Farmer, veno or mystic?

_Tsunami_ - Lost City

Hi, as the title say i'm planning to make a farmer char, the target will be mobs (for DQs) and TT.

Now i have a veno lvl 77 whit glacial walker, basic gear, just weapon is updated (TT) and a tome +1%, to not feed the pets once the satisfaction it's full. I can do TT 1-1 solo mode whitout problems and probably the 1-1 squad mode in some lvls.

Now mystic are released and i don't know, can they be better? I have one lvl 33, it's not bad but the huge mp use (veno has the recover skills that make it almost a cost free char) and maybe the lower tank ability of the pet don't make it the best choice.

As pro: the pet attack faster, don't need to be feed, don't lose satisfaction when die, one single pet can swim and fly and don't need to be levelled (i HATE lvl the pet).

Look like the mystic can be better for DQ farming (kill faster), but i'm scared of the cost of the mp pots since that can kill the earning /h...

Anyone have tested a higher lvl mystic? Can anyone conferm it can be good even whitout a flood of pots?

Ty

Desdi - Sanctuary

I still think Venomancers are better farmers for this one and only reason: they have less mana cost than Mystics and can even recover their MP.

Yes, Mystics can kill faster but the MP pot cost will probably end up being too much and thus, you won't make much of a profit. While meditating will only cost you time (Venomancers don't really need to meditate).

This is just my opinion, however, so do wait for some information from higher levels.

Derressh - Dreamweaver

I 100% agree with Desdi. The thing that makes venos so beast at farming is because their skills cost so little MP, on top of the fact that they have skills to recover their mp, and swap their hp with their mp.

Level 10 pet heal for veno costs only 95 mp, while level 10 for mystics costs 275. Veno pets can spam skills without having to worry about MP cost, and they also have better defense than summons I believe.

Kyreah - Raging Tide

Veno, definitely. Mystics run out of mana way too fast to be very efficient at farming. Venos hardly ever run out of mana. Killing faster doesn't really help if you have to take a break every 5-10 mobs. b:surrender

Vixter - Harshlands

mana is a problem with mystics, but unlike venos, their pets dont really rely on the pet skills. if you want to kill at a decent rate on a veno, you may want to think about keep your pets skills (or at least 1 of its skills) up to date which i think is about 200k? per level up. so either way your spending your money on something.

while venos pets skills lvling up isnt necessary, it helps in kill speed. mystics pets skills lvl up with the lvl of the summon skill.

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

leveling a veno pet skill up one level is 200k coin plus some spirit, but you only get a chance to do it every 20 levels. if you're using the veno as purely a farmer you're probably not leveling it very often, so the pet skill levels would be part of the one-time startup cost of the character.

i haven't tried a mystic yet, but i'd also vote veno because of the neverending mana skills. the way a veno can grind forever is a huge bonus to farming, i think a mystic would have to spend too much on mana pots to profitably keep up with that.

(well, they'd likely be profitable, still, i don't mean the mystic would farm at a loss. just not as profitable as the veno, hour for hour of gameplay. still, sooner or later somebody'll be bored enough to find out by experience --- might even do it myself.)

maestro120

Vixter - Harshlands wrote: »

mana is a problem with mystics, but unlike venos, their pets dont really rely on the pet skills. if you want to kill at a decent rate on a veno, you may want to think about keep your pets skills (or at least 1 of its skills) up to date which i think is about 200k? per level up. so either way your spending your money on something.

while venos pets skills lvling up isnt necessary, it helps in kill speed. mystics pets skills lvl up with the lvl of the summon skill.

True but venos can only upgrade their pet's skills once every 20 (pet) levels so its not like they have to be forking over 200K every other level to keep their pets up to date or something. Thus in essence the 200K per 20 levels is pocket change compared to the coin a mystic will have to spend on MP food/charms while farming during those same 20 levels.

Venos may be a bit outdated in other ways but they really still are the ruling farming class.

Soeren - Harshlands

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I still think Venomancers are better farmers for this one and only reason: they have less mana cost than Mystics and can even recover their MP.

Yes, Mystics can kill faster but the MP pot cost will probably end up being too much and thus, you won't make much of a profit. While meditating will only cost you time (Venomancers don't really need to meditate).

This is just my opinion, however, so do wait for some information from higher levels.

Excuse me, but i have a mystic and it has the lvl 79 skill; Clear Thoughts wich recovers current mp plus 2k (i have 8k mp so the best moment to use it when you have around 3k mp cuz it will recover 5k wich makes it full again) if you think venomancers are better bcuz of the mp than youre wrong, they might be better but with an other reason wich i don't know.
b:chuckle
b:victoryi also want to know if mystics can aoe grind. ty

Yogaxpto - Dreamweaver

At lvl 73, i can solo everything with my mystic in tt1-1 using only one pot at lord of percussion.

Does that help you?

obliviondemon

like desdi said mystic can kill faster but the mp cost is pain and you cant tank every thing with your summon you will need to tank with yourself and spam salvation and heals , thats how a mystic solo in high lvls

but venos depends more in their pets thats why thay are cheaper and better at farming

Retsuko - Heavens Tear

I have a 101 veno and 101 mystic.

