Blame it on the veno!!!

Tigerninja - Heavens Tear

People who play barbs, bms or even clerics. We know our responsibilities in a squad. They always blame either one of us if it fails!!! I am really disgusted at this but in any case, let's not take any further blame for other's fault. Why? Cause it's simple.

Barbs responsibilities: Keep agro, go pull and keep agro!!!
BMs's responsibilities: Stun, HF and kill kill kill!!!
Cleric's responsibilities: Heal heal heal!!!

What does the veno has to do in that? Oh so simple, she's the scapegoat if the squad gets wiped out!!! Why?

Cuz she's responsible for sparking barbs. No sparks = no invoke = flesh
ream = no agro.

She's also responsible for sparking the cleric in case BB drops.

So who to blame for such squishiness too? The veno!!! She dies and cleric has to drop BB to rez her sorry @#$#%^& b:angryb:angryb:angry but in meantime she gets up, she dies again cuz cleric has no chi to BB again. Cleric rez the veno and another dies. Double the effort for us to keep alive. The boss is killed she puts her blame on us!!! Who to blame, people? The squishy miserable veno!!!!! b:angryb:angry

Neyda - Raging Tide

Whats your Probleme?

Tigerninja - Heavens Tear wrote: »

People who play barbs, bms or even clerics. We know our responsibilities in a squad. They always blame either one of us if it fails!!! I am really disgusted at this but in any case, let's not take any further blame for other's fault. Why? Cause it's simple.

Barbs responsibilities: Keep agro, go pull and keep agro!!!
BMs's responsibilities: Stun, HF and kill kill kill!!!
Cleric's responsibilities: Heal heal heal!!!

What does the veno has to do in that? Oh so simple, she's the scapegoat if the squad gets wiped out!!! Why?

Cuz she's responsible for sparking barbs. No sparks = no invoke = flesh
ream = no agro.
If the Barb can't manage his Chi by himself, he's useless in the first Place.
What do you think is Bestial Rage bestial Rage for.

She's also responsible for sparking the cleric in case BB drops.

So who to blame for such squishiness too? The veno!!! She dies and cleric has to drop BB to rez her sorry @#$#%^& b:angryb:angryb:angry but in meantime she gets up, she dies again cuz cleric has no chi to BB again. Cleric rez the veno and another dies. Double the effort for us to keep alive. The boss is killed she puts her blame on us!!! Who to blame, people? The squishy miserable veno!!!!! b:angryb:angry
And the Reason to rezz right after she died is?
You can also wait until the Boss is finished, so the Cleric don't have to drop his BB

Edyn - Dreamweaver

Euhm plz dont be so mad b:surrender

Not everyone knows how to play their class, thats true. But you cant blame it on a specific class. We all have our purposes in teamplay.

And what does a veno do in a squad?

Sparks indeed the cleric when he/she has BB up so that IF BB drops he/she can putt it rigth back up again so party wont slow down.
Everytime the CD on Lending Hand is reloaded you either cast it on tanker or some good DD from pt who sparked so that the tankers can keep up the high killing speed.

Amping & purging bosses whenever the CD is ready to cast it again.

AOE'ing as much as we can in groupkills with our several AOE's.

And what about luring, tanking? Not that we need to tank much often anymore these days BUT if tanker dies pet gets agro and its very safe for the cleric to rez the dead tanker.
My pets saved cleric's alot, with partywhipes all can run who's alive and leave pet there so that it decreases the numbers of dead ppl..

Just a quick list.

Just like you say that the pt yells at you they yell at us to. Spark, lure, amp, purge ...
Like we dont know what we are doing...

Maybe you just had a bad party or so but I myself only blamed 1 person 1 time and its no use blaming the whole character for 1 less compitent person.

I've been in party's with the worst clerics and barbs and bm's and wiz, archers... etc.

What I'm trying to say is that it depends all on the person playing his/her char not the character on its own so you can say the same thing about any class.

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear

You obviously need to cool down and stop raging.It looks like you had a bad instance run.

Though,if the barb needed veno's chi to work,then I would be screaming fail already.And also if the cleric dropped BB and let people die just to res the veno,I would also scream stupid and fail.If the veno is that squishy and dies to boss,I would also scream fail.

Wrong section BTW.

Tigerninja - Heavens Tear

Neyda - Raging Tide wrote: »

Whats your Probleme?

