FC Level requirement

Larkray - Dreamweaver

Much like the title states, a level requirement is needed for even entering Frostcovered City. It just disgusts me when i see a level 11 cleric asking to be taken on a FC run because its too hard to level. They don't learn their class, and runs with those characters later suffer from failing players.

My suggestion is to put a level requirement to enter FC, nothing too bad like level 70 or 75 when you first get the FC quests. Also would like to see a level requirement on hypers, for the reasons stated above. Damn failtoons and lazy players go away b:angry

Edit: Contrary to popular belief, 100 is quite easily attainable in a decent amount of time without hypers and FC spamming, as my level shows :P

Jellytoast - Sanctuary

Yeah, I do think there should be a requisite level to enter FCC as well. If there were a requisite level for hypers people would get too pissy. I like hypers on my 60 wizard, cause I go out and kill air mobs hypered, then dump my exp into my genie and use the spirit for skills.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

you saw that thread about the 8x veno dying in the first 2 mobs in 59, didnt youb:chuckle

grimreaperhc

Level 104 requirement please! b:avoid
ps: nomz Thanos >:D

Healladiin - Harshlands

that's a little too strict, make the lvl req 75 or 80 plz. AND FOR GOD'S SAKE PLEASE DON'T NERF THE EXP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GrimReaperHC wrote: »

Level 104 requirement please! b:avoid
ps: nomz Thanos >:D

Dimitrik - Dreamweaver

I'm all for this. I don't really care how high the level restriction is, so long as it prevents what are effectively "kids" on the game jumping to "badass". Level 11's, 20's, and even 50's have no business doing it.

Yeah, I'm slightly hypocritical. My friends thought they'd show me the dungeon because I'd never been. And if we're being honest, I'm a slow leveler. I like to take my time. And yes, the dungeon is done really well - impressively, at that. However, the opportunity for abuse (as it has been so flagrantly in recent times) is way too huge to justify its current state.

Time should be spent with characters. People should really learn their skills and understand how to effectively use them. Otherwise, you get level 8* venos dying at the very beginning of Disaster. And for those of you out there that are experienced players, you ought to know of alternative ways/places to use your hypers.

Being a high level used to be something to be proud of. Now, it's easier just to assume the higher level people you run into are just FC junkies.

Outlaw_Arch - Heavens Tear

yeah been running into people who don't know what the hell they doing. lol seen a cleric that thought IH was the most worthless healing spell in the gamexD

i'll be honest. i powerlevel on any new character i make. but i always stop at points to get a feel for the new skills and take a look at the guides in the forums. alot of people don't do this however, and many times they let the fact that they are high level get to their heads, resulting in missed chance of getting molds (kill boss too close to a wall is very bad>_<) and squad wipes.

however making a level requirement for hyper would tick people off to no end, myself included honestly lol. i would never as people to let me tag along in FC at retardedly low levels just out of principal. a low level like that would be a pain in the #$@ to escort around i would imagine, i really hate inconveniencing people.

Maisha - Dreamweaver

Larkray - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Much like the title states, a level requirement is needed for even entering Frostcovered City. It just disgusts me when i see a level 11 cleric asking to be taken on a FC run because its too hard to level. They don't learn their class, and runs with those characters later suffer from failing players.

My suggestion is to put a level requirement to enter FC, nothing too bad like level 70 or 75 when you first get the FC quests. Also would like to see a level requirement on hypers, for the reasons stated above. Damn failtoons and lazy players go away

This takes me way back when I joined some faction a year ago. I remembered the lower level groups always asking for help, literally asking me to do their quests and I remembered it being an issue with the faction that the faction leader made it a requirement for everyone to do their own quest unless it was a quest to kill a boss (like mantaVIP).

I do agree that we all need to go through the phase to learn how to play the chosen class well, but simply adding a level requirement for FC only wouldn't solve all the other problems like I've just shared, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't mind helping, regardless if it is spoiling the lower levels.

However, a suggestion to your advice would be to add a level-range requirement for exp gains upon monster kills in instances/dungeons regardless if one is using hyper or scrolls, etc. so that if a level 10 joins a squad in FC, or FB89, they gain 0 exp because monsters are 70+ levels beyond the said requirement. With that idea though, would kill the alt FC runs that people may want to do.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you saw that thread about the 8x veno dying in the first 2 mobs in 59, didnt youb:chuckle

LOL Thanos b:chuckle

But yeah, if they were to do it why not set it to whichever level it is you first get quests in there.