Yesterday my mystic was able to do both fats + ninetails solo in about 45 minutes. Fats is in brimstone and ninetails is in eden (fb89 instances), so did both instances within 45 minutes basically. I had like no charm ticks. Do this with a veno in the same amount of time, you'll be blistered with constant charm ticks because you'll be the tank if you try to finish it in that timeframe.

MP costs are a lot more on mystic, but at end game it truly doesn't matter much because the lvl 75 herbs are cheap.

as for TT, solo mode TT is incredibly easy and i do it with my mystic within 10 minutes. Any class can solo it, my 101 sin can solo within 5 minutes. It's the TT squad mode that's interesting to farm and where bosses are a lot more tougher. This is also where a veno with herc can solo farm TT instances. But there are still a lot of bosses a veno can't farm. Especially at lower level, and don't even try to do certain bosses without a herc.

Mystics are not like veno's and vice versa. A mystic is not meant to solo with really, we got debuff plants and support skills in which we can support other squad members. It's wonderful that a veno can tank with a pet, and i used to farm TT's myself that way. But soloing with a herc is also incredibly slow now compared to squadding up with other classes and doesn't quite profit you as much as squadding up with others.

Venos may be a bit outdated in other ways but they really still are the ruling farming class.

They are definitely not the ruling farming class anymore. If you truly want to effectively farm at "endgame", which means level 100+, try an assassin. And by effectively i mean killing bosses fast, either solo or with a squad.

Everything i said is based on "endgame" (100+), since that's where it matters.

VoItaire - Harshlands

lol I have to disagree with Desdi in one point, but agree with her in another. The mana isn't really a big deal after 75... Herb Yuanxiao are dirty dirty cheap, and don't really cut into profit that much.

I do however think veno is better for farming because with herc they can solo more bosses. Mystics pets tend to be squishier than veno pets. But I think mystic is better farmer for anything it can handle since it's faster, and if anything goes wrong like you die on a trap or something, you have your own res buff as a time saver ^^ not to mention pets do more dmg and you also have plant summons to contribute as well. And you can heal yourself much more often on bosses that aoe.

Time is money, sure mystics use more mana, but they also get the job done faster which is time that can be used for more farming, and as a result, earn more profit.

But as for farming overall I agree with Retsuko, if you plan to do any heavy end game farming, stick to your sin.

ArchAngeLi - Harshlands

why would anyone level a Mystic?

MissTriss - Harshlands

Farmer? >_> Sin Ijs

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

_Tsunami_ - Lost City wrote: »

Hi, as the title say i'm planning to make a farmer char, the target will be mobs (for DQs) and TT.

Now i have a veno lvl 77 whit glacial walker, basic gear, just weapon is updated (TT) and a tome +1%, to not feed the pets once the satisfaction it's full. I can do TT 1-1 solo mode whitout problems and probably the 1-1 squad mode in some lvls.

Now mystic are released and i don't know, can they be better? I have one lvl 33, it's not bad but the huge mp use (veno has the recover skills that make it almost a cost free char) and maybe the lower tank ability of the pet don't make it the best choice.

As pro: the pet attack faster, don't need to be feed, don't lose satisfaction when die, one single pet can swim and fly and don't need to be levelled (i HATE lvl the pet).

Look like the mystic can be better for DQ farming (kill faster), but i'm scared of the cost of the mp pots since that can kill the earning /h...

Anyone have tested a higher lvl mystic? Can anyone conferm it can be good even whitout a flood of pots?

Ty

Mystics, like veno's, are bad DQ farmers, although veno's cost less to maintain as far as MP is concerned. Take a ranged AOE class like archers or psychics or wizards, go to one of the chrono maps (except MD), AOE the **** out of things. Now you have a DQ farmer.

Mystics have a nice mp skill, but it doesn't take away from the fact that your MP will be drained constantly, especially if you're solo healing a low 80s FF squad and need to constantly transfer to Salvation for her buff on the tank for Fragrance.

If you want to save MP, pick veno or archer. At very least, both of these are easy to get to endgame. Archer can easily get r8, 5 aps, veno can easily attain all rare pet skills, go LA, APS, share some gear with archer, amp, and do a variety of good things without an insane cost.

I would only recommend using DQ for farming until you find something more profitable in a short span. Sins are quite profitable soloing FF and FB99's, or if geared well enough, WG trophy mode.

Take from the advice what you will, just choose whichever you find most fun.

Mayatheia - Heavens Tear

Who said mystics are bad DQ farmers?O.o Yes venos arent that great but mystics... wow... u never seen one in VoS? Gale force+ mistress aoe = mobs dead.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Mayatheia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Who said mystics are bad DQ farmers?O.o Yes venos arent that great but mystics... wow... u never seen one in VoS? Gale force+ mistress aoe = mobs dead.

Well no, I usually see archers in VOS. And bad compared to other classes, not bad as in they can't do it. And for people who don't have over +10 R8 weapons already, if that GF+SM hush combo doesn't kill them (given how strong SM is too on [?] mobs, it should), it becomes quite an annoyance, as the seal and run effect on mobs is way amplified over veno's nova.

