Help With Pvp

XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City

im a level 61 archer.. 1 str 4 dex build.. i need help with pvp, what skills do i use, what classes do i pk against?. Im so confused

AqueoLupas - Lost City

im only sure of one thing i think you can fight wizzies beacuase their squishy ness and you don't need to get close to them and BM's cause they have to run to you while your shooting them down

ArrowOHeaven - Lost City

XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »

im a level 61 archer.. 1 str 4 dex build.. i need help with pvp, what skills do i use, what classes do i pk against?. Im so confused

Well, when fighting heavy armour open with stunning arrow>thunder shock>thunderous blast>lightning strike>kite>rinse and repeat.

For light armours, Stunning arrow> thunder shock>lightning strike>normals/deadly shot.


for arcane stunning arrow>deadly shot>its dead.

XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City

thanks thats exactly what i need :P

XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City

is there any skills i need to make sure i max out? b:questionb:question

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Ignoring the rude comment you made to me in your other thread, I will tell you which you "need" to max.
In no specific order:
1. Stunning Arrow
2. Blazing Arrow
3. WoP
4. Winged Shell
5. All your metal skills. Thunderous Blast can be debated, I didn't level it all the way, and Stormrage Eagleon... no one uses that unless you are trying to make archer babies.
6. Bow Mastery
7. Winged Blessing
8. Frost Arrow... can be argued, but I maxed it for PvE
9. Aim Low... might not need maxed, but should be more than level 1 if you plan on PvP
10. Deadly Shot... same as above
11. Wingspan... once again, same as above (but more for PvE)
12. Barrage... same as above, if you plan on TW/AoE PvP
13. Archers seem to like Quickshot so if you are one of those archers, max it. I personally never used it so I never maxed them or got the demon version of it.
14. Sharpened Tooth Arrow. Really helps against high HP barbs/BM's and essential for PvE


NEVER level:
Serrated Arrow
Poison Arrow
Knockback Arrow unless you go Sage
Stormrage Eagleon... unless you REALLY want it... I guess... but...
Basically an DoT (Dmg over Time) skills shouldn't be leveled since our main purpose is to kill the target in a matter of seconds.

Oh. if you plan on going demon, if COULD level serrated arrow to lv 11 for a self heal... lol, it gives 200 hp back when you cast it. too bad you should have over 6k HP by the time you get it.


Also, any archer feel free to edit or add to this short list. I haven't played my archer for months now that I can't remember all the important skills needed to play them.

grimreaperhc

I'd suggest the following skills, though I haven't PvPed for a while now :

1. Blazing arrow - buff, always needed.
2. Winged blessing - maxed. 10 meters plus
3. Bow mastery - maxed.
4. Wings of grace - a nice "opening" skill. You can make sure that you will survive the stuns if you cast it before the fight, but it can save your life if you get caught by a BM for example as it resists all the hits while being casted.
5. Stun arrow - your stun, maxed.
6. Aim low - lovely skill though it needs a spark to cast it. It gives you enough time to use your metal skills on the target as well as fire a few shots.
7. Lightning strike - your way to break through the heavy armor users.
8. Thunder shock - a skill that reduces the metal defence of the target. Best use against the HA users. Thunder shock and Lightning strike right after that and you can be sure that the target will be dead soon after.
9. Winged shell - it can save your life, trust me

Personally I`m not using Deadly shot because of the long casting time.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

Ignoring the rude comment you made to me in your other thread, I will tell you which you "need" to max.
In no specific order:
1. Stunning Arrow
2. Blazing Arrow
3. WoP
4. Winged Shell
5. All your metal skills. Thunderous Blast can be debated, I didn't level it all the way, and Stormrage Eagleon... no one uses that unless you are trying to make archer babies.
6. Bow Mastery
7. Winged Blessing
8. Frost Arrow... can be argued, but I maxed it for PvE
9. Aim Low... might not need maxed, but should be more than level 1 if you plan on PvP
10. Deadly Shot... same as above
11. Wingspan... once again, same as above (but more for PvE)
12. Barrage... same as above, if you plan on TW/AoE PvP
13. Archers seem to like Quickshot so if you are one of those archers, max it. I personally never used it so I never maxed them or got the demon version of it.
14. Sharpened Tooth Arrow. Really helps against high HP barbs/BM's and essential for PvE


NEVER level:
Serrated Arrow
Poison Arrow
Knockback Arrow unless you go Sage
Stormrage Eagleon... unless you REALLY want it... I guess... but...
Basically an DoT (Dmg over Time) skills shouldn't be leveled since our main purpose is to kill the target in a matter of seconds.