I manage chi all by myself and I have demon bestial rage. We always need extra chi cuz we have to invoke and that consume 2 sparks so that the cleric can rez squishy!!! b:angry

Regarding Cleric dropping BB after boss is finished? Yeah that's what happened. We killed boss and boss died and veno got mad cuz she didn't get it. This is her problem and her squishiness issue b:angry and what is worse is that you are called fail 'xxx class' cuz you killed the boss b:angry

So blame it on the veno!!! b:angry

Tigerninja - Heavens Tear

Oh can mod or admin move it to General Discussion plz? thx b:thanks

Ruumatsuku - Lost City

tbh, Veno's are not mind readers. We'll pass sparks when a "Barb, BM, or Cleric" asks for one.

I've been playing this character for about 3 years, and I have not seen a Barb complain soo much about venos... I honestly don't care if I die in frost, it's just a game, all I do is laugh and get over the matter.

Another thing, if you love your chi soo much, start carrying Chi Pots. A veno can only pass 1 spark at a time with a 60 Second cooldown.

In Lost City, we barely have Venos in Frost runs. And can run em without complaining.

Play the game, and have fun.

Neyda - Raging Tide

If the Veno dies even with a BB, its just her own fault.

helping hand have a cooldown of 60 seconds so if I sen a Spark to the the Barb,
in the worst case, the Cleric have to get the Chi by himself or have to wait 60 seconds
before hie can build up an new one.

Normally I ask the Party before we enter the Bossfight, and if the Barb runs out of
Chi he just tells me. sometimes with a "." in the Partychat, sometimes via TS.

And I also died several Times, when i lured a Boss, because the Barb was to slow.
even when I asked if they ar Ready, befor I Start the luring, and never complained about that b:angry

Ruumatsuku - Lost City

Neyda - Raging Tide wrote: »

If the Veno dies even with a BB, its just her own fault.

helping hand have a cooldown of 60 seconds so if I sen a Spark to the the Barb,
in the worst case, the Cleric have to get the Chi by himself or have to wait 60 seconds
before hie can build up an new one.

Normally I ask the Party before we enter the Bossfight, and if the Barb runs out of
Chi he just tells me. sometimes with a "." in the Partychat, sometimes via TS.

And I also died several Times, when i lured a Boss, because the Barb was to slow.
even when I asked if they ar Ready, befor I Start the luring, and never complained about that b:angry

Yeah, i hear ya. I pretty much do the same thing too Neyda. By asking squad if they're ready, etc.

WritersBlock - Sanctuary

Don't blame it on the veno... b:sad

I'm usually the first one to try and protect my teammates when someone else besides the barb or a bm grabs aggro...though by the time my walker gets over there the barb has noticed and turned around. Sorry it wastes your chi but idk, it's better than a squishy dying.

Also...when the barb falls on a boss, I'll try and grab aggro with my pet, heal like mad to give other people a chance, and probably die in the process. But hey...at least I didn't send my pet in and town teleport and get the heck out of there. Did you think about that? b:thanks

And yes, sometimes my timing is off for fox-amp-befuddling-human-ironwood-lending hand (to tank if i see them spark)-whatever until amp cools down-manage my mp...but I try you know? It's sometimes difficult to do this and manage my pet so when bb needs to come up I usually stow him. I don't set up a macro either because its better for me to watch and judge the situation (use less ironwood because tank is sparking a lot, lucky is using too much of my mana etc.).

Oh and I have to manage my pet too, make sure he bashes when its cooled down. Whoopsie.

Thus, I most certainly won't be answering in squad chat unless it's something like "ok" or ":)" or ":(" quick while I'm channeling. Would you rather me start beating the boss with my magic stick so I can answer "i can't, you have to wait"?

It's been mentioned that there's the 60 sec cooldown on passing sparks which no one besides venos want to acknowledge. Oh! And I can't SEE how much chi you have. If I see you spark then yeah, I need to send you one but I can't tell otherwise. They're no chi bar for me to see you know...and if I just sent my sparks to the cleric for bb...takes some time before I have more chi to send to the tank and then there's the cooldown.

Can't manage my hp (if the cleric is a little sleepy ;p, or if i hp/mp/soul switch or leech or whatever and tell them not to worry about me so they can focus on the barb/others), my mp, my pet's hp, my pet's moves, my moves, timing between fox/human/channeling/cooldowns, my chi, AND the barb's chi b:cry



Learning situation:

So once I was doing a bh51 and we were on wyv. The cleric drops bb (idk why, rank breaks not wyv), run away from wyv (understandable I guess, aoe kills and if she dies we all do) and yelling at me for sparks. Which I can't because she said she didn't need any so I used my spark, and I can't answer because I'm doing my thing and now need to pot to stay alive because she isn't healing anyone now. When I can...she's running everywhere and I have to run after her O.O

Dumb veno thing on my part yes. Should have saved up that spark and sent it to her. But at the time I didn't know clerics needed sparks to put up bb. I asked my cleric buddy what moves uses sparks so from then on, I know to send my first one to the cleric right after they put up bb. I've since the learned to send my sparks to whoever is tanking when I see them spark and conserve my chi.

