers since in the beginning of PWI there were no bounty hunters which i have to admit gives a nice xp boost since im doing them daily. I got all crafting skills lvl 6 except rune lvl 1 and dumped a lot of my xp into genies too not lvl to fast because i would like to have unlocked all of the skills of my char when i turn 100/101
Well i dont feel like bushido has fallen as a guild i mean we are still not one of the strong TW factions since our faction focus more on enjoying the game in a nice athmosphere with other players than on TW results and there are no min requirements for stuff and so on to join. If you had put more effort in the TW you could have won because at this moment a lot of the former bushido members had went to bigger factions like eQ or cala and we only had about 10-15 people 90+ and <30 people in TW all extremely undergeared compared to you and most of us uncharmed and without much TW experience ( but dont worry many of the lvl 70 chars are lvl 100+ now and our faction is making some progress). And when you said you came for fun - what's funny in killing underequipped and lower lvl players? But i understand that on dreamweaver you had two choices to escape the "boring" pvp landscape either joining one of the big forces like eq or cala and follow their rules or switching to a pvp server ( what you did). But all those still doesnt explain why you rerolled as psy and not as wiz again on the other server if wiz is the char that fits you best
greetz harm0wnie
do you realize how much of a ***** it is to level up a wiz a SECOND time. I made a wiz on LC and i got bored because I was too used to post 99 wiz. So I made a psychic, fresh start, fresh taste. Fiz also had a similar disposition. Xegeth however, is a wiz freak and has like 15093859284759247525742945782504 level 100 wizards.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
well i dont think that lvling up the character is the hard part since with some hyper fc runs and oracles it is a huge deal to get into a high lvl again on the other server. I guess we all know that pwi has made lvling up easy if you are willing to pay. So lvling up the 2nd wiz to 100 may take about 2-3 weeks. The harder part is to spend the same amount on gear and to get +10-12 items again with this wiz on the other server. Moreover in a PvP environment there is no way to leave out r9 in the long run so this will consume even more money. I dont think that neither cheze nor fiz lvled their LC characters the old fashioned way with questing and grinding ... which is ok because where is the sense in doing all the same things again if you already have done it before.DaichiOni - Dreamweaver wrote: »do you realize how much of a ***** it is to level up a wiz a SECOND time. I made a wiz on LC and i got bored because I was too used to post 99 wiz. So I made a psychic, fresh start, fresh taste. Fiz also had a similar disposition. Xegeth however, is a wiz freak and has like 15093859284759247525742945782504 level 100 wizards.
The hardest part in the decision to reroll if you ask me is - do you really want to leave all the friends you made along the way to 100+ on your previous server just to be able to enjoy a more challenging pvp environment.
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HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »well i dont think that lvling up the character is the hard part since with some hyper fc runs and oracles it is a huge deal to get into a high lvl again on the other server. I guess we all know that pwi has made lvling up easy if you are willing to pay. So lvling up the 2nd wiz to 100 may take about 2-3 weeks. The harder part is to spend the same amount on gear and to get +10-12 items again with this wiz on the other server. Moreover in a PvP environment there is no way to leave out r9 in the long run so this will consume even more money. I dont think that neither cheze nor fiz lvled their LC characters the old fashioned way with questing and grinding ... which is ok because where is the sense in doing all the same things again if you already have done it before.
The hardest part in the decision to reroll if you ask me is - do you really want to leave all the friends you made along the way to 100+ on your previous server just to be able to enjoy a more challenging pvp environment.
greetz harm0wnie
You seem to talk like you know me. I quit the game around the time you started playing. The TW you saw me in was the first time I had gotten on the game in a long time. If you think grinding is slow now, think about how it was a year ago with 30% less damage (lol perma Jones' blessing = easy mode now). As for friends? Most of them had left before me. My decision to change servers was an easy one. I barely knew any of the people anyway.
The only reason why I started playing this game again was because cheze asked me to and he started a char on LC. So since I had already quit once out of boredom, I decided to try out something I didn't know anything about--namely psys. Of course I did quests for the rewards. I actually played on the server when level was much harder to obtain and made quite a difference in TWs. I didn't do hours of rebirth gamma just for the fun of zhenning, digging chests for beans, and getting 1k'd.