Larkray - Dreamweaver

Wow.... All agreement responses and not one hyper baby flame

Maisha - Dreamweaver wrote: »

However, a suggestion to your advice would be to add a level-range requirement for exp gains upon monster kills in instances/dungeons regardless if one is using hyper or scrolls, etc. so that if a level 10 joins a squad in FC, or FB89, they gain 0 exp because monsters are 70+ levels beyond the said requirement. With that idea though, would kill the alt FC runs that people may want to do.

The alt fc's are part of the problem that i was talking about too... When a level 1 can go in and come out at level 40? Think there might be a small problem there...

Yukkuri - Heavens Tear

This, I approve of. There have been far too many idiots around lately. Also, good for pointing out the alt frost runs. It sickens me when I see someone ask to take his/her nooblet alt on a run for fast leveling.

Ogath - Heavens Tear

i have to say that i am a hyper noob

but contary to popular beliefe not all hyper noobs level up extremely faster than others.

ive had my psy for like 4 or 5 months

im still level 41 after going threw like 35 hypers.

so no i dont personaly believe a level requirement should be used on hypers, frost covered city i would say that a level requirment wouldnt hurt but i dont know enough about it to offer a good opinionb:surrender

Maisha - Dreamweaver

Larkray - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The alt fc's are part of the problem that i was talking about too... When a level 1 can go in and come out at level 40? Think there might be a small problem there...

Honestly, before I stopped playing PW (a couple months back), there was no such thing as alt FCs or probably I don't read world chat unless I'm selling/buying something. I still have no idea what they are but the hint in my point of view was to hasten the leveling process of your "alt" character through FC runs now that it can be done with a few level 100s.


All in all, I still do believe the imaginary "end game content" was poorly built through this MMO; we need more variety of instances/daily/weekly events or more variety of armor sets to collect to keep high levels busy and have a lot more fun. At this point, all I see is new races/classes with very few end game content being developed, that it almost makes no sense to keep a high level character besides pvp purposes or to help alts.

Getter_Robo - Dreamweaver

Yeah, I get annoyed when seeing a level 100 toon not knowing how to control their toon. It's puts everyone elses questing/bh's/and even FC's at risk when that person simply Doesn't know what skill does what.

What has been getting to me is seeing people in squads with me wearing level 70 gear and they are at level 100. Sadly to say, Some of it is drop gear -.- WHAT!? Really now? You are going to go in Warsong with that low level gear and put everyone else at risk? How about this, less leveling and more TTing to get your gear. You are no good to anyone if you can't DD or take a hit. And think of this. You are a lvl 95 wearing your 60 and 70 gear. You go in a TW, then get killed by someone that is in their 70's. Now sit there and think about that for a moment.

Sorry if i sound rude, but I'm Just trying to point out that if you are one of these people, Take other into consideration before ruining a run.

DemonZ_Fury - Dreamweaver

Larkray - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Much like the title states, a level requirement is needed for even entering Frostcovered City. It just disgusts me when i see a level 11 cleric asking to be taken on a FC run because its too hard to level. They don't learn their class, and runs with those characters later suffer from failing players.

My suggestion is to put a level requirement to enter FC, nothing too bad like level 70 or 75 when you first get the FC quests. Also would like to see a level requirement on hypers, for the reasons stated above. Damn failtoons and lazy players go away b:angry

Edit: Contrary to popular belief, 100 is quite easily attainable in a decent amount of time without hypers and FC spamming, as my level shows :P

It didn't help much for a certain HA veno... hmmm

Anyway I say let people do it to it. Some have earned their stripes and have no desire to spend days and months questing to achieve what they've already done 3-4-5 or even 6 times

XGenkishi - Dreamweaver

DemonZ_Fury - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It didn't help much for a certain HA veno... hmmm

Anyway I say let people do it to it. Some have earned their stripes and have no desire to spend days and months questing to achieve what they've already done 3-4-5 or even 6 times

agreed lol

Ivy_ - Dreamweaver

DemonZ_Fury - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It didn't help much for a certain HA veno... hmmm

Anyway I say let people do it to it. Some have earned their stripes and have no desire to spend days and months questing to achieve what they've already done 3-4-5 or even 6 times

I've played 4 characters to 50+ without the help of this alt fc thing. Hell, I leveled 3 with very little fcing (I like fish, what can I say?). I really don't wanna have to go through all that again with a 5th. At least, in my case (and with many others), I will spend some time outside of fc poking mobs and playing around with skills and the like to get the feel of it. When it comes to TT's and stuff, I'll even go on the alt rather than on the 101 chars so that I can experience it in those eyes, if that makes sense.