Oh. if you plan on going demon, if COULD level serrated arrow to lv 11 for a self heal... lol, it gives 200 hp back when you cast it. too bad you should have over 6k HP by the time you get it.


Also, any archer feel free to edit or add to this short list. I haven't played my archer for months now that I can't remember all the important skills needed to play them.

Demon Quickshot gives an APS bonus after use. Thus, it goes like this for Quickshot:

Never level Quickshot, unless you have a Demon Quickshot book ready to be learned.

Poison arrow is actually QUITE useful in PVE, against Earth bosses that will take a while to kill. I use it a lot if I'm not tanking and want to do lots of DOT. Otherwise, I do not use it.

There are other skills on your never level list that are extremely useful in PVP, especially in Demon form, however, I'm too tired to go through and point them all out.

IDynasty - Dreamweaver

LMAO pve till u get to 100, get r8 +12 and everyone who doesn't have +12 armors will drop pretty quick.

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Demon Quickshot gives an APS bonus after use. Thus, it goes like this for Quickshot:

Never level Quickshot, unless you have a Demon Quickshot book ready to be learned.

Poison arrow is actually QUITE useful in PVE, against Earth bosses that will take a while to kill. I use it a lot if I'm not tanking and want to do lots of DOT. Otherwise, I do not use it.

There are other skills on your never level list that are extremely useful in PVP, especially in Demon form, however, I'm too tired to go through and point them all out.

Well I already had Demon Spark, Crimson Horn, TT90 gold bracers and R4 chest. I wasn't really concerned with getting quickshot for aps bonus, mainly because it's not going to happen every single time I cast it. I don't wanna be in a PvP instance where I'm casting it with the hopes to get the increase, when I could be spending my time using skills that actually... work =P That's why I said I'm not one of "those" archers who uses Quickshot.

As for DOT, I would rather be doing sparks + normal attacks and maybe a metal debuff if there's a cleric DDing. Casting a DOT continuously just seems dumb to me because I could have done about 3 normal 5k+ (not including crits and the boss's level) dmg hits with normal attacks... but that's just my point of view, i guess if you really wanna DOT go ahead.
I remember this archer was tanking my bh on my cleric and she was using DOT skills... CONSTANTLY. Like. Poison Arrow > Serrated Arrow > Cooldown with normal > Repeat.
I wanted to rage ;_;

GrimReaperHC wrote: »

Personally I`m not using Deadly shot because of the long casting time.

I can't remember if it was stunning arrow or aim low, but one of them lasts long enough that you can cast Deadly shot, but it's really bad if you waste all that time to learn that it misses... But it could easily one shot unsuspecting arcanes b:chuckle

grimreaperhc

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

I can't remember if it was stunning arrow or aim low, but one of them lasts long enough that you can cast Deadly shot, but it's really bad if you waste all that time to learn that it misses... But it could easily one shot unsuspecting arcanes b:chuckle

I guess it's Aim Low because it's in effect for 8 seconds. For this time you can easily cast sage take aim as well b:avoid

Kaste - Sanctuary

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

I wasn't really concerned with getting quickshot for aps bonus, mainly because it's not going to happen every single time I cast it. I don't wanna be in a PvP instance where I'm casting it with the hopes to get the increase, when I could be spending my time using skills that actually... work

1. It has a high chance of proc. (50%)
2. You can spam it due to low cast time and low cooldown.
3. The buff makes up the lost DPS from failed procs easily.