I'm glad you're enjoying the game your own way. None of your arguments justify your original post though.0 -
MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
I'm glad you're enjoying the game your own way. None of your arguments justify your original post though.
well the original post was about the amount of magic attack gained from 1 stat point in magic and here i still think that wiz and psy should get the same amount to make things fair i mean when it comes to other things like movespeed or hp per point hp they share the same setup like the old casters cleric + wiz so why should there be a difference
greetz harm0wnie
PS: sad to hear that you've lost the fun in playing pwi but i feel like you are not the only one who had/has this prob because everytime when pwi tries to make the game more appealing this means also they make things easier and they are getting greedier. So i hope that we can enjoy the next 2-3 years without a new race and expansion0 -
Anyway, I don't even think ecatomb is correct. So far, pwcalc.com has been almost 100% accurate for my stats and it's saying that wizards and psys get the same matk per mag stat.0
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HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »well i dont think that lvling up the character is the hard part since with some hyper fc runs and oracles it is a huge deal to get into a high lvl again on the other server. I guess we all know that pwi has made lvling up easy if you are willing to pay. So lvling up the 2nd wiz to 100 may take about 2-3 weeks. The harder part is to spend the same amount on gear and to get +10-12 items again with this wiz on the other server. Moreover in a PvP environment there is no way to leave out r9 in the long run so this will consume even more money. I dont think that neither cheze nor fiz lvled their LC characters the old fashioned way with questing and grinding ... which is ok because where is the sense in doing all the same things again if you already have done it before.
The hardest part in the decision to reroll if you ask me is - do you really want to leave all the friends you made along the way to 100+ on your previous server just to be able to enjoy a more challenging pvp environment.
greetz harm0wnie
Do you know how time consuming it is to hyper FC up a char. Considering the fact I hate FC with a passion. I can't bear to spend no more than maybe 2 runs worth of my time on FC. Talk to fiz, I was the slowest leveler on DW post hypers FC because it was sooooo boring @_@.
Then the gear is...meh. Just roll a psychic and smile. However, I'm mad now because I bought r8 on my psy and I'm playing mah mystic now. b:angry
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DaichiOni - Dreamweaver wrote: »Do you know how time consuming it is to hyper FC up a char. Considering the fact I hate FC with a passion. I can't bear to spend no more than maybe 2 runs worth of my time on FC. Talk to fiz, I was the slowest leveler on DW post hypers FC because it was sooooo boring @_@.
Then the gear is...meh. Just roll a psychic and smile. However, I'm mad now because I bought r8 on my psy and I'm playing mah mystic now. b:angry
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MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »Anyway, I don't even think ecatomb is correct. So far, pwcalc.com has been almost 100% accurate for my stats and it's saying that wizards and psys get the same matk per mag stat.
both ecatomb and pwcalc end up with the same numbers for psy and wiz if you dont use the feature "Main buff" which is only available on ecatomb. But without this main buff i got a result of 545 base magic attack for 450 points in mag which would be the same for wiz and psy and would also be the same result that pwcalc gives but this didnt reflect the value of my wiz in the game who got 450 points in mag but 614 base magic attack. = a difference of 69 mag attack from pwcalc and ecatomb without main buff option to actual game value.
But with the main buff option on i got got exactly the 614 magic attack that my char also has in the game. But then a psychic also with ecatomb calculation and mainbuff option on ends up with 699 magic attack = 85 magic attack more than the wiz. So since the game value is identical with the calculated value i guess the option missing on pwcalc has to be used to reach the most accurate result and then the psy gets more mattack out of a point magic
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DaichiOni - Dreamweaver wrote: »True, but Mystics are prettier.
Mizuoni posting from his new mystic ? - go for pwi's next topmodelb:laugh0 -
hexyPoo > your mystic b:cutei like potato0
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Yes! and I will go for next top model cause mah mystic is sexy.HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »Mizuoni posting from his new mystic ? - go for pwi's next topmodelb:laughHexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »hexyPoo > your mystic b:cute
psh w/e
EDIT: Is it sad that I want to reroll mystic just because they are so pretty...
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DaichiOni - Dreamweaver wrote: »EDIT: Is it sad that I want to reroll mystic just because they are so pretty...
It's sad that you rerolled your mystic on DW.0 -
MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »It's sad that you rerolled your mystic on DW.
b:surrenderi have my seeker on LC rofl[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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