Burnout - Harshlands

For Valley of scarred I just gather the entire map and summon cragg and it one-shots the entire wave. Insanely easy DQ farming, and I don't even have to drop from my aerogear.

Crescendia - Harshlands

having both veno and mystic, gonna have to go with veno if ur 100+

Fast narnia squads like to take someone who can amp the boss, mystic has nothing to benefit fast squads there really. And we all know for massive farming capabilities nirvana is one of the best ways to earn money.

I was curious about what Mayathia/Burnout said about 3rd past farming with a mystic+cragglord. It motivated me to start my wraiths ploy xD

Doctorneo - Archosaur

Mystics are epic DQ farmers. I've solo zhenned a lot before I could do FC. Got tons of oblivion soup in fairly short amounts of time. Also, single mode TT is easy mode for mystics as long as you are doing it at or below your level. 2-3 still gives me troubles but 3-1 single mode is easy enough. Also worth noting is that mystic summons do not do reduced damage to ? level things. This is a blessing and a curse. It means I can do single mode TT in like 7-15 min, but storm mistress can steal aggro fairly easily as well. It can be annoying and costly to have to resummon. However, tanking squad mode TT isn't a practical option til I'd say at least level 100 with very good gear.

Neyda - Raging Tide

Soeren - Harshlands wrote: »

Excuse me, but i have a mystic and it has the lvl 79 skill; Clear Thoughts wich recovers current mp plus 2k (i have 8k mp so the best moment to use it when you have around 3k mp cuz it will recover 5k wich makes it full again) if you think venomancers are better bcuz of the mp than youre wrong, they might be better but with an other reason wich i don't know.
b:chuckle
b:victoryi also want to know if mystics can aoe grind. ty

when I have 0 Mana

I do this:
Natures Grace >> Soul Transfusion >> Metabolic Boost

And in the end I have 100% Mana and 100% HP again

DraknessDuir - Sanctuary

No one mentioned bramble grinding. A herc comes with bramble but I've seen most venos still fight mobs one at a time. So maybe our aoe isn't great and I certainly wouldnt try aoe grinding on my veno but I can grab between 8 and 10 physical mobs 10+ levels above me (obviously before I was 101) with the herc and pick them off one by one while they also kill themselves on herc's bramble. For dq farming my veno did better than my mystic. For instance farming I'm working on a sin to try soloing them but the cleric is IMO the best if you are ok with squad farming instances and can take the occasional abuse because most squads want a cleric b:pleased .(yes I've seen the latest trend of clericless vanas but they aren't the majority yet)

rainbowyoshii

Mystics, like veno's, are bad DQ farmers, although veno's cost less to maintain as far as MP is concerned. Take a ranged AOE class like archers or psychics or wizards, go to one of the chrono maps (except MD), AOE the **** out of things. Now you have a DQ farmer.

you say that as if mystics cant aoe.......

gale force

thicket

mistress

cragglord

genies

etc

mryc

Also Necro b:chuckle

Kaitica - Heavens Tear

rainbowyoshii wrote: »

you say that as if mystics cant aoe.......

gale force

thicket

mistress

cragglord

genies

etc

I cant believe you went to genies before using lysing + plants b:chuckle

fadhlimufti07

Well, I still believe Mystic can be a great help to anything. Soloing TT with mystic can be really fast too coz tank with Devil chihyu and open spiderwine plant to reduce mobs atk damge/magic atk.b:pleased I think so haha xD

Anyway same with veno but I do hope in the future, mystic can have more pets and those pets can have new skills n increase attribute

maybe mystic need more aoe skills that less for sealing effect LOLb:shutup

VoItaire - Harshlands

You can spam lyse sting for an aoe that does pretty nice dmg on the mobs in RB especially. We don't really need more aoes

Kaitica - Heavens Tear

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

You can spam lyse sting for an aoe that does pretty nice dmg on the mobs in RB especially. We don't really need more aoes

Which people leave lyse at lvl 1 because they nubs.

Cooldown is lowered per level.

TwentyTwoTwo - Raging Tide

id say mystic is better farmer only imo though, i never leveled a veno past 3x. reason i say mystic is simply they are a bitttch to kill, pve forgetabout it, i cant remember the last time i died to pve even in a warsong with some sacrifical assult mobbys. but i dont farm on any class ive done too much of it on my sin and it bores me. TW is where its at and is the only think left to this game.

but if your gonna farm aoe style, id go in like this falling petals > creeper > lyse (level10!) > mistress aoe at same time as thicket > then a gale force. if mobs are still alive and overwhemling you . > cloud eruption > cragglord nuke. everything should be dead already. orrr

creeper > lyse (lvl10!) > cragg-use each aoe once (1st aoe is frontal cone, postion carefully) > after 2nd aoe use gale force.

by the way im extremly bored in this game, i know basically everything there is to know about mystics, so if you have questions/inquires pm me in game, i wouldnt mind helping. just dont be asking me to do your BH29,39 etc's.. good day folks b:bye

chaoticshelly

Closed for necro.