RangedAsasin - Harshlands

If your a pure build then u wont need to really worry about using more then 1 skill against Arcane... u can use Stunning arrow and then regular attack and they be down..

but max Metal skills and Aim low for HA and especially sins. Aim low - If you kite the sin or whoever get enough distance between u and the other u can use that skill then all metal then use stunning arrow.. kite again. Best way to win is to KEEP MOVING .. if u sit still ull get ganked. Get ur lvl 79 skills!! they are VERY helpfull in pvp ull find out that wen fighting sins and BM's they will save ur butt against their stuns etc.

Ill give u a example of what i did

I got into a pvp war with me vs a bm and barb and 2 sins.. At the start the sins stayed out of it but eventually got involved .. the barb was 8x and the bm was 9x and sins i think were 7 or 8x .. What i did is (while being chased by everyone) attacked Bm first... I used my anti stun lvl 79 skill to avoid being stunned by bm or whoever and got enough distance between me and him. I used stunning arrow then all metal attacks. LOL based upon luck i hit 4 crits up in the 3-4 k range and killed him. Then the sins got involved . i used Absolute Domain and used Wing span and 1 shot both of them .. then barb .. took me about 15 mins to kill him but eventually i got the barb...

My point is KEEP MOVING .. if i would of sat still i would of got killed really fast. Load urself up on Crab meat .. it helps alot. Mana pots keep a good supply of them. I do have proof of this story .. i recorded it with FRAPS and im planning on posting on youtube eventually. This is just a bit of how i fight (and im a noob archer) as a archer, my main is a 102 sin so if this strat sounds bad to any pro archers i give you respect cuz u guys have more experience then me, but from what i see If archers kite then their survivability will be much higher then if they sit still ..

PS: if u end up fighting someone who Demon Sparks or Sage Sparks (speaking from sin experience and what i saw) if you run while the spark happens u have time to buff and us stunning arrow or any buff to help u ...

Archers **** anyone who sparks first in my opinion .. I never see a archer spark first. If the archer sparks .. most likely they got Decided fists lol I seen a few of those.


This is a opinion from a Sin if u guys disagree thats ok but all what i said is what i Gatherd from watching TW online and practical ingame pvp ..

GL

Ranged

Ignathas - Sanctuary

i got all my demon skills except thundershock and wingspan = those 2 i need
i dont have deadly shot, st, quickshot - cos my oppinion is theyre quite useless in pvp and ill explain why..
deadly shot and st = long casting range, Everyone can see youre an Archer, so you automatically become auto-target for ppl (more in mass pvp like tw, cos i dont pk)
quickshot = only 50% chance, And once a person see some1 is quickshotting them, if hes not a nub he will ad/ironguard or smth and run away = useful only against nubs who try to tank quickshot >.>
i suggest those skills and oppenings that i use and i think are a must:
demon skills: blazing arrow, all passive skills, winged shell, Stunning Arrow, Aim Low, Thunder shock, Lightning Strike, Thunder Blast, Wings of protection = fancy but idk if much of a use..
against arcane/light: stunning arrow as opening, or aim low then cooldown, and usually after a few hits target is dead anyway.. (being stunned cant do nothing)
against HA: stunning arrow as opening or aim low then cooldown, and then thundershock-lightning strike-thunder blast, usually target dead but if not can kite
wings of grace as opening is good but only if feel potential danger cos consumes spark and time
if wanna kill all faction alone can use ad/sutra during barrage but even air to ground usually ppl die in 1-2 barrage hits.. havent tested demon barrage yet but think will be beast, ofc auto-death if you use it :P
demon winged shell i thought was w.e but is actually good cos can have it 24/7 on demon

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. It has a high chance of proc. (50%)
2. You can spam it due to low cast time and low cooldown.
3. The buff makes up the lost DPS from failed procs easily.

1. I still don't want to chance it.
2. I don't want to spam it.
3. That still does not convince me to want it.


Sorry
I'm glad the archer above thinks the same as I do so I don't look crazy.

GrimReaperHC wrote: »

I guess it's Aim Low because it's in effect for 8 seconds. For this time you can easily cast sage take aim as well b:avoid

You couldn't pay me to go sage OR get take aim... b:chuckle
(although i'm excited to go sage on my mystic)

TigerLily - Lost City

GrimReaperHC wrote: »

I guess it's Aim Low because it's in effect for 8 seconds. For this time you can easily cast sage take aim as well b:avoid

Aim Low only freezes people. They can still use Plume Shell, Bramble Hood, any another defensive/immune type skill or Apothecary making Take Aim deal no dmg what so ever lol.