Clumping all those who alt fc together is unfair to those who are willing to learn about their class, but don't want to go through the whole quest line all over again. There are some "legit levelers" who have less hp than I do at level 100...as a BM. And I use the "legit levelers" term loosely, because well...they did put oracles in the boutique, and technically, oracles are quests...(btw, I hated that the new oracles from the stash aren't tradeable)

With that being said...a level 10 anything shouldn't be in an fc. You level out of the teens fast enough without hypers (managed to get my mystic to 25 without doing fc in two days). But the slower levels, like 25-ish-bh range is painful (stupid *** 29 cultivation).

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

The irony is, ff DOES have a level requirement. When there is a low level in squad, the quest to open FF will automatically fail.

Solution? Kick low level, open FF, reinvite...

In any case, you have my vote on ''fixing'' this level requirement.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

I say keep it as is, I rather enjoy not having to go through every single quest all over again, I learn to play my classes before ever running them through alt FCs. Learned a BM... ran it through alt FCs.. hit 100 in a month or so... then pk'd you multiple times That wouldn't have been possible without alt FCs

Larkray - Dreamweaver

Main aspect is because of how many level 100 failtoons there have been. Not everyone knows how to pre plan and read skill descriptions. I've had great squads in BH then I've had a BM ask what GS was in Nirvana (He didn't even KNOW he had a polearm skill path) And to respond to two other posts, zan, you've never killed me. exlaxan, i've never had a single cross word for you yet you still act the same way to me. would appreciate your snide and childish comments to remain out of posts like these. And as far as not doing every quest again, Bounty Hunt, Cube, *Gasp* ZHEN SQUADS!!!!! Running an alternate character through FC is NOT the only way to quickly level an alternate toon. but those other suggestions allow you to actually focus on said toon aside from shooting an arrow at an easily killable target.

Feone - Dreamweaver

Imo its fine like this, i went trough the long process of leveling my main even before BH's etc existed and i like that i can use it to lvl new alts quickly.

There will always be a ton of people that don't know a thing about their toons, many just play casual and really dont care about how well they play, FC or not.

Stabbistabbi - Dreamweaver

what I say the devs do, is this:

add to the exp tables of the server to include a minimum level to gain experience. in the case of fc, 75, since that's when you start to get quests there.

yes you can still invite your lvl 1 failtoon to the fc, but it won't get any exp at all.

Maisha - Dreamweaver

Feone - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There will always be a ton of people that don't know a thing about their toons, many just play casual and really dont care about how well they play, FC or not.

The purpose of this post was to have everyone learn how to play their chosen class well rather than starting to play a toon at cap level or however high it is to be, and I assume it's targeted towards the newbie crowd who just started playing PWI. Larkay's suggestion is a good one and it should apply to everyone regardless. Not everyone is a smart gamer, and can understand game mechanics or how the class works with a snap of a finger. While those who just want to have fun is totally fine, but you have to be aware of the fact that there are many serious gamers out there, too. To squad with someone who don't know how to play their class well, will aggravate that one person(s). Honestly though, who would want to admit before the start of an instance, "oh this is my first time playing this class as a lvl _ _ _ tank, healer, dps, or class, whatever...and please excuse me if I ask questions about some spells/techniques."? Some of you may be great gamers and understand all the mechanics in one day, but there are newbies out there who doesn't know anything yet!

As for those who are tired of questing, that is no excuse either way. Regardless if it's boring to request or not, it is part of the leveling process as PW wants you to level and as Larkay had stated, BH, CS, cube and zhen squads are already helpful and by the time you get to lvl 40, which should be quick if you're aware of how the quest routines are, there's no need to worry about leveling through quests.

