mystic vs veno pet comparison

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  • yepimcoldsword
    yepimcoldsword Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Sorry mb im not at the right thread, but ive a question))) Can mystics tank all bosses that venos do (sure with bao)? )
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    yepimcoldsword wrote: »
    Sorry mb im not at the right thread, but ive a question))) Can mystics tank all bosses that venos do (sure with bao)? )
    No. No mystic summon can compare to a herc. Cragglord comes close, but he's only out for 20 seconds at a time.
    However, herc aside, yes.
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  • Baby_pho - Heavens Tear
    Baby_pho - Heavens Tear Posts: 636 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I dont understand why people are compairing pets/summons. They are totally different from one another. Both venos and mystics can play with or without their pet/summon. I do have both veno(tho veno atm is just a nirvy key vessel) and mystic. It is more helpfull to have the pet/summon yes. Veno's pet can tank/dd the stats are higher. Mystic's sumons arent meant to tank since there are many different types of summons you use for different purposes. All in all it is pointless to compair them because they are not the same. The only simmilar thing they have to each other is that they are there for extra dd for veno/mystic.
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Didn't read all posts but a common mistake seems to prevail here.

    Cragglord in Rebirth isn't stuck on God's Eye, is capable of AoE, has no dmg reduction on the [?] mobs, does it's damage during the amps / HF etc.

    Stealing aggro from summons doesn't = summons being bad at aggro. Sage veno spark is 900% matk vs 700 for Mystic. Venos make up for less regular dmg with eruption. Mystic Summons have decent aggro.

    Land, air, water - 1 summons vs 3 veno pets w/4 skills ea.
  • ExoticWoman - Lost City
    ExoticWoman - Lost City Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Guys, stop arguing about whats better, veno or mystic. veno is more a solo/pve class, mystic a squad/pvp class. They are not superior or inferior to each other. Mystic pets are weaker, but veno cant heal. Same with other classes: mystic cant heal as well as cleric, but cleric doesnt have summons. You can imagine a square, divided into 4 smaller squares: wizard, cleric, venomancer and psychic. Then imagine mystic as a circle, that overlaps all squares a bit, but not fully. if you do this, you realize that a mystic is a jack off all trades, wich never can outperform either of these 'square classes' in their specialization(healing, tanking with pets, damage and fast spellcasting), but thay can heal for examle AND use pets. So mystic is not bad, they don't specialize like other mage classes do.
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    ExoticWoman - Lost City wrote: »
    Guys, stop arguing about whats better, veno or mystic. veno is more a solo/pve class, mystic a squad/pvp class.

    We knew this was wrong before PWI got the update including the EG race with Mystics being able to solo stuff (pve) before any other class.
    Mystic pets are weaker, but veno cant heal.

    Weaker? -Veno pets can't AoE, can't protect, can't explode, can't be leeched, can't transcend (water/earth/air), can't change based on player stats and having the Devil summoms was like starting out with a free Herc.
    Same with other classes: mystic cant heal as well as cleric, but cleric doesnt have summons.

    There are mystics who would argue this point but that's a whole other topic. There will be many mystics that play like a veno, but there are some that realize Mystics are great healers and better at it under many circumstances than Clerics.

    You can imagine a square, divided into 4 smaller squares: wizard, cleric, venomancer and psychic. Then imagine mystic as a circle, that overlaps all squares a bit, but not fully. if you do this, you realize that a mystic is a jack off all trades, wich never can outperform either of these 'square classes' in their specialization(healing, tanking with pets, damage and fast spellcasting), but thay can heal for examle AND use pets. So mystic is not bad, they don't specialize like other mage classes do.

    I'm admittedly not that adept at Mystic yet. I'm still learning it, but I can tell that you're not even half way there. Mystics have 2 AoE healing herbs, AoE Shield (Salvation), AoE Heal (Comforting Mist). Chromatic Healing beam sucks by comparison and BB leaves you w/o ability to DD or anything else. Wellspring Surge isn't near as fast or scalable as Break in the Clouds.
  • tjrsherman
    tjrsherman Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Mystic pets are meant to be leeched.

    If you don't leech them, they're only meant for luring or using their coc skills. Like stun from devil, seal from mistress and shield from salvation.
  • VoItaire - Harshlands
    VoItaire - Harshlands Posts: 1,033 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I'm not sure why so many people want a herc/tank pet so badly... They're near useless endgame anyway since no one's gonna wait for you to get aggro anyway much less cut down on their dmg output, and if you really want to solo high end stuff then well... Dual clienting is no longer bannable :) Dps pets will actually be able to put what they excel in to good use at least.

    Edit: I don't really wanna make a thread for this so just gonna post here. Is there a way to target yourself with a hotkey? Getting really tired of clicking myself for sally's buffs :c
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