Sage Stunning arrow - Sage take aim works pretty good tho. You get exactly enough time for Take Aim before the stun runs out. Its like the only decent combo sage archers have against AA users b:chuckle

grimreaperhc

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Aim Low only freezes people. They can still use Plume Shell, Bramble Hood, any another defensive/immune type skill or Apothecary making Take Aim deal no dmg what so ever lol.

That's true but I think that even if you keep on going with normal attacks, the result would be almost the same b:avoid

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

You couldn't pay me to go sage OR get take aim... b:chuckle

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Sage Stunning arrow - Sage take aim works pretty good tho. You get exactly enough time for Take Aim before the stun runs out. Its like the only decent combo sage archers have against AA users b:chuckle

< Proud future-sage archer b:cool

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

GrimReaperHC wrote: »

< Proud future-sage archer b:cool

you'll get like all the sage skills because they're so cheap... atleast on HL b:chuckle
Frost arrow goes for 100k last time I checked~

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

you'll get like all the sage skills because they're so cheap... atleast on HL b:chuckle
Frost arrow goes for 100k last time I checked~

And demon goes for more than that? b:shocked

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

And demon goes for more than that? b:shocked

I think so... last time I checked (mind you, like half a year ago) it was like.. 500k for demon.. xD

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Sage archer is underestimated by their majorities of fail skills compared to demon. Sage archer vs sage BM who uses magic marrow... Well aim low and sage take aim+poison would dominate.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

I dunno... Looking at the skill bonuses between Sage and Demon... I like the bonuses Sage gives more of the time. But... Eh.

Maybe I will go Sage. We'll see.

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sage archer is underestimated by their majorities of fail skills compared to demon. Sage archer vs sage BM who uses magic marrow... Well aim low and sage take aim+poison would dominate.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I dunno... Looking at the skill bonuses between Sage and Demon... I like the bonuses Sage gives more of the time. But... Eh.

Maybe I will go Sage. We'll see.

I never said sage was bad, just has cheaper skills

grimreaperhc

Cheaper skills =/= fail skills
But let's not start the sage vs demon fights again b:chuckle

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

GrimReaperHC wrote: »

Cheaper skills =/= fail skills
But let's not start the sage vs demon fights again b:chuckle

Sage STA b:dirty

Sint - Harshlands

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

Sage STA b:dirty

whoever thinks DS is useful in pvp is a tard. to make it painfully clear why: DS means you choose to sit still for 3 seconds. There is a single stun that cant be cast in that time. For sniping unsuspecting mages at endgame, take aim is more than sufficient.
(especialy if you have r8, like EVERYONE and if you refined it somewhat decently) additionally, you can interrupt TA if that mage isnt as afk as you thought he was. And lastly: if you're using any skill other than stuning and quickshot after you start a fight with a mage, you'r failing: straight arrows deal more dmg than skilspamming.

Similarly, using metal on la is only good for reducing your dmg. the debuff just isnt good enough to justify taking 3x longer per shot.

On Topic: as an archer, the easiest targets will be: wizzies, venos (no nix) psys, seekers, venos (with nix), clerics, archers, sins (unstealthed), bms (phys marrow), bms (no marrow) bms (mag marrow), barbs and lastly sins (stealthed)

Ignathas - Sanctuary

on sanctuary theyre 50k both frost and blazing for demon problem is learning fee 1-2 mil for skills :> i have demon frost too rarely use it idk its mainly just for fun

Fleuri - Sanctuary

Sint - Harshlands wrote: »

whoever thinks DS is useful in pvp is a tard. to make it painfully clear why: DS means you choose to sit still for 3 seconds.

I can think of maybe six different reasons to disagree with you on this issue.

For example: one of my reasons is that you can cancel DS.

Quilue - Sanctuary

STA =/= DS...I don't know why you chose to quote that.

Use metal on LA as a last hit so you don't miss --> Demon Lightning Strike.