I don't support leveling through FC or TT/HH because it's looking like how those cheat games work (you all know what I'm talking about here!). Sorry but that is me. I prefer to level through quests regardless how many times I have to redo them and this is why, I agree with the suggestion. b:bye

Getter_Robo - Dreamweaver

Maisha - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The purpose of this post was to have everyone learn how to play their chosen class well rather than starting to play a toon at cap level or however high it is to be, and I assume it's targeted towards the newbie crowd who just started playing PWI. Larkay's suggestion is a good one and it should apply to everyone regardless. Not everyone is a smart gamer, and can understand game mechanics or how the class works with a snap of a finger. While those who just want to have fun is totally fine, but you have to be aware of the fact that there are many serious gamers out there, too. To squad with someone who don't know how to play their class well, will aggravate that one person(s). Honestly though, who would want to admit before the start of an instance, "oh this is my first time playing this class as a lvl _ _ _ tank, healer, dps, or class, whatever...and please excuse me if I ask questions about some spells/techniques."? Some of you may be great gamers and understand all the mechanics in one day, but there are newbies out there who doesn't know anything yet!

As for those who are tired of questing, that is no excuse either way. Regardless if it's boring to request or not, it is part of the leveling process as PW wants you to level and as Larkay had stated, BH, CS, cube and zhen squads are already helpful and by the time you get to lvl 40, which should be quick if you're aware of how the quest routines are, there's no need to worry about leveling through quests.

I don't support leveling through FC or TT/HH because it's looking like how those cheat games work (you all know what I'm talking about here!). Sorry but that is me. I prefer to level through quests regardless how many times I have to redo them and this is why, I agree with the suggestion. b:bye

Pawn!!!!!!

ttyork

Try doing a bh 59 with a level 74 sin who wants to know why they can't use a sword. That's the type of people these power-levelers turn into and all thanks to the greedy idiots who take coins to help them not learn how to play.

DemonZ_Fury - Dreamweaver

The point is.. there are a large number of people whom have already been there done that, bought the t-shirt. They don't want to run through the entire quest chain all over again. They have the knowledge of the game already to learn their toons properly and have spent the time already earning their stripes in this game.

I already had a lvl 80 veno before BH or Genies even existed in the game. Already a lvl 100 cleric, 101 archer, 95 barb. Originally in the top 50 on the server. I'm not the only one and there are a large number of people that are the same way. We've spent our time, paid our dues and have the right to drag a toon through FC at whatever level. Personally though... i'm grinding my seeker up for the mere point that I'm trying to find enjoyment in the game again, but... if I so chose to bring my alt into an FC... eh.. who cares?

It's not going to change the fact that there are so many nub 100's out there. Everyone wants something for nothing... levels, gear, etc... The whole generation fo new players just doesn't seem to care to actually learn and know wth they are doing. it's their choice... but from my angle.. i simply try to educate those that I do run across and work with. It's all you can do.

Stabbistabbi - Dreamweaver

the reason why there are so many nub 100's out there, and that's because those that "been there done that and bought the t-shirt" ran their alt through fc's. Some of these guys heard about it, and got their toons to uber high levels. Now these nublets are advertising and requesting alt fc's all the time.

and personally you will get no sympathy from me about how you don't want to read the same quests over and over again. power leveling your toon is not learning your toon, no matter how similar it is to your main.

Maisha - Dreamweaver

DemonZ_Fury - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's not going to change the fact that there are so many nub 100's out there. Everyone wants something for nothing... levels, gear, etc... The whole generation fo new players just doesn't seem to care to actually learn and know wth they are doing.

That is totally bias to me right there. I actually do know some people who rather prefer to level by doing quests and what is available for them at their current level. When you say, "The whole generation of new players just doesn't seem to care to learn", you're stating "every one newbie" and that's not always true in this case. I would consider rephrasing this. (not being a smart *** nor do I intend to!)

Remember back in the days, you need a level 85+ to open FC, and that doing a 3man FC run was impossible? PW decided to give us leverage and because of all these changes PW had catered to us such as: *cough* 5aps *cough* they were the ones to blame for players going beyond their game mechanism, and this is WHY, this suggestion came to play, because when you have one too many "newbie" level 100s who don't know what the heck their role is supposed to do during runs, it changes the appearance of "experience" in Perfect World International altogether.

But let me ask you a question there... How is PWI different from those cheat games if you do plan to skip 90 levels of quests (minus culti)? I've played both sides and the reason I remained on PWI was because of those quests, especially when you're on a PVE server! If your answer is to PK, or want to play different class without doing quests, want to get to end level asap, etc., might as well go play cheat game because PWI wasn't built for those purposes.