What is localization?

Rawrgh - Raging Tide
Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
edited March 2011 in General Discussion
As anyone who reads the patch notes can tell, localization seems to be a very big part of what PWE does with every weeks patch being full of localization.

But what is it really?


I always thought that it was adjusting the content given to us from china for our version of the game. Translation obviously but also tweaking things to be more available to us, including adjusting prices. Our games have completely different economies between the two and what is merely chump change to an average player on PWCN may not be the same for an average player on PWI.



Now, maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time.



But, if I'm not, then it's apparent to me that PWI did not localize the guild bases at all.

The prices are clearly designed for players on the chinese perfect world which has a much different economy.


Here's an example. Take the new helms from the guild base.


This is one of the new helmets:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/30350


A very nice helmet, good grade, decent bonuses, very nice helm indeed.

Lets look at how much it costs, this is the quest to obtain it:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/23475


Yes, that's right, it takes 96 10mil notes, or 960 million coins.

Now compare it to this helm:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/25703

Same base HP, same refines. Both give +200 magic resist, both give +6-10 strength. Only real difference is that the nirvana gives 1% crit, while the base helm gives +2 ATK and +3 DEF. Although 90% of people who could use either helm will more than likely have nirvana legs, so the nirvana helm more than likely gives +5 ATK level, so pretty much basically the same thing.



The nirvana helm takes 260 uncannies, which can be bought for 500k (probably cheaper but lets just go with 500k) so 130mil plus the TT90 gold helm for the nirvana helm.

Two items but one costs 8 times the other.


This is the case with just about everything given by the base.


The weapons? 1 billion for the equivalent of a tier 1 nirvana when you can get R9 for that price.

The tomes?


The cheapest ones are 220mil and give +20 magic, +4% xp, +0.2 movement speed, or +20 strength. The most expensive ones are 3 BILLION coins.


You could buy a scroll of tome for barely more than the cheapest ones, and get better stat bonuses than the most expensive ones.


All these cool things we were promised with the expansion are pretty much just waste of space in the game. The prices, obviously intended for PWCN players, are simply too astronomically high for PWI players.




So, GMs, when can we expect some "minor localization fixes" pertaining to guild bases?
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  • ilovesmesomeass
    ilovesmesomeass Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    you do know that "minor localization fixes" is just a fancy way of saying "we have no idea what was changed"
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Actually it's a fancy way of saying "we did absolutely nothing"
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  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Actually it's a fancy way of saying "we did absolutely nothing"

    Frankie has stated before that the "minor localization changes" are almost exclusively for future sales.

    How far into detail that goes is anyones guess. But I'm gonna guess that it isn't too taxing.
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Well, still, I would love to see a GM response on the Faction Base weapons. Even if it is a "No, it won't change." it would still be something.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Localization is supposed to encompass game strings as well, which include the crappy characters shown on the OP's link to the item's quest name. However, given for over two years I saw examples like Thunderclaw's "See you death here!!111oneone", I always wondered what it was they actually localized besides the boutique.
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    lol what happened to your huge source of money you always talked about. afterall if you can afford to give a mirage for a buff everytime why are you complaining how much a helmet costs. b:laugh
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    ...... Seriously?

    A mirage, 10k, this helm, 960mil.


    And besides, the issue is that these items are useless when an alternative is available with same/better stats at 10% the price.


    srsly, lrn2read.
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    ...... Seriously?

    A mirage, 10k, this helm, 960mil.


    And besides, the issue is that these items are useless when an alternative is available with same/better stats at 10% the price.


    srsly, lrn2read.

    yeah and think about it 12k for a 30 minute buff that goes away. 960 mil for an item that is permanent. you will end up spending way more then 960mil on buffs in the long run. besides you said you would pay people 2 mirages per buff, so thats 24k per buff. and thats just for attack level 3. now add up the cost.

    edit: infact all i ever see you say on these forums is how much money you have and how awesome your tw faction is. top that off with knocking on anyone who say they cant afford anything and this thread makes me laugh my *** off at you.
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeah and think about it 12k for a 30 minute buff that goes away. 960 mil for an item that is permanent. you will end up spending way more then 960mil on buffs in the long run. besides you said you would pay people 2 mirages per buff, so thats 24k per buff. and thats just for attack level 3. now add up the cost.

    However, BH100 can give 50 mirages. If you didn't take their value in the market, the buffs are technically...."free".


    Besides, 12K into 960 mill....would need to buff like 80,000 times, I don't even think I've buff half that much since I played. lol
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  • KingTank - Heavens Tear
    KingTank - Heavens Tear Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    there is a wand in there that cost over 11 billion coins its called Radiant Wand it hasn't got too bad of stats but still not worth that much, lol

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/30218
  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeah and think about it 12k for a 30 minute buff that goes away. 960 mil for an item that is permanent. you will end up spending way more then 960mil on buffs in the long run. besides you said you would pay people 2 mirages per buff, so thats 24k per buff. and thats just for attack level 3. now add up the cost.

    edit: infact all i ever see you say on these forums is how much money you have and how awesome your tw faction is. top that off with knocking on anyone who say they cant afford anything and this thread makes me laugh my *** off at you.

    Eh, mirages are excessively common.

    BH100's give 50 often enough, TT bosses tend to drop mirages more often than actual mats, 3* items break down into mirages and if you use tears from the OHT daily to make sleeves/boots you often times end up making at least 1 3* set per week, if not more.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeah and think about it 12k for a 30 minute buff that goes away. 960 mil for an item that is permanent. you will end up spending way more then 960mil on buffs in the long run. besides you said you would pay people 2 mirages per buff, so thats 24k per buff. and thats just for attack level 3. now add up the cost.

    edit: infact all i ever see you say on these forums is how much money you have and how awesome your tw faction is. top that off with knocking on anyone who say they cant afford anything and this thread makes me laugh my *** off at you.
    And all I ever see you posting on these forums is idiotic QQ posts.