Purpose: Was I pissed? Yes. But I asked about another class and I learned from it.



I'm not perfect...I'm still very much a noob and can do very stupid veno things, and of course I have my very off days, but I'll admit I made a whoopsie and it's my bad, but that's me, not the class b:chuckle

We've all had those squads....cleric that refuses to heal, cleric that refuses to res, barb that is still wearing lvl 30 armor, sin without any amor because she was pking, archer out of arrows, veno without her pet out bc she's out of water (not I, another one ;p)...etc., etc. but it's the player not the class.

WritersBlock - Sanctuary

agree on the veno dying even with bb up b:shocked definitely her fault...

and barbs not grabbing the boss after a lure b:sad I usually shrug that one off though b:pleased

_River - Heavens Tear

I had to laugh a little at this... Not because its true, but because it sounds like you had a squad that made the worst decision for the situation...

While its not always the barb/cleric/DD's fault, its also not always the veno's fault. I agree that, if she was squishy enough to die in BB... she should have just remained dead. I expect that when I die in instances, especially if I know I can't get up with the aoe. I tell them to make sure the tank/cleric is safe before they even consider ressing me. Death's don't bother me whether PvE or PvP related. I shrug it off cause I know I'm squishy and if I die, I die. Can't stop it, can't prevent it. Lol

Also, for those that DON'T know, Sage/Demon lending hand (the spark passing skill) has only a 15 second cooldown and demon version has a chance to send not just one, but 2 sparks.

In cases where I know the cleric needs sparks more, I spark them only, until the barb asks. I usually don't send sparks to a barb/bm unless asked, as they have their ways of building chi. I purposely always have 2-3 sparks on me for passing purposes. My typical reaction when I see a cleric BB, I pass spark. If I see a barb use Sunder or Invoke I try to pass them sparks too, however, I know from experience that if they do that and use bestial rage, they can get all of that chi back (mostly referring to situations like in FF or where they gather large groups of mobs)

I've been on all 3 sides of this debate. I'm still a noob at playing barb, but at least I don't run through chi like most seem to do. I can maintain 2-3 sparks at all times in FF without a veno. Cleric-wise... That's why I have cloud eruption, for those cases where the veno fails and refuses to spark me or I can't build chi fast enough. Sage chi skill helps a bit, but not 2 sparks worth

Aurantiumina - Heavens Tear

^
All the venos before me said it all, lol.

Just 1 thing, a Veno that can't survive an aoe in BB, should not expect to be resed, coz it would be just a waist of time for the cleric.
Aaaand, when I used to be pro at this game (which is not the current case), and actually did instances (which now I carefully avoid...nobody deserves a party wipe...), I never heard such a complaint from the squad, because we would set up the rules before we began the run. Comunication is key, and setting a list of priorities prevents anger issues.

You had bad luck...relax...it's a game...jeesh...no need to stigmatize the whole class because of it.

Lunchables - Raging Tide

Tigerninja - Heavens Tear wrote: »

People who play barbs, bms or even clerics. We know our responsibilities in a squad. They always blame either one of us if it fails!!! I am really disgusted at this but in any case, let's not take any further blame for other's fault. Why? Cause it's simple.

Barbs responsibilities: Keep agro, go pull and keep agro!!!
QQ
BMs's responsibilities: Stun, HF and kill kill kill!!!
QQ
Cleric's responsibilities: Heal heal heal!!!
QQ

What does the veno has to do in that?QQ Oh so simple, she's the scapegoatQQ if the squad gets wiped out!!!QQ Why?

Cuz she's responsible for sparking barbs.QQ No sparksQQ = no invokeQQ = flesh
reamQQ = no agro.QQ

She's also responsible for sparking the cleric in case BB drops.QQ

So who to blame for such squishiness too?QQ The veno!!! QQ She diesQQ and cleric has to drop BBQQ to rez her sorry @#$#%^& QQb:angryb:angryb:angry but in meantime she gets up, she dies againQQ cuz cleric has no chi QQto BB again. Cleric rez the veno QQand another dies. QQ Double the effort for us to keep alive. QQ The boss is killedQQ she puts her blame on us!!!QQ Who to blameQQ, people? QQThe squishy miserable veno!!!!!QQ b:angryb:angry

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Castgurl - Raging Tide

Tigerninja - Heavens Tear wrote: »

People who play barbs, bms or even clerics. We know our responsibilities in a squad. They always blame either one of us if it fails!!! I am really disgusted at this but in any case, let's not take any further blame for other's fault. Why? Cause it's simple.

