FF

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear

So I did ff on mystic for first time last night, and it was a pretty terrible run. Took about 4 hours and all told everyone but me died at least 5 times. I died once. This was mainly due to the barb never having done it b4, the bm using a spear almost the whole time, and that both said they were having serious pc issues with lag etc. requiring several reboots.

During phoenix the current cleric/bm (same person) decided they needed to restart their pcs mid fight, so there I was spamming vital herb and healing herb with wiz unnecessarily healing barb and telling me to heal ONLY. I replied that they could DD anytime they wanted, and that I kinda need chi for the damn plants that are keeping us alive. Spam healing the barb that didn't need additional healing was a poor use of my mp and spamming NV got me chi quicker.

Anyways phoenix was regening health faster than they were dding (sad right?). Luckily the sin brought in their cleric and bm for the rest.

I'm more glad than annoyed at how terrible the run went because it gave me a pretty good idea of what I could improve upon if I go back.

I tried out a lot of different tactics in there but didn't really find one that I preferred. First I was using salvation to buff barb b4 pulls as he was low lvl and had a charm. It worked ok but he didn't need it so I switched to storm.

I would use creeper as bm stunned, lys it, which automatically made storm spam hush. This worked pretty well, and depending on how much chi i had at the time I would use gale force or thicket. Both did ok damage gf maxed and thicket being lv5, but with thicket it seemed as tho 3 mobs (out of the whole pack) would get silenced only and run off a bit.

Not really a problem, but quite annoying since that doesn't happen when I use thicket on my own. It is a potential issue at dragons where they are leaving the other mobs alone if the runners should aggro them. That didn't happen thankfully.

My craglord is lv3 (as I rarely use it) but it seems like it will probably be a better way to go than the hush/aoe spamming when its lvled.

I would really like to know if using creeper (not lysed) on oceania master causes the miniboss to splode. Its just debuffs, no actual damage, but I didn't risk it as the run was already fubar.

Some odd things I noticed were that using thicket on a harpy did no damage at all, and that using creeper on giant holeen made it appear too far away from him to actually cause debuffs.

The only time I used sting was for heads, and I don't really use it at all questing. While maxed it does **** damage, even when lysed, and means that no debuff plant is out.

Anyone out there want to tell me how useful sting is in ff?

Please share your tactics for mystic in ff too.

RouxLouka - Dreamweaver

I just spam gale force and mistress aoe. Use listless instead of trying to debuff mobs.

I find salvation buffs useless for pulls. If the puller can't pull, then they just can't. As soon as they stop running, they are going to die. No amount of absorb is going to stop it, especially since it will run out before they even reach the room. Just throw in listless and let mistress take all the agro with an aoe. That will buy the bm time to stun.

I don't like thicket either. Gale force and Cragglord is better.

Creeper doesn't explode oceania runners. Not from what I've seen. I still don't use it though just in case.

chronobreak

When I'm in FF I like to play Disabler/Support style

I use Gale, Thicket and Storm Mistress's Hash for damage and seals.

For bosses with mean AoEs I use herbs. (They heal really good lol)

and just about anything esle I use Creeper and and lysing them before they die and replace Them with spidervine... and just before they die I lysing them and call a creeper.

I cant recall all my tactics its random sometimes depends on skill on the squad and if I recall to do it or not.

Sting is useless to me too I just use it on heads

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear

Its odd how this makes 2 people that say to use listless blossom. I never use it, for anything.

If the mob is moving at all it will be outside of the area of effect every time its summoned that I've tried using it. If the mob is stationary (already attacking something) then why in the hell would i use it when one attack from ANYTHING will instantly cancel the sleep?

The only use for it I could envision is if you need to run away from something (that your pet isn't attacking) or in pvp where you are either attacking one person that isn't moving or you use it to get people coming to help the first person.

In ff, or pve in general, how is a chance at aoe sleep even remotely useful? Are you going to tell everyone to not attack the group that was pulled until the person with the longest chan skill gets it off? Then grats you just killed your wiz (or cleric if it doesn't proc on ALL the mobs) and wasted mp on listless blossom when you could have debuffed phys/mag def by 20% and lowered attack rate/chan by 40% b:sad

Ivory - Harshlands

This is how I run my fc in a squad as a bm pulling:
1. have salvation with all chi... have the bm target and give him the salvation buff and falling petals and follow the puller...
what can u accomplish with that?? first u secure the damage and the healing so all the squad have the time to run along with the bm
2. NEVER change the pet to an offensive one only if u are goin to use cragglord with the bm doing dg....
3. Have ready your vital herbs and the cleric with rezz buff.... all other dd`s dont need and u save mp....
4. if u are facing a boss give the one that is tanking the salvation buff while using healing spells like a cleric. Also u can use your Befuddling Creeper+Skill Lysing to make the boss slower and drop his defense.......