    And if you would LEARN TO READ you would note that I'm not talking about the prices, I'm talkin gabout the prices RELATIVE TO OTHER ITEMS OF THE EXACT SAME QUALITY.
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    whether you get them as a reward or not doesnt matter the fact is you still spend 12k a buff since you cant sell it once you use it.
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    And all I ever see you posting on these forums is idiotic QQ posts.


    And if you would LEARN TO READ you would note that I'm not talking about the prices, I'm talkin gabout the prices RELATIVE TO OTHER ITEMS OF THE EXACT SAME QUALITY.

    your still qqing that these items cost too much. if they cost too much dont buy em its that simple.
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    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    KingTank - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    there is a wand in there that cost over 11 billion coins its called Radiant Wand it hasn't got too bad of stats but still not worth that much, lol

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/30218

    Especially not worth the 11.5bil price tag for a g13 item. <.<
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Stop QQing because you can't acknowledge that for 10k you get a buff equal in strength to a 100k+ buff that you will rarely use.
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Stop QQing because you can't acknowledge that for 10k you get a buff equal in strength to a 100k+ buff that you will rarely use.

    stop qqing about a helmet you will never buy.
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    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    your still qqing that these items cost too much. if they cost too much dont buy em its that simple.
    The point is that these bases are not localized.


    Do us all a favor.


    Shut up, leave, and don't come back until you can provide an intelligent response.
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Stop QQing because you can't acknowledge that for 10k you get a buff equal in strength to a 100k+ buff that you will rarely use.

    Exactly, seeker buffs are pointless. My only reason to use them would be for Tiger Event, but still, even runecrafting is better.
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Exactly, seeker buffs are pointless. My only reason to use them would be for Tiger Event, but still, even runecrafting is better.

    you guys are making my point on why it shouldnt cost a mirage.
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    The point is that these bases are not localized.


    Do us all a favor.


    Shut up, leave, and don't come back until you can provide an intelligent response.

    i have yet to see you say anything intelligent since you have come to the forums so i figured i would stay on your intelligence level.
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    You get a buff for 10k that would cost 100k to get from runecrafting, shut up already. They should make it so it costs 10 mirages to use.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Localization = any changes made.

    Every patch should have a patch note. I'm fairly certain none of the staff except one or two technicians who maintain the server and client software actually see them. They're most likely H1B workers who don't speak English and can't translate. And hiring or finding a staff member to translate something as menial as patch notes for what, 5 or 6 games that they maintain would be expensive and pointless to them as a company. So whatever patch notes they do get from China stay in Chinese and the explanation given to us is "Minor Localization Changes" BS. And for those that haven't noticed, even when they did post patch notes, they were never complete as our 'patches' are a cumulative patches from their version and they often only posted the notes of one patch when a cumulative patch was applied here.

    Seriously, if you doubt me, try to think like a corporate executive who doesn't speak the language and manages the budget of a subsidiary on the other side of the world. They don't care.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i have yet to see you say anything intelligent since you have come to the forums so i figured i would stay on your intelligence level.

    the thread isnt about stupid seeker buffs, nobody cares, just you, so go make a thread about it, im pretty sure you already made 3 or 4, and double and triple post over there. Just because you can post twice in a row doesnt make your QQ anymore valid or relevant.
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    and i agree with rawrgh, localize the base prices please.
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  • fiercerage
    fiercerage Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeah and think about it 12k for a 30 minute buff that goes away. 960 mil for an item that is permanent. you will end up spending way more then 960mil on buffs in the long run.

    Troll. Esco, are you Yulk? That would be 48,000 hours of buffs...
  • Chadric - Heavens Tear
    Chadric - Heavens Tear Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I brought this up a long time ago and a GM said localization was simply translating ingame things from chinese (or fixing some of the translations).... idk....
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    This half done (hell, not even half done) expansion wouldn't be that much of an issue if it wasn't for the fact that from the moment it was announced several months in advance, to it's release, anytime you asked why _____ was taking so long or not working or not implemented (xmas event, valentines event) You got the answer of "we are incredibly busy in preperation for genesis"
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    This half done (hell, not even half done) expansion wouldn't be that much of an issue if it wasn't for the fact that from the moment it was announced several months in advance, to it's release, anytime you asked why _____ was taking so long or not working or not implemented (xmas event, valentines event) You got the answer of "we are incredibly busy in preperation for genesis"
    This is so true.

    had genesis not been so clearly unfinished, we probably wouldn't mind so much. If they hadn't tried to blame genesis for why they weren't fixing/working on things, we probably wouldn't mind so much. If they hadn't BS'd us about some of the contents (our new incomplete dungeons! YAY), we probably wouldn't mind so much.

    But they really just piled on the ****, talked the talk, and have nothing to show for it all.


    Also, I agree on the prices. We have plenty of gear that will give a similar or better performance boost for much cheaper than this. There's no point to anyone on PWI getting this stuff unless it's for their e-peen... and even then they could go +12 a full set of R9 and toss in full JoSD shards or something while spending less.
  • Alsiadorra - Sanctuary
    Alsiadorra - Sanctuary Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I like that the staff is so disconnected from the community. /sarcasm
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    you will end up spending way more then 960mil on buffs in the long run.

    you haven't actually worked out the math on that, i can tell.

    i don't like the mirage-costing squad buffs either, i think they're too expensive for what they give --- but i did some dividing, and there ain't no way i'll ever spend 960 mil on buffs in this game, not in ANY run. likely not even if EVERY squad buff cost a mirage. work out for yourself how long those buffs would have to be up, in days of nonstop gaming.
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