Barbs responsibilities: Keep agro, go pull and keep agro!!!
BMs's responsibilities: Stun, HF and kill kill kill!!!
Cleric's responsibilities: Heal heal heal!!!

What does the veno has to do in that? Oh so simple, she's the scapegoat if the squad gets wiped out!!! Why?

Cuz she's responsible for sparking barbs. No sparks = no invoke = flesh
ream = no agro.

She's also responsible for sparking the cleric in case BB drops.

So who to blame for such squishiness too? The veno!!! She dies and cleric has to drop BB to rez her sorry @#$#%^& b:angryb:angryb:angry but in meantime she gets up, she dies again cuz cleric has no chi to BB again. Cleric rez the veno and another dies. Double the effort for us to keep alive. The boss is killed she puts her blame on us!!! Who to blame, people? The squishy miserable veno!!!!!

Meeeeppp!! Bad bad time it sounds like.

I'm not gonna lie, there are some BBBBBBB!!!!!TCHY venos that play from time to time and are such idiots lol =\ Buuut I'm not one of them >.<;
btw venos spark peoplez, brambles certain peoplez and much more >.> if they die it's either one of the following:

Barb dies (it happens people =\ so get over it lol)
Cleric dies (some are squishies, but meh, it happens. They lose exp from coming back to res us b:surrender give them a break!)

NOW if the above doesn't apply and they STILL die...
(if they die, it's because the cleric is too busy healing the barb, they're a tuuuuuuurrrd, or they're squishie as hell. I could go onn and oonnn buuuut I'm not gonna do that LOL.)

Tell em to shut it and quit nagging o.o

b:victory

Castgurl - Raging Tide

_River - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I had to laugh a little at this... Not because its true, but because it sounds like you had a squad that made the worst decision for the situation...

While its not always the barb/cleric/DD's fault, its also not always the veno's fault. I agree that, if she was squishy enough to die in BB... she should have just remained dead. I expect that when I die in instances, especially if I know I can't get up with the aoe. I tell them to make sure the tank/cleric is safe before they even consider ressing me. Death's don't bother me whether PvE or PvP related. I shrug it off cause I know I'm squishy and if I die, I die. Can't stop it, can't prevent it. Lol

Also, for those that DON'T know, Sage/Demon lending hand (the spark passing skill) has only a 15 second cooldown and demon version has a chance to send not just one, but 2 sparks.

In cases where I know the cleric needs sparks more, I spark them only, until the barb asks. I usually don't send sparks to a barb/bm unless asked, as they have their ways of building chi. I purposely always have 2-3 sparks on me for passing purposes. My typical reaction when I see a cleric BB, I pass spark. If I see a barb use Sunder or Invoke I try to pass them sparks too, however, I know from experience that if they do that and use bestial rage, they can get all of that chi back (mostly referring to situations like in FF or where they gather large groups of mobs)

I've been on all 3 sides of this debate. I'm still a noob at playing barb, but at least I don't run through chi like most seem to do. I can maintain 2-3 sparks at all times in FF without a veno. Cleric-wise... That's why I have cloud eruption, for those cases where the veno fails and refuses to spark me or I can't build chi fast enough. Sage chi skill helps a bit, but not 2 sparks worth

b:pleased Looks like I didn't have to break out the wall of text this time b:victory

Neyda - Raging Tide

Castgurl - Raging Tide wrote: »

Meeeeppp!! Bad bad time it sounds like.

I'm not gonna lie, there are some BBBBBBB!!!!!TCHY venos that play from time to time and are such idiots lol =\ Buuut I'm not one of them >.<;
btw venos spark peoplez, brambles certain peoplez and much more >.> if they die it's either one of the following:

Barb dies (it happens people =\ so get over it lol)
Cleric dies (some are squishies, but meh, it happens. They lose exp from coming back to res us b:surrender give them a break!)

NOW if the above doesn't apply and they STILL die...
(if they die, it's because the cleric is too busy healing the barb, they're a tuuuuuuurrrd, or they're squishie as hell. I could go onn and oonnn buuuut I'm not gonna do that LOL.)

Tell em to shut it and quit nagging o.o

b:victory

I'm dying long before the Cleric, and if the Cleric isnt real stupid he will be in safety when its happens, becaus when the Tank dies, I'm try to start to go all out, use all
of my Pet's aggroskills, and spark to get the aggro when my Pet dies, or just tank the Boss
til the Barb is rezzed. But the Cleric mustn't die under any Circumstancesb:surrender

DavidKessler - Sanctuary

hum seems to me that the barb dont know how to control argo you know u got a skill gains che just by being hit right

if squad gets wiped there is only one to blame in my opion thats the tank