Also, if u encounter a barb that does not know how to run.... pray he does have a charm and does not care to lose a little of that charm.... everyone is not pro at first just a little practice makes u good.....

Finally on exp room... Cast vital herbs, wait until the puller comes back and the bm to stun to give the puller the salvation buff, cast cragglord with the aoe attack... the damage will be high enough....

I think that is all I hope it helps and if some1 wants to add something please do because it makes us better in squad b:cute

RouxLouka - Dreamweaver

Don't knock it until you've tried it. There's plenty of times where mobs are slept with listless even with aoes.

You're complaining about fail squads, and yet you're not trying to make them less so. What good are debuffs when you're DDs are dead?

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear

DDs have been doing FF successfully since the beginning without aoe sleep. If there weren't creeper or spidervine and there were only blossom then I might use it.

It would be like telling a sin "we know you have rib strike and subsea strike, but could you just use deep sting on the boss? It will keep our dds alive kthanx"

I don't see how the slight chance of sleep which will be interrupted in less than .1 sec by everyone else's skills, repeatedly until the mobs are dead, has anything over reducing their attack speed and crushing their defense which stacks with hf.

I can even use spidervine too and weaken their attacks etc.

But I'll try it like you say

Asthariel - Dreamweaver

RouxLouka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I just spam gale force and mistress aoe. Use listless instead of trying to debuff mobs.

I find salvation buffs useless for pulls. If the puller can't pull, then they just can't. As soon as they stop running, they are going to die. No amount of absorb is going to stop it, especially since it will run out before they even reach the room. Just throw in listless and let mistress take all the agro with an aoe. That will buy the bm time to stun.

I don't like thicket either. Gale force and Cragglord is better.

Creeper doesn't explode oceania runners. Not from what I've seen. I still don't use it though just in case.

I always use the Creeper at Oceania and it's proved that it doesn't aoe at all. However, I wouldn't recommend using Lysing on it since it's written it does "moderate damage". Well, it's written "to the target" and not something like "nearby enemies" but just in case, I wouldn't lyse it. But just the Creeper is ok.

As for Thicket, I use it constantly in mob pulls and it does wonderful damage. I reserve Craggy for bosses.

Caterpie - Dreamweaver

Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I always use the Creeper at Oceania and it's proved that it doesn't aoe at all. However, I wouldn't recommend using Lysing on it since it's written it does "moderate damage". Well, it's written "to the target" and not something like "nearby enemies" but just in case, I wouldn't lyse it. But just the Creeper is ok.

As for Thicket, I use it constantly in mob pulls and it does wonderful damage. I reserve Craggy for bosses.

Yeah, Lysing's damage is AoE. So as long as you don't KILL the little suicidal explodey walker guy, your plants should be fine.

Sikasatsi - Harshlands

Why in hell you need to "choose role"? you support your squad in every way they are not so good at, keeping the whole run stable...Who wouldnt want it?
I think mystic's most important thing is to buff cleric w res and heal ppl while cleric BB..
DD when you can, 1 second more or less for mob to die.. Who cares?
This is not a rocket science...

Enarus - Heavens Tear

RouxLouka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Don't knock it until you've tried it. There's plenty of times where mobs are slept with listless even with aoes.

You're complaining about fail squads, and yet you're not trying to make them less so. What good are debuffs when you're DDs are dead?

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear wrote: »

DDs have been doing FF successfully since the beginning without aoe sleep. If there weren't creeper or spidervine and there were only blossom then I might use it.

It would be like telling a sin "we know you have rib strike and subsea strike, but could you just use deep sting on the boss? It will keep our dds alive kthanx"

I don't see how the slight chance of sleep which will be interrupted in less than .1 sec by everyone else's skills, repeatedly until the mobs are dead, has anything over reducing their attack speed and crushing their defense which stacks with hf.

I can even use spidervine too and weaken their attacks etc.

But I'll try it like you say

Sleep skills are something that are really more effective as solo play skills. For FF with an unskilled puller or tank, the decreased attack rate is going to be much more helpful. And a decreased defense makes killing faster, meaning the tank is going to take less damage. Using an AoE sleep is really just a waste of MP imho

Selvyn - Raging Tide

I found this thread quite useful, I've been thinking of combos to use and its nice to hear that some of what i thought is what others have said is effective.
Its also nice to see ideas that I haven't thought of .

Yhumy - Dreamweaver

Recently I've been noticing that mystics are becoming expected to be healer/dd/puller/tank/conditions at the same time. And obviously we can. Now obviously doing all that at the same time leaves our mp pools at negative mana but you should be able to do all that. If you can't supplement some much needed micromanagement with genie skills. Expel or absolute domain or something like that to help yourself.